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You made an interesting point for Berggruen's life style, would you like and consider develloping a "private life " section and devellop around "homeless billionaire" "Party Boy" and "Inheritance" .. topics available in almost every article on Berggruen. -- 86.173.211.194 ( talk) 04:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- Let's continue to talk about it on Talk:Nicolas Berggruen. Fnordware ( talk) 22:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
links to justify inheritance (berggruens father heinz was the worlds greatest art collector and left behing a fortune of about 2 Billion $)
http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/01/0502hot.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/arts/design/27berggruen.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article1454558.ece
link to justify socialite and jet setter or partygoer , st tropez etc..... http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eVd0KYm5QhIJ:www.welt.de/die-welt/wirtschaft/article7771547/Nicolas-Berggruen-Milliardaer-ohne-Zuhause.html+berggruen+jet+setter&cd=5&hl=fr&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com
link to justify that he is a Party Boy http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-LzpfJezZ7YJ:www.uncoverage.net/tag/nicolas-berggruen/+berggruen+party+goer&cd=7&hl=fr&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.211.194 ( talk) 22:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Why are you spamming me with these links on my personal talk page? I can see them just fine on
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- okay sorry just wanted to bring this to your attention re the disscussion,.... i dont have an account with wiipedia , and the page is blocked suggest that you ad a personal life section to the article and devellop around the themes we disscussed re your points and suggestions.... best.....-- 86.173.211.194 ( talk) 07:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Revert at Gloria Allred
Hi Fnordware. You recently reverted the removal of some text on this article with this diff] (using Twinkle). I have explained to User:Truth2Be why their edit was wrong (especially in the light of the sources you subsequently added), but I'd also like to ask you to avoid labelling edits like this as vandalism - this was a good-faith edit attempting to remove an unsourced (at the time) and pretty contraversial statement. New users have enough on their plate trying to understand Wikipedia without being tarred with the vandalism brush! Cheers, Yunshui 雲 水 14:07, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Yunshui, I have to disagree in your assessment that he was making good-faith edits. He was, in fact, creating an edit war. My revert was the third revert of that article in a 24 hour period. He was doing the same thing to the main article on Roger McDowell. It was especially clear with the McDowell article where the material he was deleting because it was "false" was well-cited (the Allred article was missing a citation, so I added one). The account seems to have been created expressly for the purpose of deleting information about this incident as he has made no other edits. When you see the whole picture, it's clear to me that this is vandalism. On the other hand, it is interesting that he is actually communicating with you! Fnordware ( talk) 16:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove relevant, sourced material from articles without providing a valid rationale in an edit summary, and/or discussing them on the article's talk page, as you did with this edit to Touré. Removing entire swaths of relevant, sourced material from both the Early life section and Career section is not a "reboot", and calling it this in an edit summary is deceptive. Controversial edits like yours should indeed be discussed on the talk page, yet you began no discussion about this edit on the talk page. Nightscream ( talk) 18:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Nightscream, on the contrary, I posted that edit on the talk page in full two weeks ago. Did you not see it? Since there was no opposition to it after a couple weeks, I went ahead with it. I think your changes were WP:NPOV violations, but would be happy to discuss on the talk page. If there is consensus that they should be be in there, then we'll put them back. Fnordware ( talk) 18:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I'd like to apologize to Fnordware for incorrectly stating that you did not start a discussion prior to removing the content in your recent edits. I looked on the talk page for something recent explaining the rationale for removing the content you removed, and didn't find it. I should've looked more closely at the top of the talk page. Regarding the rationale for your edits, I've addressed that on the talk page. Nightscream ( talk) 01:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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- What conflict do I have? Do you think I have an affiliation with any of those people? The articles you mention are all somewhat intertwined, which is how I stumbled onto them in turn. But the edits I made were all to improve the articles and get them to better adhere to Wikipedia guidelines. Fnordware ( talk) 04:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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- The two issues are not related. Any talk of blocking you is for edit warring and other bad editor behavior. I'm just pointing things out to NeilN in case he feels the need to go that way, which he won't if you stop the bad behavior. Whatever I may think of the material you've added to articles, I don't think you should be blocked for it. Anyway, I'm not planning to do any more Chuck Philips edits for a little while. Fnordware ( talk) 20:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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That was clearly just a rant and a pretty unpleasant one at that. There were no specific suggestions other than the implicit one to delete most of the article. It should not have been unhatted and I've hatted it again. It's still there for anyone to read. Even the section heading was against our talk page guidelines. You didn't make any specific suggestions yourself I notice.
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You made an interesting point for Berggruen's life style, would you like and consider develloping a "private life " section and devellop around "homeless billionaire" "Party Boy" and "Inheritance" .. topics available in almost every article on Berggruen. -- 86.173.211.194 ( talk) 04:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- Let's continue to talk about it on Talk:Nicolas Berggruen. Fnordware ( talk) 22:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
links to justify inheritance (berggruens father heinz was the worlds greatest art collector and left behing a fortune of about 2 Billion $)
http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/01/0502hot.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/arts/design/27berggruen.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article1454558.ece
link to justify socialite and jet setter or partygoer , st tropez etc..... http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eVd0KYm5QhIJ:www.welt.de/die-welt/wirtschaft/article7771547/Nicolas-Berggruen-Milliardaer-ohne-Zuhause.html+berggruen+jet+setter&cd=5&hl=fr&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com
link to justify that he is a Party Boy http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-LzpfJezZ7YJ:www.uncoverage.net/tag/nicolas-berggruen/+berggruen+party+goer&cd=7&hl=fr&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.211.194 ( talk) 22:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Why are you spamming me with these links on my personal talk page? I can see them just fine on
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- okay sorry just wanted to bring this to your attention re the disscussion,.... i dont have an account with wiipedia , and the page is blocked suggest that you ad a personal life section to the article and devellop around the themes we disscussed re your points and suggestions.... best.....-- 86.173.211.194 ( talk) 07:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Revert at Gloria Allred
Hi Fnordware. You recently reverted the removal of some text on this article with this diff] (using Twinkle). I have explained to User:Truth2Be why their edit was wrong (especially in the light of the sources you subsequently added), but I'd also like to ask you to avoid labelling edits like this as vandalism - this was a good-faith edit attempting to remove an unsourced (at the time) and pretty contraversial statement. New users have enough on their plate trying to understand Wikipedia without being tarred with the vandalism brush! Cheers, Yunshui 雲 水 14:07, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Yunshui, I have to disagree in your assessment that he was making good-faith edits. He was, in fact, creating an edit war. My revert was the third revert of that article in a 24 hour period. He was doing the same thing to the main article on Roger McDowell. It was especially clear with the McDowell article where the material he was deleting because it was "false" was well-cited (the Allred article was missing a citation, so I added one). The account seems to have been created expressly for the purpose of deleting information about this incident as he has made no other edits. When you see the whole picture, it's clear to me that this is vandalism. On the other hand, it is interesting that he is actually communicating with you! Fnordware ( talk) 16:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove relevant, sourced material from articles without providing a valid rationale in an edit summary, and/or discussing them on the article's talk page, as you did with this edit to Touré. Removing entire swaths of relevant, sourced material from both the Early life section and Career section is not a "reboot", and calling it this in an edit summary is deceptive. Controversial edits like yours should indeed be discussed on the talk page, yet you began no discussion about this edit on the talk page. Nightscream ( talk) 18:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Nightscream, on the contrary, I posted that edit on the talk page in full two weeks ago. Did you not see it? Since there was no opposition to it after a couple weeks, I went ahead with it. I think your changes were WP:NPOV violations, but would be happy to discuss on the talk page. If there is consensus that they should be be in there, then we'll put them back. Fnordware ( talk) 18:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I'd like to apologize to Fnordware for incorrectly stating that you did not start a discussion prior to removing the content in your recent edits. I looked on the talk page for something recent explaining the rationale for removing the content you removed, and didn't find it. I should've looked more closely at the top of the talk page. Regarding the rationale for your edits, I've addressed that on the talk page. Nightscream ( talk) 01:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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22:42, 25 February 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+125) . . Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences (→Crime: Death of Alesia Thomas)
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20:17, 25 February 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,018) . . Talk:Chuck Philips (→Multiple issues: new section) (current)
20:07, 25 February 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+127) . . Chuck Philips (Flag the article for multiple issues. Discuss on the talk page.) (current)
19:54, 25 February 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+345) . . Talk:Benjamin Crump (→Alesia Thomas: new section) (current)
19:52, 25 February 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,404) . . Benjamin Crump (→Career: Career section clean-up) (current)
19:12, 25 February 2014 (diff | hist) . . (-871) . . Shooting of Trayvon Martin (→Martin family attorneys: Benjamin Crump link, deleted info about unrelated case) (curr
- What conflict do I have? Do you think I have an affiliation with any of those people? The articles you mention are all somewhat intertwined, which is how I stumbled onto them in turn. But the edits I made were all to improve the articles and get them to better adhere to Wikipedia guidelines. Fnordware ( talk) 04:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- I noticed that you, Neil, and Red, Al and Red are currently discussing me on another page, discussing a possibility for blocking me. Until you complete your discussion concerning that, might I ask that you refrain from editing the pages I've worked on. Thanks Scholarlyarticles ( talk) 20:06, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- The two issues are not related. Any talk of blocking you is for edit warring and other bad editor behavior. I'm just pointing things out to NeilN in case he feels the need to go that way, which he won't if you stop the bad behavior. Whatever I may think of the material you've added to articles, I don't think you should be blocked for it. Anyway, I'm not planning to do any more Chuck Philips edits for a little while. Fnordware ( talk) 20:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
You commented on Patrice Nisbett "Still not sure if the subject qualifies as notable". See WP:POLITICIAN: "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." and WP:POLOUTCOMES: "Elected and appointed political figures at the national cabinet level are generally regarded as notable". Pam D 08:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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That was clearly just a rant and a pretty unpleasant one at that. There were no specific suggestions other than the implicit one to delete most of the article. It should not have been unhatted and I've hatted it again. It's still there for anyone to read. Even the section heading was against our talk page guidelines. You didn't make any specific suggestions yourself I notice.
While I'm here, I noticed your comments about 2 editors calling them activists. That was out of line, their actions and comments were appropriate, there's nothing wrong with notifying editors about off-wiki campaigns to change an article. Doug Weller talk 10:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- I stand by my statements. Some editors on that page are deciding to include/remove material not based of undue weight, unsourced, etc., but because they don't personally agree with the content. For example, "This is clearly full of delusional far-right rhetorics and I think we might be accidentally endorsing this if we include it in the article." I find it very unfortunate that this type of behavior has been normalized and NPOV has fallen by the wayside. Fnordware ( talk) 15:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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I've been "taken behind the woodshed" by an Administrator for precisely this reason. Two "warnings", mention of "disruptive editing", the threat of a block, etc... I want to make certain your intent was limited to only the deletion of posts for being "off-topic", WP:NOTAFORUM, etc... My recent experience is that you can still get into trouble whether the text is "blocked-off" or deleted. Discussion pages are terribly confusing to me, as I see Editors expressing blatant bias, talking about irrelevant details like "what Marxism REALLY is", etc... It seems to me that some Editors make a regular practice of doing this, which then gives New Editors the impression that it's allowed. That's what I did, and I ended up in trouble. I believe that "Leadership is by Example", and before castigating New Editors (for doing what they naturally do), more experienced Editors should be policing themselves, instead of setting a bad example for others to emulate, and then get into trouble over. I'm not going to try to "enforce" Wikipedia policy on other Editors, but someone should. Tym Whittier ( talk) 19:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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