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She was Polish American, Polish-born naturalized US citizen. Describing Walasiewicz only as "Polish" is entirely wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.162.97.219 ( talk) 14:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there any information about whether she got married or had kids or anything like that that could have shed some light on the gender issue? I realize they didn't have tests like they do now, but it'd be interesting to know if she married and tried to have kids 4.142.90.211 ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)eric
Polish wikipedia says her parents emigrated to USA when she was 3 months old, while this article says "when she was two". Are there any sources for this information? rado 21:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I deleted some stuff that seemed like good sci-fi, but who the hell knows any more. Anyways, provide reliable sources about her questionable sex and include it. I am not even going to Google this. -- Tom 16:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty to remove the following part as it seems a tad strange. At the same time, Walasiewicz had a reputation for aloofness, and did not socialize with the other women athletes, causing some to be suspicious. [1]. The problem is that what the Canadian runner said is obviously true as she did not stay with the Canadian sportsmen but rather with her Polish friends. Some of them recall her as a friendly and helpful person (Kwaśniewska). Anyway, it's easy to suspect something... 60 years afterwards, but it proves little. // Halibu tt 23:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
This article refers to the individual as "he" in one sentence and as "she" in the next, but usually uses "she". Due to Stella having XY chromosomes, I think the article should use "he" exclusively. Comments on the matter? Useight 22:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, b.s. Walsh was a MAN who cheated. I hate these trans activists who want to pretend this man was anything other than a brazen cheat. He didn't "identify" as anything but posed as a woman so as not to be found out. He didn't count on being murdered and the truth would finally be revealed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.52.22 ( talk) 23:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I have Stanisława Walasiewicz as finishing 2nd in the women's 500m speed skating during the 9th National Championship of Poland, 11/12-02-1933. You can read a lot about her in the archives of the Polish sports paper Przeglad Sportowy, which has a good web archive for it's 1921-1959 publications. Dirk P Broer ( talk) 23:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
9th National Championship of Poland 11-feb 11-feb
11/12-02-1933, Warszawa (n) 500 m 1500 m
1. Lena Lukaszczyk Polonia - Warszawa 1.01.0 1 3.26.4 1
2. Kalatowna WTC - Warszawa 1.06.2 2 3.49.4 2
3. Jadwiga Nowacka AZS - Warszawa 1.18.0 3 4.09.7 4
4. Stanisława Walasiewicz WTL - Warszawa 1.24.8 4 4.00.4 3
references: Dziennik Poznański 1933.02.14; Przeglad Sportowy 1933.02.12 Dirk P Broer ( talk) 23:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Hermaphrodite sounds like a terribly oldfashioned and not very precise way of describing this individual's gender. From this article, and especially the paragraph mentioning both XX and XY, I would guess this is a case of intersexualism involving mosaicism. The word hermaphrodite only confuses, and should be replaced. // 213.89.53.155 ( talk) 16:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone get some sort of coroners report on this person? I'd like to know exactly what the status of this person was gender-wise. My own point of view is that s/he was a cheat who stole her 100 meter victory from the legitimate would-be medal winner, Hilda Strike. She should have her medals taken away. I don't really see the point in obscuring this by using specialized terminology that nobody will understand. If you can present information that I haven't been privy to, I'd be willing to reconsider my rather negative assessment of this person. -- Megaforcemedia ( talk) 23:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I doubt there is any coroner's report available. Death certificates and coroner's reports are not available to the general public. It is clear Walsh was a fraud, one of the most brazen in Olympic history. ALL of the "intersex" nonsense was put forward years later by trans activists seeking to justify brazen cheating by making a phony "intersex" claim. After all, more than a few of the trans have brazenly cheated in women's competition (such as Fallon Fox and Rachel McKinnon). They want to lie about what is clear just by looking at Walsh when young and when far older. He was a dude in a bad wig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.52.22 ( talk) 23:13, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
There is no evidence Walsh was "intersex." What a bunch of liars to pretend otherwise. If someone has a Y chromosome, that person is a MALE. Walsh was a cheat who should have been stripped of his medals.
How could she posses male genitalia without the Y-chromosome? I changed the 46XX to 46XY. Max Dohle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.211.184.85 ( talk) 19:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I hate liars who want to pretend Walsh was anything other than a cheat. The "intersex" meme was fabricated YEARS later. The liar in the preceding comment is no doubt a trans actvist who wants to justify a brazen cheat.There is NO evidence of "mosaicism." Walsh was clearly a dude with a bad wig. Furthermore, you are making nonsense up about Caster Semenya. Since there is NO public record of Semenya's health records, it is all b.s. speculation Semenya is "intersex."
Could we please remove this wall of transphobic ramblings? Thanks.
Detailed investigation has also revealed that she had both an XX and an XY pair of chromosomes. If detailed investigation exists, why is this sentence so undetailed? Her sexual identity is the key to understanding the article. both an XX and an XY pair of chromosomes is extremely vague. Does that mean Klinefelter's syndrome? XXYY syndrome? Or mosaicism as mentioned in a comment above? Or what else? -- ::Slomox:: >< 14:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
There isn't any, that's why. The "intersex" lie was put forward many years later, after Walsh was in jeopardy of losing his medals.Anybody with a Y chromosome is automatically a male. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.52.22 ( talk) 23:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I could be either mosaicism or chimerism. I don't think there's any way for us to know now. This source says mosaicism, but I highly doubt they did genetic testing to figure out which. http://0-www.britannica.com.libra.naz.edu/EBchecked/topic/1367962/Stanislawa-Walasiewicz-The-Curious-Story-of-Stella-Walsh
Also the article appears to say her chromosomes were XO and XX, which is NOT the same thing as XY and XX, and doesn not appear to be accurate nor sourced.
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-ugliestmoments/5/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.80.45.147 ( talk) 03:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Looks very sciende fiction to me. How did they do research on her chromosomes? You need living cells for that kind of research. She was dead! Ambigues genitals, you say. Well that could be anything. |
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My grandmother was born of a Belorussian man and a Eukranian mother who immigrated to the US and then met and married- in 1912. They were rumored to be fleeing possible retribution from the Russian Revolution, having been Tzarist. None of this can I verify.
In order to conceal themselves from Bolshevik agents rumored to seek Tzarists in the Cleveland area, my great grand-parents fled to Canada, changing their name from "Walchuk" to "Walsh".
My Grandmother was born in Cleveland in 1915 and was named "Stella". Then became Stella Walsh.
A peculiar coincidence I thought would have not connection with Intersexed Stella Walsh, but odd they both took this name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.237.207.214 ( talk) 06:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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She was Polish American, Polish-born naturalized US citizen. Describing Walasiewicz only as "Polish" is entirely wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.162.97.219 ( talk) 14:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there any information about whether she got married or had kids or anything like that that could have shed some light on the gender issue? I realize they didn't have tests like they do now, but it'd be interesting to know if she married and tried to have kids 4.142.90.211 ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)eric
Polish wikipedia says her parents emigrated to USA when she was 3 months old, while this article says "when she was two". Are there any sources for this information? rado 21:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I deleted some stuff that seemed like good sci-fi, but who the hell knows any more. Anyways, provide reliable sources about her questionable sex and include it. I am not even going to Google this. -- Tom 16:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty to remove the following part as it seems a tad strange. At the same time, Walasiewicz had a reputation for aloofness, and did not socialize with the other women athletes, causing some to be suspicious. [1]. The problem is that what the Canadian runner said is obviously true as she did not stay with the Canadian sportsmen but rather with her Polish friends. Some of them recall her as a friendly and helpful person (Kwaśniewska). Anyway, it's easy to suspect something... 60 years afterwards, but it proves little. // Halibu tt 23:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
This article refers to the individual as "he" in one sentence and as "she" in the next, but usually uses "she". Due to Stella having XY chromosomes, I think the article should use "he" exclusively. Comments on the matter? Useight 22:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, b.s. Walsh was a MAN who cheated. I hate these trans activists who want to pretend this man was anything other than a brazen cheat. He didn't "identify" as anything but posed as a woman so as not to be found out. He didn't count on being murdered and the truth would finally be revealed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.52.22 ( talk) 23:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I have Stanisława Walasiewicz as finishing 2nd in the women's 500m speed skating during the 9th National Championship of Poland, 11/12-02-1933. You can read a lot about her in the archives of the Polish sports paper Przeglad Sportowy, which has a good web archive for it's 1921-1959 publications. Dirk P Broer ( talk) 23:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
9th National Championship of Poland 11-feb 11-feb
11/12-02-1933, Warszawa (n) 500 m 1500 m
1. Lena Lukaszczyk Polonia - Warszawa 1.01.0 1 3.26.4 1
2. Kalatowna WTC - Warszawa 1.06.2 2 3.49.4 2
3. Jadwiga Nowacka AZS - Warszawa 1.18.0 3 4.09.7 4
4. Stanisława Walasiewicz WTL - Warszawa 1.24.8 4 4.00.4 3
references: Dziennik Poznański 1933.02.14; Przeglad Sportowy 1933.02.12 Dirk P Broer ( talk) 23:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Hermaphrodite sounds like a terribly oldfashioned and not very precise way of describing this individual's gender. From this article, and especially the paragraph mentioning both XX and XY, I would guess this is a case of intersexualism involving mosaicism. The word hermaphrodite only confuses, and should be replaced. // 213.89.53.155 ( talk) 16:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone get some sort of coroners report on this person? I'd like to know exactly what the status of this person was gender-wise. My own point of view is that s/he was a cheat who stole her 100 meter victory from the legitimate would-be medal winner, Hilda Strike. She should have her medals taken away. I don't really see the point in obscuring this by using specialized terminology that nobody will understand. If you can present information that I haven't been privy to, I'd be willing to reconsider my rather negative assessment of this person. -- Megaforcemedia ( talk) 23:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I doubt there is any coroner's report available. Death certificates and coroner's reports are not available to the general public. It is clear Walsh was a fraud, one of the most brazen in Olympic history. ALL of the "intersex" nonsense was put forward years later by trans activists seeking to justify brazen cheating by making a phony "intersex" claim. After all, more than a few of the trans have brazenly cheated in women's competition (such as Fallon Fox and Rachel McKinnon). They want to lie about what is clear just by looking at Walsh when young and when far older. He was a dude in a bad wig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.52.22 ( talk) 23:13, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
There is no evidence Walsh was "intersex." What a bunch of liars to pretend otherwise. If someone has a Y chromosome, that person is a MALE. Walsh was a cheat who should have been stripped of his medals.
How could she posses male genitalia without the Y-chromosome? I changed the 46XX to 46XY. Max Dohle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.211.184.85 ( talk) 19:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I hate liars who want to pretend Walsh was anything other than a cheat. The "intersex" meme was fabricated YEARS later. The liar in the preceding comment is no doubt a trans actvist who wants to justify a brazen cheat.There is NO evidence of "mosaicism." Walsh was clearly a dude with a bad wig. Furthermore, you are making nonsense up about Caster Semenya. Since there is NO public record of Semenya's health records, it is all b.s. speculation Semenya is "intersex."
Could we please remove this wall of transphobic ramblings? Thanks.
Detailed investigation has also revealed that she had both an XX and an XY pair of chromosomes. If detailed investigation exists, why is this sentence so undetailed? Her sexual identity is the key to understanding the article. both an XX and an XY pair of chromosomes is extremely vague. Does that mean Klinefelter's syndrome? XXYY syndrome? Or mosaicism as mentioned in a comment above? Or what else? -- ::Slomox:: >< 14:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
There isn't any, that's why. The "intersex" lie was put forward many years later, after Walsh was in jeopardy of losing his medals.Anybody with a Y chromosome is automatically a male. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.52.22 ( talk) 23:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I could be either mosaicism or chimerism. I don't think there's any way for us to know now. This source says mosaicism, but I highly doubt they did genetic testing to figure out which. http://0-www.britannica.com.libra.naz.edu/EBchecked/topic/1367962/Stanislawa-Walasiewicz-The-Curious-Story-of-Stella-Walsh
Also the article appears to say her chromosomes were XO and XX, which is NOT the same thing as XY and XX, and doesn not appear to be accurate nor sourced.
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-ugliestmoments/5/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.80.45.147 ( talk) 03:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Looks very sciende fiction to me. How did they do research on her chromosomes? You need living cells for that kind of research. She was dead! Ambigues genitals, you say. Well that could be anything. |
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My grandmother was born of a Belorussian man and a Eukranian mother who immigrated to the US and then met and married- in 1912. They were rumored to be fleeing possible retribution from the Russian Revolution, having been Tzarist. None of this can I verify.
In order to conceal themselves from Bolshevik agents rumored to seek Tzarists in the Cleveland area, my great grand-parents fled to Canada, changing their name from "Walchuk" to "Walsh".
My Grandmother was born in Cleveland in 1915 and was named "Stella". Then became Stella Walsh.
A peculiar coincidence I thought would have not connection with Intersexed Stella Walsh, but odd they both took this name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.237.207.214 ( talk) 06:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)