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'Currently, the issue of Srinagar, having become an integral part of India, stands settled beyond any doubt, in spite of certain insurgent elements operating from the soil of India, as also from outside the borders of India.'
I think much more needs to be mention about the insurgency... dealing with it in a single sentence is bypassing a major issue, and disrespect for the many people, both soldiers and civilains, who have died due to the conflict there... All I'm askng for is extending the history of the city discribe what happened there in the last 20 years.
Another point is there no mention about the impact of the insurgency on tourism in the history section or about it limping back on growing domestic tourists population.
'truth always triumphs' (written on the Indian national emblem.
Kashmir is disputed and this is acknowledged by UNO.There are 23 resolutions in UNO regarding jammu and kashmir.India is a member of UNO and it was jawaharlal Nehru,first prime minister of india,who took kashmir issue to UNO.Hence India is bound by its commitmnt,it gave to people of J&K.People who talk of integral part theory,should ponder over this fact and talk sensibily.Till now 2 lakh people have died,fighting for the right of self determination.This is the only fact.
please all indian editors accept that it is administered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nangparbat ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I have lived my entire life in Srinagar and I have never heard the names of the following people which have been listed as leaders of Srinagar:
They might have their roots in Srinagar but they sure enough do not qualify to be called "Current leaders of the city"
Are people trying to create true and honest information on Srinagar or are we fighting to whom Srinagar belongs. And since Srinagar is the capital of a disputed territory, it should be put as such.
Wullar 12:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I request the registered as well as the anonymous editors to please stop converting this article into a battlefield. Decent discussion shall avoid wastage of time. Please do not fight here. -- Bhadani ( talk) 16:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
However, Jammu and Kashmir is Indian administered —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.133.29 ( talk) 19:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Please replace [[trekking|trekkers]] with [[Backpacking (wilderness)|trekkers]] (because Trekking is a disambiguation page). Thanks. 58.8.9.23 ( talk) 10:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Some one may organize images in wiki-commons, and give a link here. -- Bhadani 15:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I uploaded a new pano shot this spring: File:Srinagar_pano.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by KennyOMG ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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Please change " Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna." because of offensive language. 117.252.69.156 ( talk) 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
By the reference on the page ( [1]), Amritsar is a bigger city than Srinagar. Amritsar has a majority of Sikhs (78%) ( [2]) making that statement invalid. Please remove it ASAP. -- 92.9.87.247 ( talk) 21:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC) srinagar is not the state of india. srinagar is captial of indian ocupied jammu and kashmir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.23.104 ( talk) 08:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC) I don´t quite understand the last point here. The article does not say that Srinagar is a state (or does it?), so I´ll assume you mean to refer to what nation Srinagar belongs to. Did I understand this issue right? Llidstrom ( talk) 19:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Srinagar is the largest city in Indian administration with a Non-Hindu majority. Please do not word like occupied and integral, no matter what is your national affiliation. Amritsar has a Hindu plurality but not the majority. However, the district is the Sikh majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratham12Chawdhry ( talk • contribs)
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There are some additions that can be made under the heading Education
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Please remove the quoted text under Culture because the comments translated from Hindi are abusive and insulting.
"Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna."
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The following line is vulgar .. In the section on culture, last line reads...."Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna." which means there are prostitutes here. it should be deleted.
74.77.135.130 ( talk) 16:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Would it be worth inserting something about the 300 year rule of the Lohara dynasty, c. 1000 - 1300 AD/CE. They do not appear to be mentioned at all and while it is true that I am still working on the Lohara article, there is more than enough there to justify something here. Unless, of course, there was more than one Srinagar in Kashmir at that time. - Sitush ( talk) 04:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Please can someone explain to me what the connection is between the etymology of Srinagar and the two possible Ashokas? It simply does not say in the article, and then in the History section there is a totally uncited paragraph that claims the city was founded by someone completely different to these two possibles. This is messy beyond belief.
This link to Kalhana (Aurel Stein's translation) shows Stein's analysis at p. 75, saying that Kalhana believes Asjoka founded the original city close to the present site but unfortunately I cannot determine (due to ignorance, I suspect) which Ashoka he is referring to. In any event, this should be a citation because it is in the critique section rather than the primary source itself. I just don't know which Ashoka to stick the cite next to! Thoughts would be welcomed. - Sitush ( talk) 07:31, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Srinagar pano.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 6, 2013. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2013-05-06. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
@ Sitush:, can you provide link of page where consensus on use of "official Indian languages" in lead section is accepted? Because if you read WP:INDICSCRIPT they clearly mentions that "There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. It is suggested that IPA be used for help with pronunciation." -- Vtk1987 ( talk) 09:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Having spent some time there, I'm just curious about how well corroborated this number could be, moreso how one would reliably assess such a number in such a complex municipality. Wikibearwithme ( talk) 08:15, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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This cemetery fails the notability criteria for WP:NBUILD due to the lack of the significant coverage, that is expected. In such cases merging it with the settlement article is an accepted WP:ATD DBig Xrayᗙ 19:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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there are few lines that are discriminatory towards the people of Srinagar and the freedom fighter, Srinagar in not an Indian state and it's an Indian occupied territory under UN Resolution of Kashmir 1948 until the Referendum his held. simply stating Srinagar as Indian state Capital in offensive towards the life sacrificed by the oppressed freedom fighters and the people raped or killed by Indian army, this statement should immediately be changed thank you , from azad jamu kashmir 39.41.129.17 ( talk) 05:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
[6] [3] [7] all of this is just out of a cursory look at the page. I could go on and on. I suggest the issues i took up in support of the editor who made this request be discussed at length and an impartial decision by editors who would not have any previous history of editing on kashmir related pages decide because everyone is influnced by their prejudices one way the other and its only natural. Again, there are far more experienced editors than me. if i was able to dig this much up in half an hour, i suppose there would be more qualified editors to take this forward. Mhveinvp ( talk) 13:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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Some believe the Martyr's Tomb in Srinagar is the tomb of Jesus Christ. e.g., http://www.spinninglobe.net/jesustombpol.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.159.146.186 ( talk) 03:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Change "Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir" to "Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir" FixingALie ( talk) 20:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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14:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Please see the discussion at the India wikiproject noticeboard aiming to craft standardised neutral ledes for some top-level Kashmir-related article, including possibly this one. Abecedare ( talk) 19:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi there, I think this article suffers from a curious case of mispronunciation. The lead states the pronunciation is [sriːnəɡər] and while it's been years since I was there I'm quite sure locals pronounce it as [ʃriːnəɡər] (ie "Shrinagar"). I understand the issue with Hindi script and all (which was the reason my request to rename the article in the Hungarian wiki was shut down a few years ago) but I think Wiki should also respect how locals say the name of their own city even ifthat flies in the face of grammar. A case can also be made that there are very few (are there any?) other place names Sri xxx where the Sri is pronounced as "s" instead of "sh". If there are any locals who can weigh in it would be great. -- KennyOMG ( talk) 22:33, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Regarding
this edit by 1990'sguy. The number 1250173 is of the
Srinagar district as clearly written in the source
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Srinagar district. The Srinagar is the city article, so for the parameter |city=
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this (1,180,570) and for |metro=
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this old version for example, before one user
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Request to delete the street dog controversy from politics section. Qwertyuiop84919 ( talk) 19:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
. Read also: Srinagar MC to sterilise, vaccinate 50,000 dogs in 6 months - Hindustan Times. Srinagar's dogs are more prominent than any other city, especially contrasting population. Rishabhbhat ( talk) 05:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Animal rights activists vowed to go to court to stop the slaughter planned by Srinagar city, saying it is an illegal and cruel solution to a problem that could be better addressed with other methods.
Kashmiri What is your problem? Do address here. LearnIndology ( talk) 02:26, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
every etymology in the world is obscureis sufficient to ask you not to edit on etymology anywhere on Wikipedia? As you might know, competency is absolutely required in this project. By the way, yes, a mid-19th century book is of much concern because it was written before modern linguistics was developed. And no, a folk etymology must not be presented as an "alternative theory", much like pseudoscience must not be presented as a scientific theory.
‘city of Fortune’, [Name] of two towns (one situated in the district of Caunpore, the other in Bundelcund)– it's not about this Srinagar anyway. The quote given for ref #14 (Sufi's book) doesn't appear to be in the text (at least not when I search for it on the google books item linked there). Ref #15 (Rabbani's book) contains exactly the same lengthy passage as ref #14; I can't see the wider context from the google books snippet, but it doesn't appear to be formatted as a quote, so most likely one of the books had plagiarised from the other. We can't cite both here, and we definitely should not support plagiarism. Also, it's unclear, in the wikipedia text, which of the two etymologies these texts are supposed to support. – Uanfala (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Kashmiri: has already noted about issues arising from usage of old works in the field of linguistics. Deriving from that and HISTRS, comments about LearnIndology's sources at this version:-
...There are real shortcomings. Khan's explanations are not always consistent. Some of his conclusions do not seem grounded in the text. Footnotes and bibliography are extensive but difficult to reconcile and utilize. In the end the reader grasps Srinagar's past uncertainly but may appreciate more fully the socioeconomic complexities underlying modern Kashmir's turbulent history.Obviously, it is the best HISTRS in linguistics.
TrangaBellam ( talk) 17:08, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
I would say that we don't really need HISTRS for etymologies. Anybody that can reliably record the local tradition is good enough, but let us note that it is the local tradition and be done with it. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:54, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, looking at GMD Sufi, I notice that he explicitly denies that it means the "city of sun". (pp.47-48) So there goes that theory. He also says that it was simply called the "city of Kashmir" during the Muslim rule, but I notice Addisthan in Al-Biruni. He says the old name was reinstated during the Sikh rule. Do we believe that? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 00:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Good evening, I wanted to point out one factual point regarding Srinagar. In Kashmiri language itself, Srinagar is called "Sirīnagar" ( سِریٖنَگَر or سِری نَگَر). Sirī means Sun in Kashmiri language. Imranqazi90 ( talk) 23:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Returning to this issue after a while. I think Monier Williams entry is quite irrelevant because it is about surya-nagara, but there is no evidence that this city was ever called by that name. Can somebody provide sources for its name in Kashmiri and its Kashmiri meaning? @ Imranqazi90, Uanfala, Kashmiri, TrangaBellam, and LearnIndology: -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 22:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
to burn, flame, diffuse light" (H1). Classical meaning is "
śrī in the sense of 'diffusing light or radiance'; light, luster, radiance, splendor, glory, beauty, grace, loveliness" (H3). Note that there is no mention of goddess Laskshmi or wealth. Since Asoka also built a Buddhist monastery next to the city, the idea that he named it after goddess Lakshmi would also be far-fetched.
TI, please gain a consensus in favor if you wish to reinsert the content. My edit-summary is self-explanatory. TrangaBellam ( talk) 14:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
.So i would kindly ask indians to kindly stop writing that it is Surya nagar . KasheerParast ( talk) 12:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
As per 2021 Nepal census, the population of Kathmandu city is 845,767 only which is below than its count in 2011 Nepal census 975,000. Srinagar is now the largest city proper in Himalayas. Though the urban metropolitan population of the densely populated Kathmandu valley is 2.9 million as per 2021 Nepal census. So, experts decide either which is larger? city population or metro (incl. suburb) population?
Source: Central Bureau of Statistics 2022
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ADD Iqbal Memorial Institute in the List of Schools in Srinagar 2405:201:5504:60D2:F93D:88C4:E73A:5A61 ( talk) 11:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Maya Kheer Bhawani has a rich history as thousands of Kashmiri Pandits visit the holy temple every year during Ashtami. 2405:201:4017:80DB:80A0:E9D:30CB:BC2D ( talk) 19:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Srinagar's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ladakh-britannica-current":
Ladakh, large area of the northern and eastern Kashmir region, northwestern Indian subcontinent. Administratively, Ladakh is divided between Pakistan (northwest), as part of Gilgit-Baltistan, and India (southeast), as part of Ladakh union territory (until October 31, 2019, part of Jammu and Kashmir state); in addition, China administers portions of northeastern Ladakh.
Ladakh, large area of the northern and eastern Kashmir region, northwestern Indian subcontinent. Administratively, Ladakh is divided between Pakistan (northwest), as part of Gilgit-Baltistan, and India (southeast), as part of Ladakh union territory (until October 31, 2019, part of Jammu and Kashmir state); in addition, China administers portions of northeastern Ladakh.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:50, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ UnpetitproleX: Please note that the 2019 consensus was for the larger regions, the administrative subdivisions, the districts, and the capitals.
As you can see, there were 6 admins aboard and in addition quite a few others. It would be very odd that the large subdivisions would be described in NPOV language, but their capitals would not. We had already thought about this in 2019.
Please do not edit war; otherwise, I will get admin help, not least from those that were a part of the consensus. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 06:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks for generalising it to districts and district capitals. I agree that the dates can be omitted. "Disputed between India, Pakistan and China" should be good enough. My main concerning the overwhelming amount of quotations. I suggest that we use the full portfolio of quotations for the top-level pages, and limit to 1-2 quotations for the lower level pages. The full list of citations can still be present in all of them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Version A: Srinagar (English: /ˈsriːnəɡər/ , Kashmiri pronunciation: [siriːnagar]) is the largest city and the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir, a region administered by India as a union territory and part of the larger disputed region of Kashmir.
Version B: Srinagar (English: /ˈsriːnəɡər/ , Kashmiri pronunciation: [siriːnagar]) is the largest city and the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir, India.
Srinagar, city, summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir union territory (Jammu is the winter capital), northern India, situated in the Kashmir region of the Indian subcontinent. The city lies along the banks of the Jhelum River at an elevation of 5,200 feet (1,600 metres) in the Vale of Kashmir.As for version B, I’m not married to its wording. But version A has its own problems too: it introduces the dispute in the first line with “the larger disputed region of Kashmir” but offers nothing on the dispute. Obviously, any detail about the dispute in the very first line would be highly undue and out of place. An alternative would be a footnote after “…by India as a UT.” UnpetitproleX ( talk) 22:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
While most countries sent just local staff to the tourism conference, Pakistani allies China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey skipped the event. However, only China, which also has a border dispute with neighboring India, issued a condemnation. ... Fernand de Varennes, U.N. special rapporteur on minority issues, recently criticized the meeting, saying that by hosting the session in Kashmir, "India is seeking to normalize what some have described as a military occupation.
I am going to stay uninvolved and not express an opinion regarding the article (actually, I don't have an opinion as I am not sufficiently familiar with the background or the history of related discussions at Wikipedia). However, the first set of changes in UnpetitproleX's diff adds two flag icons in the infobox. I see an edit summary by Fowler&fowler with "no flagicons per Kashmir-infobox consensus of September 2019 and MOS:INFOBOXFLAG last sentence". I do not know what standard procedure is in this area, but F&F's edit summary looks plausible to me. @UnpetitproleX: Do you still want flags? What is the justification? Johnuniq ( talk) 04:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
In light of
region. (corrected in light of Unprol*X's valid point about the incorrect use of "Himalayan." 23:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC))
I've left some horizontal spaces for ease of comprehension; they won't go in the actual text. By Abecedare's argument, the last noun phrase in the proposal (which could be changed with the use of a comma and some shuffling to the appositive, "a subregion of the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir,") is essential: we can't leave the reader hanging with "—administered," without also addressing a reader's potential puzzlement over why it is only "administered" and not an integral part of. I will soon post something on the format of the infobox and further address Johnuniq's remarks. Best, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Infobox: You can see the NPOV infobox format for Srinagar [ here. I will soon add the citations. Note I have changed the map to be consistent with the one in Delhi and the FA Darjeeling. We can't use the pushpin map (e.g. here) as it seems to insinuate sovereignty (besides the fact that it has very little information). I will make similar changes for the other capitals. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Kashmir map Oh, and I just remembered something about the Kashmir-region map, File:Kashmir Region November 2019.jpg. This is a (relatively) lower-res CIA map which is based on a higher-res Library of Congress map. @ Uanfala:, for example, had complained that the CIA map was not big enough in extent to give a reader a good idea of the geographical context. (There is a larger inset map of South Asia.) The problem with the LOC map was that it had the old labels from the time when the Kashmir region had not been administratively rearranged by the administering countries. About a year ago, I had updated that map to show the new divisions. It is displayed here. I would like to change the old map to this new one in the five large regions: Jammu and Kashmir (union territory), Ladakh, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, and Aksai Chin. A-C in particular is much more precisely described in the new map, as is (I think) the Kashmir valley. My personal favorite was the eight-thousander Nanga Parbat whose dramatic Rupal face you can actually see on the map. (It should be somewhere below Gilgit). I recall @ RegentsPark: had encouraged me to include the other 8000ers, which I have (all near K2).
I know some of these things should properly be done elsewhere (e.g. WT:INDIA where the original discussions had been held, but I'm flat out of time, and the iron is hot, or there is a tide in the affairs, so we must take it at the flood. If the spell is broken, by moving elsewhere, what's a guarantee that among the unfamiliars that discussion will not sputter, and the discussion will be set back by another year or two or three? Please grant me this benefaction. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
PS I've added a second, interactive, map in the Jammu and Kashmir (union territory) page (see here). If you click on it you can immediately see the place of J&K in a much larger region. Uanfala had suggested that such a map might go first (up top) and the LOC/CIA map below, but I am reticent about doing that as we already have a longstanding consensus on the CIA map. Changing it to a high-res map on which it is based is a minor change, but essentially replacing it (as the primary) map with another map will create all sorts of issues, including the prospect of redoing the August 2019 consensus. I would rather let it sit as the second map below the LOC/CIA, for which there will be little objection. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Oppose proposal in its current form;
This is amply reflected in
reliable
tertiary sources (like Britannica). Encyclopaedia Britannica’s articles on the capitals do not mention the dispute, the Kashmir article and the subdivision articles do. Here is what the lead paragraphs of those articles say:
Srinagar “Srinagar, city, summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir union territory (Jammu is the winter capital), northern India, situated in the Kashmir region of the Indian subcontinent. The city lies along the banks of the Jhelum River at an elevation of 5,200 feet (1,600 metres) in the Vale of Kashmir.
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Jammu “Jammu, city, winter capital of Jammu and Kashmir union territory, northern India. It lies in the southwestern part of Jammu and Kashmir along the Tawi River, south of Srinagar (the summer capital), and to the north is the Siwalik Range.
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Leh “Leh, town, Ladakh union territory, northern India. The town is located in the valley of the upper Indus River at an elevation of 11,550 feet (3,520 metres), surrounded by the towering peaks of the Ladakh Range (a southeastern extension of the Karakoram Range).
”;
Gilgit “Gilgit, town in Gilgit-Baltistan, part of the Pakistani-administered sector of the Kashmir region, in the northern Indian subcontinent. It is situated in the Karakoram Range in a narrow valley on the Gilgit River at its confluence with the Hunza River and about 20 miles (32 km) upstream from its confluence with the Indus River.
”; they do not have one for Muzzafarbad or Kargil town (but do for Kargil district/region).
Status quo on the status of entities in the Kashmir region to be maintained pending future RfCs. Hatting because the discussion is going astray. RegentsPark ( comment) 13:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Change Kashmirt to Kashmir 2A02:C7B:114:2800:7110:9EB8:3D23:4E5F ( talk) 01:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
@ UnpetitproleX, may I ask you to double-check references number 40, 43 and 45? They're all to Khan (1981), which is not present in the source list – possibly typoes for Khan (1978) or Rabbani (1981), but I don't have access to those sources to check. Thanks! Wham2001 ( talk) 09:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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'Currently, the issue of Srinagar, having become an integral part of India, stands settled beyond any doubt, in spite of certain insurgent elements operating from the soil of India, as also from outside the borders of India.'
I think much more needs to be mention about the insurgency... dealing with it in a single sentence is bypassing a major issue, and disrespect for the many people, both soldiers and civilains, who have died due to the conflict there... All I'm askng for is extending the history of the city discribe what happened there in the last 20 years.
Another point is there no mention about the impact of the insurgency on tourism in the history section or about it limping back on growing domestic tourists population.
'truth always triumphs' (written on the Indian national emblem.
Kashmir is disputed and this is acknowledged by UNO.There are 23 resolutions in UNO regarding jammu and kashmir.India is a member of UNO and it was jawaharlal Nehru,first prime minister of india,who took kashmir issue to UNO.Hence India is bound by its commitmnt,it gave to people of J&K.People who talk of integral part theory,should ponder over this fact and talk sensibily.Till now 2 lakh people have died,fighting for the right of self determination.This is the only fact.
please all indian editors accept that it is administered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nangparbat ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I have lived my entire life in Srinagar and I have never heard the names of the following people which have been listed as leaders of Srinagar:
They might have their roots in Srinagar but they sure enough do not qualify to be called "Current leaders of the city"
Are people trying to create true and honest information on Srinagar or are we fighting to whom Srinagar belongs. And since Srinagar is the capital of a disputed territory, it should be put as such.
Wullar 12:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I request the registered as well as the anonymous editors to please stop converting this article into a battlefield. Decent discussion shall avoid wastage of time. Please do not fight here. -- Bhadani ( talk) 16:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
However, Jammu and Kashmir is Indian administered —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.133.29 ( talk) 19:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Please replace [[trekking|trekkers]] with [[Backpacking (wilderness)|trekkers]] (because Trekking is a disambiguation page). Thanks. 58.8.9.23 ( talk) 10:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Some one may organize images in wiki-commons, and give a link here. -- Bhadani 15:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I uploaded a new pano shot this spring: File:Srinagar_pano.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by KennyOMG ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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Please change " Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna." because of offensive language. 117.252.69.156 ( talk) 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
By the reference on the page ( [1]), Amritsar is a bigger city than Srinagar. Amritsar has a majority of Sikhs (78%) ( [2]) making that statement invalid. Please remove it ASAP. -- 92.9.87.247 ( talk) 21:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC) srinagar is not the state of india. srinagar is captial of indian ocupied jammu and kashmir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.23.104 ( talk) 08:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC) I don´t quite understand the last point here. The article does not say that Srinagar is a state (or does it?), so I´ll assume you mean to refer to what nation Srinagar belongs to. Did I understand this issue right? Llidstrom ( talk) 19:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Srinagar is the largest city in Indian administration with a Non-Hindu majority. Please do not word like occupied and integral, no matter what is your national affiliation. Amritsar has a Hindu plurality but not the majority. However, the district is the Sikh majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratham12Chawdhry ( talk • contribs)
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There are some additions that can be made under the heading Education
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Please remove the quoted text under Culture because the comments translated from Hindi are abusive and insulting.
"Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna."
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The following line is vulgar .. In the section on culture, last line reads...."Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna." which means there are prostitutes here. it should be deleted.
74.77.135.130 ( talk) 16:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Would it be worth inserting something about the 300 year rule of the Lohara dynasty, c. 1000 - 1300 AD/CE. They do not appear to be mentioned at all and while it is true that I am still working on the Lohara article, there is more than enough there to justify something here. Unless, of course, there was more than one Srinagar in Kashmir at that time. - Sitush ( talk) 04:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Please can someone explain to me what the connection is between the etymology of Srinagar and the two possible Ashokas? It simply does not say in the article, and then in the History section there is a totally uncited paragraph that claims the city was founded by someone completely different to these two possibles. This is messy beyond belief.
This link to Kalhana (Aurel Stein's translation) shows Stein's analysis at p. 75, saying that Kalhana believes Asjoka founded the original city close to the present site but unfortunately I cannot determine (due to ignorance, I suspect) which Ashoka he is referring to. In any event, this should be a citation because it is in the critique section rather than the primary source itself. I just don't know which Ashoka to stick the cite next to! Thoughts would be welcomed. - Sitush ( talk) 07:31, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Srinagar pano.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 6, 2013. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2013-05-06. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
@ Sitush:, can you provide link of page where consensus on use of "official Indian languages" in lead section is accepted? Because if you read WP:INDICSCRIPT they clearly mentions that "There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. It is suggested that IPA be used for help with pronunciation." -- Vtk1987 ( talk) 09:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Having spent some time there, I'm just curious about how well corroborated this number could be, moreso how one would reliably assess such a number in such a complex municipality. Wikibearwithme ( talk) 08:15, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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This cemetery fails the notability criteria for WP:NBUILD due to the lack of the significant coverage, that is expected. In such cases merging it with the settlement article is an accepted WP:ATD DBig Xrayᗙ 19:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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there are few lines that are discriminatory towards the people of Srinagar and the freedom fighter, Srinagar in not an Indian state and it's an Indian occupied territory under UN Resolution of Kashmir 1948 until the Referendum his held. simply stating Srinagar as Indian state Capital in offensive towards the life sacrificed by the oppressed freedom fighters and the people raped or killed by Indian army, this statement should immediately be changed thank you , from azad jamu kashmir 39.41.129.17 ( talk) 05:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
[6] [3] [7] all of this is just out of a cursory look at the page. I could go on and on. I suggest the issues i took up in support of the editor who made this request be discussed at length and an impartial decision by editors who would not have any previous history of editing on kashmir related pages decide because everyone is influnced by their prejudices one way the other and its only natural. Again, there are far more experienced editors than me. if i was able to dig this much up in half an hour, i suppose there would be more qualified editors to take this forward. Mhveinvp ( talk) 13:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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Some believe the Martyr's Tomb in Srinagar is the tomb of Jesus Christ. e.g., http://www.spinninglobe.net/jesustombpol.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.159.146.186 ( talk) 03:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Change "Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir" to "Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir" FixingALie ( talk) 20:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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14:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Please see the discussion at the India wikiproject noticeboard aiming to craft standardised neutral ledes for some top-level Kashmir-related article, including possibly this one. Abecedare ( talk) 19:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi there, I think this article suffers from a curious case of mispronunciation. The lead states the pronunciation is [sriːnəɡər] and while it's been years since I was there I'm quite sure locals pronounce it as [ʃriːnəɡər] (ie "Shrinagar"). I understand the issue with Hindi script and all (which was the reason my request to rename the article in the Hungarian wiki was shut down a few years ago) but I think Wiki should also respect how locals say the name of their own city even ifthat flies in the face of grammar. A case can also be made that there are very few (are there any?) other place names Sri xxx where the Sri is pronounced as "s" instead of "sh". If there are any locals who can weigh in it would be great. -- KennyOMG ( talk) 22:33, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Regarding
this edit by 1990'sguy. The number 1250173 is of the
Srinagar district as clearly written in the source
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Srinagar district. The Srinagar is the city article, so for the parameter |city=
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this (1,180,570) and for |metro=
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this old version for example, before one user
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Request to delete the street dog controversy from politics section. Qwertyuiop84919 ( talk) 19:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
. Read also: Srinagar MC to sterilise, vaccinate 50,000 dogs in 6 months - Hindustan Times. Srinagar's dogs are more prominent than any other city, especially contrasting population. Rishabhbhat ( talk) 05:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Animal rights activists vowed to go to court to stop the slaughter planned by Srinagar city, saying it is an illegal and cruel solution to a problem that could be better addressed with other methods.
Kashmiri What is your problem? Do address here. LearnIndology ( talk) 02:26, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
every etymology in the world is obscureis sufficient to ask you not to edit on etymology anywhere on Wikipedia? As you might know, competency is absolutely required in this project. By the way, yes, a mid-19th century book is of much concern because it was written before modern linguistics was developed. And no, a folk etymology must not be presented as an "alternative theory", much like pseudoscience must not be presented as a scientific theory.
‘city of Fortune’, [Name] of two towns (one situated in the district of Caunpore, the other in Bundelcund)– it's not about this Srinagar anyway. The quote given for ref #14 (Sufi's book) doesn't appear to be in the text (at least not when I search for it on the google books item linked there). Ref #15 (Rabbani's book) contains exactly the same lengthy passage as ref #14; I can't see the wider context from the google books snippet, but it doesn't appear to be formatted as a quote, so most likely one of the books had plagiarised from the other. We can't cite both here, and we definitely should not support plagiarism. Also, it's unclear, in the wikipedia text, which of the two etymologies these texts are supposed to support. – Uanfala (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Kashmiri: has already noted about issues arising from usage of old works in the field of linguistics. Deriving from that and HISTRS, comments about LearnIndology's sources at this version:-
...There are real shortcomings. Khan's explanations are not always consistent. Some of his conclusions do not seem grounded in the text. Footnotes and bibliography are extensive but difficult to reconcile and utilize. In the end the reader grasps Srinagar's past uncertainly but may appreciate more fully the socioeconomic complexities underlying modern Kashmir's turbulent history.Obviously, it is the best HISTRS in linguistics.
TrangaBellam ( talk) 17:08, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
I would say that we don't really need HISTRS for etymologies. Anybody that can reliably record the local tradition is good enough, but let us note that it is the local tradition and be done with it. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:54, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, looking at GMD Sufi, I notice that he explicitly denies that it means the "city of sun". (pp.47-48) So there goes that theory. He also says that it was simply called the "city of Kashmir" during the Muslim rule, but I notice Addisthan in Al-Biruni. He says the old name was reinstated during the Sikh rule. Do we believe that? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 00:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Good evening, I wanted to point out one factual point regarding Srinagar. In Kashmiri language itself, Srinagar is called "Sirīnagar" ( سِریٖنَگَر or سِری نَگَر). Sirī means Sun in Kashmiri language. Imranqazi90 ( talk) 23:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Returning to this issue after a while. I think Monier Williams entry is quite irrelevant because it is about surya-nagara, but there is no evidence that this city was ever called by that name. Can somebody provide sources for its name in Kashmiri and its Kashmiri meaning? @ Imranqazi90, Uanfala, Kashmiri, TrangaBellam, and LearnIndology: -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 22:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
to burn, flame, diffuse light" (H1). Classical meaning is "
śrī in the sense of 'diffusing light or radiance'; light, luster, radiance, splendor, glory, beauty, grace, loveliness" (H3). Note that there is no mention of goddess Laskshmi or wealth. Since Asoka also built a Buddhist monastery next to the city, the idea that he named it after goddess Lakshmi would also be far-fetched.
TI, please gain a consensus in favor if you wish to reinsert the content. My edit-summary is self-explanatory. TrangaBellam ( talk) 14:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
.So i would kindly ask indians to kindly stop writing that it is Surya nagar . KasheerParast ( talk) 12:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
As per 2021 Nepal census, the population of Kathmandu city is 845,767 only which is below than its count in 2011 Nepal census 975,000. Srinagar is now the largest city proper in Himalayas. Though the urban metropolitan population of the densely populated Kathmandu valley is 2.9 million as per 2021 Nepal census. So, experts decide either which is larger? city population or metro (incl. suburb) population?
Source: Central Bureau of Statistics 2022
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ADD Iqbal Memorial Institute in the List of Schools in Srinagar 2405:201:5504:60D2:F93D:88C4:E73A:5A61 ( talk) 11:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Maya Kheer Bhawani has a rich history as thousands of Kashmiri Pandits visit the holy temple every year during Ashtami. 2405:201:4017:80DB:80A0:E9D:30CB:BC2D ( talk) 19:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Srinagar's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ladakh-britannica-current":
Ladakh, large area of the northern and eastern Kashmir region, northwestern Indian subcontinent. Administratively, Ladakh is divided between Pakistan (northwest), as part of Gilgit-Baltistan, and India (southeast), as part of Ladakh union territory (until October 31, 2019, part of Jammu and Kashmir state); in addition, China administers portions of northeastern Ladakh.
Ladakh, large area of the northern and eastern Kashmir region, northwestern Indian subcontinent. Administratively, Ladakh is divided between Pakistan (northwest), as part of Gilgit-Baltistan, and India (southeast), as part of Ladakh union territory (until October 31, 2019, part of Jammu and Kashmir state); in addition, China administers portions of northeastern Ladakh.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:50, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ UnpetitproleX: Please note that the 2019 consensus was for the larger regions, the administrative subdivisions, the districts, and the capitals.
As you can see, there were 6 admins aboard and in addition quite a few others. It would be very odd that the large subdivisions would be described in NPOV language, but their capitals would not. We had already thought about this in 2019.
Please do not edit war; otherwise, I will get admin help, not least from those that were a part of the consensus. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 06:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks for generalising it to districts and district capitals. I agree that the dates can be omitted. "Disputed between India, Pakistan and China" should be good enough. My main concerning the overwhelming amount of quotations. I suggest that we use the full portfolio of quotations for the top-level pages, and limit to 1-2 quotations for the lower level pages. The full list of citations can still be present in all of them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Version A: Srinagar (English: /ˈsriːnəɡər/ , Kashmiri pronunciation: [siriːnagar]) is the largest city and the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir, a region administered by India as a union territory and part of the larger disputed region of Kashmir.
Version B: Srinagar (English: /ˈsriːnəɡər/ , Kashmiri pronunciation: [siriːnagar]) is the largest city and the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir, India.
Srinagar, city, summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir union territory (Jammu is the winter capital), northern India, situated in the Kashmir region of the Indian subcontinent. The city lies along the banks of the Jhelum River at an elevation of 5,200 feet (1,600 metres) in the Vale of Kashmir.As for version B, I’m not married to its wording. But version A has its own problems too: it introduces the dispute in the first line with “the larger disputed region of Kashmir” but offers nothing on the dispute. Obviously, any detail about the dispute in the very first line would be highly undue and out of place. An alternative would be a footnote after “…by India as a UT.” UnpetitproleX ( talk) 22:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
While most countries sent just local staff to the tourism conference, Pakistani allies China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey skipped the event. However, only China, which also has a border dispute with neighboring India, issued a condemnation. ... Fernand de Varennes, U.N. special rapporteur on minority issues, recently criticized the meeting, saying that by hosting the session in Kashmir, "India is seeking to normalize what some have described as a military occupation.
I am going to stay uninvolved and not express an opinion regarding the article (actually, I don't have an opinion as I am not sufficiently familiar with the background or the history of related discussions at Wikipedia). However, the first set of changes in UnpetitproleX's diff adds two flag icons in the infobox. I see an edit summary by Fowler&fowler with "no flagicons per Kashmir-infobox consensus of September 2019 and MOS:INFOBOXFLAG last sentence". I do not know what standard procedure is in this area, but F&F's edit summary looks plausible to me. @UnpetitproleX: Do you still want flags? What is the justification? Johnuniq ( talk) 04:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
In light of
region. (corrected in light of Unprol*X's valid point about the incorrect use of "Himalayan." 23:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC))
I've left some horizontal spaces for ease of comprehension; they won't go in the actual text. By Abecedare's argument, the last noun phrase in the proposal (which could be changed with the use of a comma and some shuffling to the appositive, "a subregion of the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir,") is essential: we can't leave the reader hanging with "—administered," without also addressing a reader's potential puzzlement over why it is only "administered" and not an integral part of. I will soon post something on the format of the infobox and further address Johnuniq's remarks. Best, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Infobox: You can see the NPOV infobox format for Srinagar [ here. I will soon add the citations. Note I have changed the map to be consistent with the one in Delhi and the FA Darjeeling. We can't use the pushpin map (e.g. here) as it seems to insinuate sovereignty (besides the fact that it has very little information). I will make similar changes for the other capitals. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Kashmir map Oh, and I just remembered something about the Kashmir-region map, File:Kashmir Region November 2019.jpg. This is a (relatively) lower-res CIA map which is based on a higher-res Library of Congress map. @ Uanfala:, for example, had complained that the CIA map was not big enough in extent to give a reader a good idea of the geographical context. (There is a larger inset map of South Asia.) The problem with the LOC map was that it had the old labels from the time when the Kashmir region had not been administratively rearranged by the administering countries. About a year ago, I had updated that map to show the new divisions. It is displayed here. I would like to change the old map to this new one in the five large regions: Jammu and Kashmir (union territory), Ladakh, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, and Aksai Chin. A-C in particular is much more precisely described in the new map, as is (I think) the Kashmir valley. My personal favorite was the eight-thousander Nanga Parbat whose dramatic Rupal face you can actually see on the map. (It should be somewhere below Gilgit). I recall @ RegentsPark: had encouraged me to include the other 8000ers, which I have (all near K2).
I know some of these things should properly be done elsewhere (e.g. WT:INDIA where the original discussions had been held, but I'm flat out of time, and the iron is hot, or there is a tide in the affairs, so we must take it at the flood. If the spell is broken, by moving elsewhere, what's a guarantee that among the unfamiliars that discussion will not sputter, and the discussion will be set back by another year or two or three? Please grant me this benefaction. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 19:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
PS I've added a second, interactive, map in the Jammu and Kashmir (union territory) page (see here). If you click on it you can immediately see the place of J&K in a much larger region. Uanfala had suggested that such a map might go first (up top) and the LOC/CIA map below, but I am reticent about doing that as we already have a longstanding consensus on the CIA map. Changing it to a high-res map on which it is based is a minor change, but essentially replacing it (as the primary) map with another map will create all sorts of issues, including the prospect of redoing the August 2019 consensus. I would rather let it sit as the second map below the LOC/CIA, for which there will be little objection. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Oppose proposal in its current form;
This is amply reflected in
reliable
tertiary sources (like Britannica). Encyclopaedia Britannica’s articles on the capitals do not mention the dispute, the Kashmir article and the subdivision articles do. Here is what the lead paragraphs of those articles say:
Srinagar “Srinagar, city, summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir union territory (Jammu is the winter capital), northern India, situated in the Kashmir region of the Indian subcontinent. The city lies along the banks of the Jhelum River at an elevation of 5,200 feet (1,600 metres) in the Vale of Kashmir.
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Jammu “Jammu, city, winter capital of Jammu and Kashmir union territory, northern India. It lies in the southwestern part of Jammu and Kashmir along the Tawi River, south of Srinagar (the summer capital), and to the north is the Siwalik Range.
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Leh “Leh, town, Ladakh union territory, northern India. The town is located in the valley of the upper Indus River at an elevation of 11,550 feet (3,520 metres), surrounded by the towering peaks of the Ladakh Range (a southeastern extension of the Karakoram Range).
”;
Gilgit “Gilgit, town in Gilgit-Baltistan, part of the Pakistani-administered sector of the Kashmir region, in the northern Indian subcontinent. It is situated in the Karakoram Range in a narrow valley on the Gilgit River at its confluence with the Hunza River and about 20 miles (32 km) upstream from its confluence with the Indus River.
”; they do not have one for Muzzafarbad or Kargil town (but do for Kargil district/region).
Status quo on the status of entities in the Kashmir region to be maintained pending future RfCs. Hatting because the discussion is going astray. RegentsPark ( comment) 13:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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@ UnpetitproleX, may I ask you to double-check references number 40, 43 and 45? They're all to Khan (1981), which is not present in the source list – possibly typoes for Khan (1978) or Rabbani (1981), but I don't have access to those sources to check. Thanks! Wham2001 ( talk) 09:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)