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I feel this section may need work. Many mentioned simply do not fall into the category of notable performers. For example, Paul McCartney, Sting, Joshua Bell, Tom Jones, Hayley Westenra and the likes are not notable as street performers. All notable in their field, but no more notable as street performers due to busking "once" as a stunt or for charity than they would be notable as chess players or footballers should the partake in either of those activites. On the other hand, genuinely notable street performers such as Richard "Jim Cellini" Sullivan (a hugely influential magic busking act) see no mention in the list. I propose removing *all* entries in this section who have not achieved notability as a street performer (I fear that would leave a very short list, but certainly one which can be better described as "notable". I invite discussion here before I make the edits. Jack of Many ( talk) 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the article needs a "Notable performers" section at all. A few (two to four ) notable street performers should be named in the main article, and that should be perfectly sufficient. TheScotch ( talk) 12:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
When i created that section i called it celebrity anecdotes It should be renamed that because that is what it is. I am changing it forth with I also removed self promos by unknowns — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.109.198 ( talk) 02:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. This section is ridiculous. Many of the great buskers will remain lost in obscurity. To list big name stars who have once or twice gone out on the street as a publicity stunt is offensive to real street artists... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.159.92 ( talk) 09:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Re: "In medieval France buskers were known by the terms troubadours and jongleurs. In northern France they were known as trouveres. In old German buskers were known as Minnesingers and Spielleute."
These are very suspect sentences. Troubadours and "trouveres" (missing accent mark here) were generally noblemen who composed poetry and song for court performance, which makes them not buskers at all. Neither were the meistersingers buskers; they were guild members, and they competed formally for awards. TheScotch ( talk) 12:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I object to the sentence "In Italian it evolved to buscare which meant "procure, gain" and in Italy buskers are called buscarsi or, more simply, Buskers". There is no such word as "buscare" in Italian, that is Spanish. I am Italian and never heard the word "buscarsi", as to the idea that they are called simply Buskers, well, that's absolutely not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.240.126.228 ( talk) 08:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I object to the sentence "In Italian it evolved to buscare which meant "procure, gain" and in Italy buskers are called buscarsi or, more simply, Buskers".
There is no such word as "buscare" in Italian, that is Spanish. I am Italian and never heard the word "buscarsi", which would at any rate not respect Italian language morphology. As to the idea that they are called simply Buskers, well, that's absolutely not the case. I do not know what might be the source for that. 81.240.126.228 ( talk) 08:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC) MarcoFant, 9/29/2012
I am a busker in Italy for the last 26 years. BUSCARE is a word meaning to search for or procure. http://dizionari.corriere.it/dizionario_italiano/B/buscare.shtml I have never heard it used in connection with BUSKER though. In Italy we say BUSKER... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.159.92 ( talk) 06:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Why the website http://www.buzzkers.com can't be add to demonstrate street musicians performance ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzkers ( talk • contribs) 09:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I have now thrice deleted the use of the word "Gypsies" but some person keeps reinstating this expression. The word "Gypsies" should not be used, for two reasons:
I suspect the continued use of this word is out of ignorance, and that there is no derogatory motive for using it. Still, it may be perceived as derogatory. As the word is no way essential -- or even of lesser importance -- for the section I suggest it be avoided altogether. Omitting this one word that may cause other readers problems, will not reduce the quality of the article. clsc ( talk) 22:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC) (original: 20:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC))
This article is incredibly disorganized and full of irrelevant and wrong information. Several weeks ago I added (without removing any old info) a different story about the origins of the term"bottle" referring to the collected money. I also cleaned up the description of "one man band" as well. These changes were removed instantly by somebody.
Since then two other people have contacted me through busking sites that I run personally complaining that this same thing has happened to them.
The photo of Marc Dobbson the one man band is a very poor photo to represent street art! He's a festival performer with a lot of equipment and not a busker!
This article is poorly written and should be totally re-written from scratch. The next time that somebody complains to me about it I'm going to complain to Wikipedia directly... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.159.92 ( talk) 06:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken ( talk · contribs):
I just reverted back, preserving your wikilink fix. Your change of "|gap=4em}}" produces even worse formatting on the Android App & some other browsers.
Questions:
Discussion:
With your {{col-begin}}{{col-break}} ... {{col-break|gap=4em}} ... {{col-end}} markup
the list looks like this:
- Busking Day
- Category:Busking venues
- Circus skills
- List of well-known busking locations
- Music Under New York
* Skomorokh
* Street artist
* Street painting
* Street theatre
Beyond being visually confusing, this mis-represents the list, as a 5 item list with the last item having a 4-item sub-list.
Its more important for content to not be visually confusing, then it is to meet your idea of visible accessibility.
i see these solutions:
I am about to do the last as an edit.
I hope we can find a compromise acceptable to both of us. Edit wars are not a good use of either of our time. — Lentower ( talk) 22:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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I feel this section may need work. Many mentioned simply do not fall into the category of notable performers. For example, Paul McCartney, Sting, Joshua Bell, Tom Jones, Hayley Westenra and the likes are not notable as street performers. All notable in their field, but no more notable as street performers due to busking "once" as a stunt or for charity than they would be notable as chess players or footballers should the partake in either of those activites. On the other hand, genuinely notable street performers such as Richard "Jim Cellini" Sullivan (a hugely influential magic busking act) see no mention in the list. I propose removing *all* entries in this section who have not achieved notability as a street performer (I fear that would leave a very short list, but certainly one which can be better described as "notable". I invite discussion here before I make the edits. Jack of Many ( talk) 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the article needs a "Notable performers" section at all. A few (two to four ) notable street performers should be named in the main article, and that should be perfectly sufficient. TheScotch ( talk) 12:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
When i created that section i called it celebrity anecdotes It should be renamed that because that is what it is. I am changing it forth with I also removed self promos by unknowns — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.109.198 ( talk) 02:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. This section is ridiculous. Many of the great buskers will remain lost in obscurity. To list big name stars who have once or twice gone out on the street as a publicity stunt is offensive to real street artists... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.159.92 ( talk) 09:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Re: "In medieval France buskers were known by the terms troubadours and jongleurs. In northern France they were known as trouveres. In old German buskers were known as Minnesingers and Spielleute."
These are very suspect sentences. Troubadours and "trouveres" (missing accent mark here) were generally noblemen who composed poetry and song for court performance, which makes them not buskers at all. Neither were the meistersingers buskers; they were guild members, and they competed formally for awards. TheScotch ( talk) 12:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I object to the sentence "In Italian it evolved to buscare which meant "procure, gain" and in Italy buskers are called buscarsi or, more simply, Buskers". There is no such word as "buscare" in Italian, that is Spanish. I am Italian and never heard the word "buscarsi", as to the idea that they are called simply Buskers, well, that's absolutely not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.240.126.228 ( talk) 08:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I object to the sentence "In Italian it evolved to buscare which meant "procure, gain" and in Italy buskers are called buscarsi or, more simply, Buskers".
There is no such word as "buscare" in Italian, that is Spanish. I am Italian and never heard the word "buscarsi", which would at any rate not respect Italian language morphology. As to the idea that they are called simply Buskers, well, that's absolutely not the case. I do not know what might be the source for that. 81.240.126.228 ( talk) 08:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC) MarcoFant, 9/29/2012
I am a busker in Italy for the last 26 years. BUSCARE is a word meaning to search for or procure. http://dizionari.corriere.it/dizionario_italiano/B/buscare.shtml I have never heard it used in connection with BUSKER though. In Italy we say BUSKER... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.159.92 ( talk) 06:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Why the website http://www.buzzkers.com can't be add to demonstrate street musicians performance ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzkers ( talk • contribs) 09:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I have now thrice deleted the use of the word "Gypsies" but some person keeps reinstating this expression. The word "Gypsies" should not be used, for two reasons:
I suspect the continued use of this word is out of ignorance, and that there is no derogatory motive for using it. Still, it may be perceived as derogatory. As the word is no way essential -- or even of lesser importance -- for the section I suggest it be avoided altogether. Omitting this one word that may cause other readers problems, will not reduce the quality of the article. clsc ( talk) 22:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC) (original: 20:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC))
This article is incredibly disorganized and full of irrelevant and wrong information. Several weeks ago I added (without removing any old info) a different story about the origins of the term"bottle" referring to the collected money. I also cleaned up the description of "one man band" as well. These changes were removed instantly by somebody.
Since then two other people have contacted me through busking sites that I run personally complaining that this same thing has happened to them.
The photo of Marc Dobbson the one man band is a very poor photo to represent street art! He's a festival performer with a lot of equipment and not a busker!
This article is poorly written and should be totally re-written from scratch. The next time that somebody complains to me about it I'm going to complain to Wikipedia directly... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.159.92 ( talk) 06:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken ( talk · contribs):
I just reverted back, preserving your wikilink fix. Your change of "|gap=4em}}" produces even worse formatting on the Android App & some other browsers.
Questions:
Discussion:
With your {{col-begin}}{{col-break}} ... {{col-break|gap=4em}} ... {{col-end}} markup
the list looks like this:
- Busking Day
- Category:Busking venues
- Circus skills
- List of well-known busking locations
- Music Under New York
* Skomorokh
* Street artist
* Street painting
* Street theatre
Beyond being visually confusing, this mis-represents the list, as a 5 item list with the last item having a 4-item sub-list.
Its more important for content to not be visually confusing, then it is to meet your idea of visible accessibility.
i see these solutions:
I am about to do the last as an edit.
I hope we can find a compromise acceptable to both of us. Edit wars are not a good use of either of our time. — Lentower ( talk) 22:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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Not sure I want to add them to the exclusions list, as I don't know anything about that. Someone else who knows more, feel free. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) ( talk) 04:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)