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An edit including Marcia Lucas' response to the movie was recently reverted twice ( 1 2) due to it allegedly not being notable enough to be included. I think her response should be kept as she (according to her Wikipedia page) won an Academy Award and Saturn Award, and was nominated for a BAFTA, for being an editor on A New Hope. She was also an editor on The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi (one of the reverted falsely claims that she was "involved in one film".) 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚(🕷) - (✉) 12:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I suggest removing the following bit from the lead section: It was positively received by critics
. We cannot use multiple individual reviews to identify general trends. Unless we have a source summarizing general sentiments by critics,
WP:SYNTH applies: for its screenplay, direction, lead performances, action sequences, musical score, special effects, and emotional weight, although some critics found the film too similar to A New Hope (1977)Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source.
The first part of the sentence should obviously be kept since it is supported by Metacritic in the article body. The "too similar" bit is also supported, though I would agree to remove it as it runs the risk of placing undue emphasis on that particular criticism. Throast {{ping}} me! ( talk | contribs) 15:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
I believe this section of the page is something of a mess, for several reasons. The first paragraph that discusses George Lucas' opinions seem to fit, but everything else in this section reads to me as being unnecessary. I do not believe the validity of the sources or the legitimacy of the information is suspect, however, I am questioning why the information is included on the page at all. Some of it sounds like IMDB trivia.
The second paragraph deals exclusively with J.J. Abrams playing defense against criticism of the film, which is fine, but it's worded in such a way that it sounds very against Abrams. The wording sounds like the article agrees with the criticisms and that Abrams should indeed have to be defending his "oversights" and he should be ponying up the apologies he owed. I feel the entire second paragraph could be moved to the critical reception page, or to a separate section titled something like "J.J. Abrams' response to criticism of the film". Or at the very least, it could be reworded and reworked so it doesn't seem as biased against Abrams.
The third paragraph is full of information that again, seems highly irrelevant. It's a lot of J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson complimenting each other and saying nice things about one another. How is this sentence from the article relevant- '"In the same interview, Abrams said that he liked Snoke's death in the sequel." Why is this included? Why would that not be moved to the page for the sequel instead? How is that a response to the film The Force Awakens?
The title "Response from Star Wars filmmakers" to me suggests that the information will deal with previous Star Wars filmmakers reacting to the film The Force Awakens and no other films. (For example, John Williams, Rick McCallum, Frank Oz or other prominent figures who've worked on the films). At present, this is not the case. The bits and pieces about their writing process/asking BB-8 and R2D2 to be switched could possibly be moved to a different section of this page, as could a lot of the information here. Not to be too technical, but that doesn't even qualify as a response to the film, it was a request made about the script. It was a request Johnson made before the movie was filmed. I would be fine if this section included any comments Johnson made about the finished film, but this reads as IMDB type trivia to me. It doesn't talk about his actual response to the actual film.
A few months ago Toa Nidhiki05 reverted an edit that attempted to add Marcia Lucas' opinions about this film under the justification that her opinions were irrelevant, and that this section only exists for George Lucas to talk about his opinions. To quote Toa directly, "The section pretty much just exists to give George Lucas a space to vent about he didn't like the movie." As reading both the second and third paragraphs will demonstrate, this is clearly not true.
I would like to propose moving certain sentences from the second and third paragraphs to other sections of the page, and losing other sentences. However, I am mostly curious to see if others feel the same as I do. Please, if anyone has any thoughts, I would like to start a civil, respectful and communicative discussion. Cinnamonrollsaregood ( talk) 01:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that $447 millions budget is Fake news. Forbes clearly make a mistake. 151.28.43.200 ( talk) 11:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
does not include marketing/promotional costs (e.g. advertisements, commercials, posters)". So this may need to be revisited.
This is for User:Betty Logan, but is the (net) actually necessary? I’m asking because every other Disney Star Wars film doesn’t have the “net” sign like TFA does. And it uses the same article from Forbes. Just wanted to point it out.
And why not just put both “net” and “gross” budget, since if you look at articles like The Dark Knight Rises and Avengers Age of Ultron, they have both the net and gross profit. So why are we just doing net, if we’re not doing the other? Furthermore, if we’re only doing “net,” do we need the sign (because the source editing already clarified this for editors to not change the budget)? DougheGojiraMan ( talk) 17:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
TFA (Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 13 § TFA (Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens until a consensus is reached.
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An edit including Marcia Lucas' response to the movie was recently reverted twice ( 1 2) due to it allegedly not being notable enough to be included. I think her response should be kept as she (according to her Wikipedia page) won an Academy Award and Saturn Award, and was nominated for a BAFTA, for being an editor on A New Hope. She was also an editor on The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi (one of the reverted falsely claims that she was "involved in one film".) 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚(🕷) - (✉) 12:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I suggest removing the following bit from the lead section: It was positively received by critics
. We cannot use multiple individual reviews to identify general trends. Unless we have a source summarizing general sentiments by critics,
WP:SYNTH applies: for its screenplay, direction, lead performances, action sequences, musical score, special effects, and emotional weight, although some critics found the film too similar to A New Hope (1977)Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source.
The first part of the sentence should obviously be kept since it is supported by Metacritic in the article body. The "too similar" bit is also supported, though I would agree to remove it as it runs the risk of placing undue emphasis on that particular criticism. Throast {{ping}} me! ( talk | contribs) 15:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
I believe this section of the page is something of a mess, for several reasons. The first paragraph that discusses George Lucas' opinions seem to fit, but everything else in this section reads to me as being unnecessary. I do not believe the validity of the sources or the legitimacy of the information is suspect, however, I am questioning why the information is included on the page at all. Some of it sounds like IMDB trivia.
The second paragraph deals exclusively with J.J. Abrams playing defense against criticism of the film, which is fine, but it's worded in such a way that it sounds very against Abrams. The wording sounds like the article agrees with the criticisms and that Abrams should indeed have to be defending his "oversights" and he should be ponying up the apologies he owed. I feel the entire second paragraph could be moved to the critical reception page, or to a separate section titled something like "J.J. Abrams' response to criticism of the film". Or at the very least, it could be reworded and reworked so it doesn't seem as biased against Abrams.
The third paragraph is full of information that again, seems highly irrelevant. It's a lot of J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson complimenting each other and saying nice things about one another. How is this sentence from the article relevant- '"In the same interview, Abrams said that he liked Snoke's death in the sequel." Why is this included? Why would that not be moved to the page for the sequel instead? How is that a response to the film The Force Awakens?
The title "Response from Star Wars filmmakers" to me suggests that the information will deal with previous Star Wars filmmakers reacting to the film The Force Awakens and no other films. (For example, John Williams, Rick McCallum, Frank Oz or other prominent figures who've worked on the films). At present, this is not the case. The bits and pieces about their writing process/asking BB-8 and R2D2 to be switched could possibly be moved to a different section of this page, as could a lot of the information here. Not to be too technical, but that doesn't even qualify as a response to the film, it was a request made about the script. It was a request Johnson made before the movie was filmed. I would be fine if this section included any comments Johnson made about the finished film, but this reads as IMDB type trivia to me. It doesn't talk about his actual response to the actual film.
A few months ago Toa Nidhiki05 reverted an edit that attempted to add Marcia Lucas' opinions about this film under the justification that her opinions were irrelevant, and that this section only exists for George Lucas to talk about his opinions. To quote Toa directly, "The section pretty much just exists to give George Lucas a space to vent about he didn't like the movie." As reading both the second and third paragraphs will demonstrate, this is clearly not true.
I would like to propose moving certain sentences from the second and third paragraphs to other sections of the page, and losing other sentences. However, I am mostly curious to see if others feel the same as I do. Please, if anyone has any thoughts, I would like to start a civil, respectful and communicative discussion. Cinnamonrollsaregood ( talk) 01:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that $447 millions budget is Fake news. Forbes clearly make a mistake. 151.28.43.200 ( talk) 11:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
does not include marketing/promotional costs (e.g. advertisements, commercials, posters)". So this may need to be revisited.
This is for User:Betty Logan, but is the (net) actually necessary? I’m asking because every other Disney Star Wars film doesn’t have the “net” sign like TFA does. And it uses the same article from Forbes. Just wanted to point it out.
And why not just put both “net” and “gross” budget, since if you look at articles like The Dark Knight Rises and Avengers Age of Ultron, they have both the net and gross profit. So why are we just doing net, if we’re not doing the other? Furthermore, if we’re only doing “net,” do we need the sign (because the source editing already clarified this for editors to not change the budget)? DougheGojiraMan ( talk) 17:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
TFA (Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 13 § TFA (Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens until a consensus is reached.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
23:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)