Instead of citing the Leszek Podhorodecki (1 January 1998). Stefan Czarniecki. reference over and over, why don't you create a "bibliography" section and use a template like {{Harvard citation no brackets}} to cite the pages? This would apply to all books used more than once.
I never got into a habit of using Harvard citations, which I believe are not required. I have no objections if somebody wants to spend the required hour or so, but I prefer to write content, now that refs are passable (even for a FA level). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here17:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ->> Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth on all mentions.
According to
WP:FURTHER the Further reading section should not contain works that are used in the Reference section, unless the References section is too long for a reader to use as part of a general reading list. If a bibliography section were to be added as described above, the further reading section could be removed or filled with other works.
The date of his birth is only an assumption, as no documents exist to prove it without a doubt; most historians accept the 1599 date, although Zdzisław Spieralski argued for 1604 1. Period needed. 2. Multiple references (three or four) are needed for the claim most historians accept the 1599 date
I added one more ref, both Podhoreci and Karsten wrote dedicated bios of Czarnecki, and Karsten in the GBooks snipped I see clearly states 1599 is the commonly accepted estimate. A claim by reliable historian in a dedicated book should be good enough, I'd think. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here17:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)reply
We know nothing about his childhood. I don't think the use of "we" is allowed outside of quotes. Would prefer a term like "historians".
Hetman Stefan Czarniecki in red bekiesza. Holds buława in right hand. Note crimson shoes (buty karmazynowe), a sign of wealth and rank (magnates nickname were 'karmazyni' - the crimson ones - because of those boots. 1. Holds buława in right hand. is not a complete sentence. 2. Missing an end parentheses at the end of the sentence. 3. The claim "a sign of wealth and rank" needs a reference. 4. magnates nickname were 'karmazyni' - the crimson ones - because of those boots Reference needed. 5. The hyphens should be ndashes.
ended the Polish-Ottoman War (1620–1621). Polish-Ottoman ->> Polish–Ottoman
Done.
Polish-Swedish War same as above, twice in article
Done.
On August 6-7 ndash
Done.
fought.[11][8] switch references
Done.
he learned Western tactics, comma unnecessary
Done.
in 1635 he might have served as a military adviser to John II Casimir Vasa, and possibly accompanied him to Vienna. 1. Watch capitalization. 2. The statement after "and" is ambiguous; who accompanied who to Vienna?
After that war, he moved to a more prestigious hussar unit (rota), and likely due to a reduction of the royal army, he served in the private formation of Władysław Myszkowski and later, voivode Stanisław Lubomirski.[17] in 1635 he might have served as a military adviser to John II Casimir Vasa, and possibly accompanied the king to Vienna. Watch capitalization.
Albacore (
talk)
18:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)reply
In 1637 he married Zofia Kobierzycka,[17] and Later capitalization
Done.
Returning from it, according to Nagielski witnessed the massacre of Polish prisoners in the aftermath of the Battle of Batoh;[21] This 1. Caps 2. The statement after according should be rewritten.
He continued his suppression campaign in 1654, an in following January took part in the Battle of Okhmativ. 1. an ->> and. 2. What made it a "suppression campaign"?
Linked abdication; regimentarz already linked upon first use.
He led guerrilla warfare against Swedish troops of Charles X, a type of a campaign he authored, despite the objections of the then-returned under the royal banner again hetmans. I don't follow what is meant by the "then-returned under the royal banner again hetmans".
It means that after betraying the king, the hetmans changed the flag again and returned to him; then objected to Czarniecki's tactics. I agree the sentence is poorly worded; I attempted to rewrite it.
were proven to be rather vulnerable to Czarniecki's guerrilla-style warfare. 1. were proven --> proved 2. de-link guerrilla
Done.
the Danish-Swedish War, ->> the Danish–Swedish War
Instead of ... would attempt to involve him ... why not just "attempted to involve him"? A sentence explaining whether he became involved would be nice too.
I believe he succeeded but I won't be able to verify the source till December.
I feel like
File:Lesseur-Czarniecki.jpg is better than the one currently used in the article for the lead image.
How about you change them then? Art is in the eye of the beholder, I'll comment if I disagree after your switch.
During the period of Enlightenment in Poland he was written about by poets and writers such as Stanisław Potocki, Franciszek Karpiński, Julian Ursyn Niemcewicz and Franciszek Ksawery Dmowski, and a biography by Michał Krajewski, cementing his legend of a hero rescuing Poland from anarchy and invasion, a legend that became even stronger during the times of the partitions of Poland in the 19th century, where the artists of the Polish romanticism period used him as a symbol of patriotism, and a reminder of military successes. Definitely break into two or more sentences
Done.
Finally, I would recommend that you check the
Article in Polish to see if there is anything to add.
I believe I did so when writing this article, and all interesting items I was able to reference were added.
Instead of citing the Leszek Podhorodecki (1 January 1998). Stefan Czarniecki. reference over and over, why don't you create a "bibliography" section and use a template like {{Harvard citation no brackets}} to cite the pages? This would apply to all books used more than once.
I never got into a habit of using Harvard citations, which I believe are not required. I have no objections if somebody wants to spend the required hour or so, but I prefer to write content, now that refs are passable (even for a FA level). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here17:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ->> Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth on all mentions.
According to
WP:FURTHER the Further reading section should not contain works that are used in the Reference section, unless the References section is too long for a reader to use as part of a general reading list. If a bibliography section were to be added as described above, the further reading section could be removed or filled with other works.
The date of his birth is only an assumption, as no documents exist to prove it without a doubt; most historians accept the 1599 date, although Zdzisław Spieralski argued for 1604 1. Period needed. 2. Multiple references (three or four) are needed for the claim most historians accept the 1599 date
I added one more ref, both Podhoreci and Karsten wrote dedicated bios of Czarnecki, and Karsten in the GBooks snipped I see clearly states 1599 is the commonly accepted estimate. A claim by reliable historian in a dedicated book should be good enough, I'd think. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here17:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)reply
We know nothing about his childhood. I don't think the use of "we" is allowed outside of quotes. Would prefer a term like "historians".
Hetman Stefan Czarniecki in red bekiesza. Holds buława in right hand. Note crimson shoes (buty karmazynowe), a sign of wealth and rank (magnates nickname were 'karmazyni' - the crimson ones - because of those boots. 1. Holds buława in right hand. is not a complete sentence. 2. Missing an end parentheses at the end of the sentence. 3. The claim "a sign of wealth and rank" needs a reference. 4. magnates nickname were 'karmazyni' - the crimson ones - because of those boots Reference needed. 5. The hyphens should be ndashes.
ended the Polish-Ottoman War (1620–1621). Polish-Ottoman ->> Polish–Ottoman
Done.
Polish-Swedish War same as above, twice in article
Done.
On August 6-7 ndash
Done.
fought.[11][8] switch references
Done.
he learned Western tactics, comma unnecessary
Done.
in 1635 he might have served as a military adviser to John II Casimir Vasa, and possibly accompanied him to Vienna. 1. Watch capitalization. 2. The statement after "and" is ambiguous; who accompanied who to Vienna?
After that war, he moved to a more prestigious hussar unit (rota), and likely due to a reduction of the royal army, he served in the private formation of Władysław Myszkowski and later, voivode Stanisław Lubomirski.[17] in 1635 he might have served as a military adviser to John II Casimir Vasa, and possibly accompanied the king to Vienna. Watch capitalization.
Albacore (
talk)
18:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)reply
In 1637 he married Zofia Kobierzycka,[17] and Later capitalization
Done.
Returning from it, according to Nagielski witnessed the massacre of Polish prisoners in the aftermath of the Battle of Batoh;[21] This 1. Caps 2. The statement after according should be rewritten.
He continued his suppression campaign in 1654, an in following January took part in the Battle of Okhmativ. 1. an ->> and. 2. What made it a "suppression campaign"?
Linked abdication; regimentarz already linked upon first use.
He led guerrilla warfare against Swedish troops of Charles X, a type of a campaign he authored, despite the objections of the then-returned under the royal banner again hetmans. I don't follow what is meant by the "then-returned under the royal banner again hetmans".
It means that after betraying the king, the hetmans changed the flag again and returned to him; then objected to Czarniecki's tactics. I agree the sentence is poorly worded; I attempted to rewrite it.
were proven to be rather vulnerable to Czarniecki's guerrilla-style warfare. 1. were proven --> proved 2. de-link guerrilla
Done.
the Danish-Swedish War, ->> the Danish–Swedish War
Instead of ... would attempt to involve him ... why not just "attempted to involve him"? A sentence explaining whether he became involved would be nice too.
I believe he succeeded but I won't be able to verify the source till December.
I feel like
File:Lesseur-Czarniecki.jpg is better than the one currently used in the article for the lead image.
How about you change them then? Art is in the eye of the beholder, I'll comment if I disagree after your switch.
During the period of Enlightenment in Poland he was written about by poets and writers such as Stanisław Potocki, Franciszek Karpiński, Julian Ursyn Niemcewicz and Franciszek Ksawery Dmowski, and a biography by Michał Krajewski, cementing his legend of a hero rescuing Poland from anarchy and invasion, a legend that became even stronger during the times of the partitions of Poland in the 19th century, where the artists of the Polish romanticism period used him as a symbol of patriotism, and a reminder of military successes. Definitely break into two or more sentences
Done.
Finally, I would recommend that you check the
Article in Polish to see if there is anything to add.
I believe I did so when writing this article, and all interesting items I was able to reference were added.