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For talk before October 2007, see Talk:Students for a Democratic Society. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 22:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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The title should be changed to Students for a Democratic Society (1960s organization) Fairlane75 ( talk) 21:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Saying that the article includes text from an earlier version of the same article with a different title? The justification given is that it is necessary for GFDL compliance, but that seems a little absurd to me. I'll read through the GFDL when I have time later today, or, alternatively, if anybody wants to do something about this/explain this justification to me now... -- superioridad ( discusión) 00:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The article is written from the POV of an old SDSer. Needs a more objective tone and less editorial leading.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There was an organization in Germany at the same time and with pretty similar views and goals, also abbreviating to SDS, the Sozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund, which was the backbone of the German student movement. Was there any connection or is this just a coincidence? -- 212.63.43.180 ( talk) 13:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
An editor recently added a long list of names to "See also". Presumably, those were members. A list of notable (blue linked) members would be appropriate, if we have adequate sources for it. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The majority of these names appear identified as members in Helen Garvy's "Rebels with a Cause," a documentary film (and associated book) on the subject. The rest are identified as SDS members within their individual biographical entries on Wikipedia.-- Historytrain ( talk) 18:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Will Beback: I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and am not sure of either the process or the protocol for reinstating the members list I created (and SchuminWeb deleted). As a compromise measure, I'd like to create a child entry to the SDS entry that might serve as a members list. Is that something you think would be appropriate, and if so, might you be in a position to help me do it? I would then work to annotate the names appearing on the list. Thanks for considering this request. -- Historytrain ( talk) 23:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that seems entirely reasonable. Thanks for the advice. I don't want to clutter the main entry, but I would like to help readers/researchers get a better sense of the membership of SDS beyond Tom Hayden. Your suggestion should help accomplish that very effectively. Many, many thanks!-- Historytrain ( talk) 01:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The statement "By 1968 and 1969 they would profoundly affect SDS, particularly at national gatherings of the membership, forming a well-groomed, disciplined faction which followed the Progressive Labor Party line." seems to beg for some support. Elfride.swancourt ( talk) 05:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request as the primary topic.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 03:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Students for a Democratic Society (1960 organization) → Students for a Democratic Society — It seems obvious to me that the 1960s SDS (covered by this article) is a much more noteworthy organization than the 2006 one. Two considerations supporting this view: the 1960s organization article refers to a number of books solely about that organization, while AFAIK, there are no books about the 2006 organization, and the traffic statistics tool says this article was viewed 7000 times this month, while the article on the 2006 organization was only viewed 1500 times. So the 1960s organizations is a primary topic, and should be covered at the Students for a Democratic Society article, which is currently a disambiguation page. VoluntarySlave ( talk) 20:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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The first section on this talk page mentions older discussion from before October 2007 being moved to another location, but it's not linked and I can't seem to find it anywhere. Does anybody know where that discussion is? As I understand it, that page would include the record of a decision to split of Students for a Democratic Society (2006 Organization) as a separate article, which imo should be retained here (or at least linked to from here) for archival purposes. I checked on the talk page for Students for a Democratic Society (2006 Organization), but the discussion content in question isn't there either. Anybody know where that older discussion content is? Thanks. 131.156.156.20 ( talk) 06:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
This article mentions New Left Notes a couple of times (and cites it at a few points) but never describes it or contextualises it – beyond what's implicit we never learn when it was published, by whom, etc. Can something be added somewhere that would provide clarity? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 18:35, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Have added something on New Left Notes--does that do the job. ManfredHugh — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManfredHugh ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
All the lede says is: 1) Another 60's self-important hippy organization, 2) with 30,000 supporters recorded nationwide by its last national convention in 1969. Yawn.. Fortunately I happen to know better. (Like most (non-desperate) readers I too ignore [despicable] lazy-link rabbit-holes.) Please see: MOS:LEDE
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Have transferred the reversed edit to the Wiki article on Democratic Socialists of America under the Section "2020 election" where it is more appropriate. This article is about the SDS of the 1960s, so there really is no "2006 and beyond." 2006 is only mentioned because of the founding of an organisation of the same name, i.e. the new SDS. The May 2020 open letter the edit references is from members of the 1960s SDS, but they cannot speak for that long defunct movement. The issue they are addressing concerns not the SDS but the contemporary DSA--its refusal to endorse Biden ManfredHugh ( talk)
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For talk before October 2007, see Talk:Students for a Democratic Society. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 22:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The title should be changed to Students for a Democratic Society (1960s organization) Fairlane75 ( talk) 21:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Saying that the article includes text from an earlier version of the same article with a different title? The justification given is that it is necessary for GFDL compliance, but that seems a little absurd to me. I'll read through the GFDL when I have time later today, or, alternatively, if anybody wants to do something about this/explain this justification to me now... -- superioridad ( discusión) 00:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The article is written from the POV of an old SDSer. Needs a more objective tone and less editorial leading.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There was an organization in Germany at the same time and with pretty similar views and goals, also abbreviating to SDS, the Sozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund, which was the backbone of the German student movement. Was there any connection or is this just a coincidence? -- 212.63.43.180 ( talk) 13:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
An editor recently added a long list of names to "See also". Presumably, those were members. A list of notable (blue linked) members would be appropriate, if we have adequate sources for it. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
The majority of these names appear identified as members in Helen Garvy's "Rebels with a Cause," a documentary film (and associated book) on the subject. The rest are identified as SDS members within their individual biographical entries on Wikipedia.-- Historytrain ( talk) 18:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Will Beback: I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and am not sure of either the process or the protocol for reinstating the members list I created (and SchuminWeb deleted). As a compromise measure, I'd like to create a child entry to the SDS entry that might serve as a members list. Is that something you think would be appropriate, and if so, might you be in a position to help me do it? I would then work to annotate the names appearing on the list. Thanks for considering this request. -- Historytrain ( talk) 23:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that seems entirely reasonable. Thanks for the advice. I don't want to clutter the main entry, but I would like to help readers/researchers get a better sense of the membership of SDS beyond Tom Hayden. Your suggestion should help accomplish that very effectively. Many, many thanks!-- Historytrain ( talk) 01:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The statement "By 1968 and 1969 they would profoundly affect SDS, particularly at national gatherings of the membership, forming a well-groomed, disciplined faction which followed the Progressive Labor Party line." seems to beg for some support. Elfride.swancourt ( talk) 05:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request as the primary topic.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 03:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Students for a Democratic Society (1960 organization) → Students for a Democratic Society — It seems obvious to me that the 1960s SDS (covered by this article) is a much more noteworthy organization than the 2006 one. Two considerations supporting this view: the 1960s organization article refers to a number of books solely about that organization, while AFAIK, there are no books about the 2006 organization, and the traffic statistics tool says this article was viewed 7000 times this month, while the article on the 2006 organization was only viewed 1500 times. So the 1960s organizations is a primary topic, and should be covered at the Students for a Democratic Society article, which is currently a disambiguation page. VoluntarySlave ( talk) 20:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.The last paragraph under the early years section needs a year included (where it says "October 1,") -- Ganstaform11 ( talk) 18:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The first section on this talk page mentions older discussion from before October 2007 being moved to another location, but it's not linked and I can't seem to find it anywhere. Does anybody know where that discussion is? As I understand it, that page would include the record of a decision to split of Students for a Democratic Society (2006 Organization) as a separate article, which imo should be retained here (or at least linked to from here) for archival purposes. I checked on the talk page for Students for a Democratic Society (2006 Organization), but the discussion content in question isn't there either. Anybody know where that older discussion content is? Thanks. 131.156.156.20 ( talk) 06:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
This article mentions New Left Notes a couple of times (and cites it at a few points) but never describes it or contextualises it – beyond what's implicit we never learn when it was published, by whom, etc. Can something be added somewhere that would provide clarity? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 18:35, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Have added something on New Left Notes--does that do the job. ManfredHugh — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManfredHugh ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
All the lede says is: 1) Another 60's self-important hippy organization, 2) with 30,000 supporters recorded nationwide by its last national convention in 1969. Yawn.. Fortunately I happen to know better. (Like most (non-desperate) readers I too ignore [despicable] lazy-link rabbit-holes.) Please see: MOS:LEDE
"The lead section (also known as the introduction, lead, or lede[1]) of a Wikipedia article is the section before the table of contents and the first heading. The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects.
"The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources, and the notability of the article's subject should usually be established in the first few sentences. ...consideration should be given to creating interest in reading more of the article, ...."
-- 2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E4FA:E6D7:7E44:8D28 ( talk) 21:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC) Just Saying
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Have transferred the reversed edit to the Wiki article on Democratic Socialists of America under the Section "2020 election" where it is more appropriate. This article is about the SDS of the 1960s, so there really is no "2006 and beyond." 2006 is only mentioned because of the founding of an organisation of the same name, i.e. the new SDS. The May 2020 open letter the edit references is from members of the 1960s SDS, but they cannot speak for that long defunct movement. The issue they are addressing concerns not the SDS but the contemporary DSA--its refusal to endorse Biden ManfredHugh ( talk)