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Do you feel we should mention games produced by Square Co., Ltd. before they were an independent company? As pointed out in my King's Knight article, King's Knight was not, in fact, the first game that Square developed. It WAS the first they developed as Square Co., Ltd. However, they produced and/or published no less than six games simply as "Square": The Death Trap, Will, Thexder, Dragon Slayer, Cruise Chaser Blassty, and Alpha, respectively. Thexder was developed by Game Arts and published by Square for the Famicom, and Dragon Slayer was produced by Falcom but published by Square for the MSX, while the rest were produced and published by Square. Most of these games were released on various Japanese computers (notably the NEC PC-8801 and PC-8901) and never saw light outside of Japan. I have the release months and years if you guys are interested in placing this on the site.
EDIT: I also notice that massive gaps of games are missing in any given platform. There is some debate as to why they shouldn't be included, since this is an English version of Wikipedia, and these games (i.e. 'Square's Tom Sawyer' for Famicom) were never ported to English-speaking countries. On the other hand, Final Fantasy III never saw an English release, but is still listed. One could argue that Final Fantasy III is more relevant since it's part of Square's flagship series and, furthermore, it has had an (albeit unofficial) English translation. These arguments don't hold much water, however.
Finally, I'm wondering if I'm the only one that cares to advance this discussion and/or edit the site. :/ Somebody prove me wrong. - Tristam 12:49 a.m., 24 Jul 2005 (CST)
"Squaresoft" was never the name of the company to begin with, it's only a brand name they (used to) employ. The Japanese company name was Square Co., Ltd. although it did have a US subsidiary called Square Soft, Inc. Of course, it's all Square Enix now.
That's what I thought too, can anybody confirm this for sure? If it's true, then I think we should move Squaresoft content to Square (Videogame company) or something like that and add a redirect from Squaresoft. -- xDCDx 13:38, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Of course not, someboy altered my coment, I have restored it. My proposal was renaming the article to Square (Videogame company), which was the actual name of the company before the merger. -- xDCDx 20:01, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm not exactly willing to stake my life on this, but it was my understanding that the name "Squaresoft" was only used as a brand by Square during the 16-bit era: while my imported copy of Live A Live, for instance, bears the Squaresoft name, my imported copy of Final Fantasy VII does not. American localizations continued to use the "Squaresoft" name because it was still the name of the American branch, not because the parent corporation was still actively using it as a brand name. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though. – Seancdaug 17:57, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think the merger with Enix should be somehow given in the first paragraph, currently the lead in sounds like the company doesn't exist anymore at all. I think a simple "It merged with Enix in ... and became part of Square Enix." should be enough. The article should also tell the reader at the beginning, why this company is relevant, currently it launches straight in the history of the company, which, imho, should be under a History heading below the ToC. -- 84.184.105.203 12:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
i've been trying to find this font for years (the italic futura-looking one with the red triangle A). is it an actual font of which square licensed a modification, or is it a custom font commissioned exclusively for square? -alex rosario —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.27 ( talk) 22:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
It is a three sentence blurb that can be covered in this article without its own whole article, and makes this article more comprehensive. Judgesurreal777 ( talk) 15:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Square Co. →
Square (company) —
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies): "When disambiguation is needed, the legal status, an appended "(company)", or other suffix can be used to disambiguate". "Square Co." is not a commonly used name and it gives off the wrong vibe that "Co." is the legal status, when in fact it is "Co., Ltd.". Either move to "Square (company)" or "Square Co., Ltd.".
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Hello there as you know I've grew up with Squaresofts Nintendo games in the 1980s and 1990s. When the America Squaresoft brought games from Japan around 1987. They made it available and made NES and SNES games aimed at families and kids. Of course this was in the days of video game censorship. Anyways they make Final Fantasy 1 for NES. Squaresoft also made Final Fantasy 4, Mystic quest and 6. They also made The Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire 1, Secret of Evermore and Super Mario RPG. They didn't have any swearing, there was a little violence in the NES and SNES games. But those Nintendo RPGs had a great story.
Then in 1997 the America Squaresoft team left Nintendo and Partnered with the Playstation company and made Playstation RPG games aimed at Teens and Adults. They made the very first teen swearing, real violent Final Fantasy 7 game. They continued on with putting swearing and violence in Final Fantasy 8, 9, 10 and Tactics. And also made other Teen RPG playstation 1 games. Then they made a Final Fantasy movie which didn't do too well at the box office.
Then Squaresoft merged with Enix and they still continue to making Teen swearing and violent RPG games.
Anyways this is only my thoughts about my feelings toward Squaresoft when it made wonderful RPG games to bad teen RPG games. Due to neutral point of view of wikipedia I cannot post it in the wikipedia page as it is not mine. I just wanted people to know there used to be a time when Squaresoft made clean family friendly RPG games in the NES, SNES Nintendo era. I hope this article is ok to be in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrosswalkX ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Is there an interview or other external material that explains the origins of the company's name: Square? (Which I find amusing considering the company logo clearly contains a triangle.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.231.159.204 ( talk) 07:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
The History of Square – 1992 Developer Interview originally featured in Dengeki SFC magazine TarkusAB talk 12:45, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 23:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Square (company) → Square (video game company) – This current title seems like WP:INCOMPLETEDAB because of Square, Inc. The common name for that Square is also "Square" - their logo, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and website all use it undisambiguated. Seems hard to argue that Square (company) could not easily point to both pages here. (For what it's worth, the Square, Inc. page is viewed much more than Square (company), so I have to imagine there could be some WP:ASTONISH at play.) Nohomersryan ( talk) 20:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Discussion has failed to establish Square (Enix) as the primary topic for companies named "Square". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 23:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Square (video game company) → Square (company) – Square, Inc. has been moved to Block, Inc., making the less concise disambiguation unnecessary, as there is no other article that is a company called "Square". The article can be moved back to its former name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 21:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
*Oppose, as the company might change its name back again, there may be other entities appearing that use Square, and there isn't really a problem with the current title. --
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I have completed the copyedit requested by ProtoDrake at WP:GOCE. The article was generally well-written, though I happened to come across some sourcing issues while copyediting, some of which I have tagged in the article. I would advise this page's major contributor(s) to double-check the sourcing, as there were some statements that did not match what the source was saying, such as this diff about the reason for hiring more staff. I may be missing some information that is presented in the Japanese-language sources though, so do let me know if that is the case. Otherwise, the article is pretty well written and was fun to go through. Feel free to post here if there are any other questions! Yeeno ( talk) 20:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Due to recent edits between myself and LTPHarry in regards to the overseas subsidiaries/studios of Square, I'd like a wider discussion on how much detail to include. And how many sources are needed. Pinging @ PresN, Blue Pumpkin Pie, and Judgesurreal777: to help with this. ProtoDrake ( talk) 07:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Also pinging @ Sergecross73:. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 23:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
@ PresN, Judgesurreal777, and LTPHarry: I've done an edit to the page. Working from an older revision, I added in information, trimmed down bloat, and rearranged the section as a whole to better reflect things. All the subsidiaries are now in one place. I also addressed a couple of information mistakes I made regarding Square USA. It may still look rather choppy, but I was trying to go by subject and detail rather than chronologically. PLus the subsidiaries are...a mess. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 10:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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I'll pick this one up. It's a long one and probably will take a lot of work. But it's worth it, considering its importance. Shooterwalker ( talk) 02:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
We can pause there. Thanks again for your work and your patience. Shooterwalker ( talk) 20:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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Improved to Good Article status by ProtoDrake ( talk). Self-nominated at 15:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Square (video game company); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Did you know?" column on
June 25, 2023. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Japanese game developer
Square was told to "never come back" by
Nintendo after shifting production to the
PlayStation? | ||||||||||||
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Do you feel we should mention games produced by Square Co., Ltd. before they were an independent company? As pointed out in my King's Knight article, King's Knight was not, in fact, the first game that Square developed. It WAS the first they developed as Square Co., Ltd. However, they produced and/or published no less than six games simply as "Square": The Death Trap, Will, Thexder, Dragon Slayer, Cruise Chaser Blassty, and Alpha, respectively. Thexder was developed by Game Arts and published by Square for the Famicom, and Dragon Slayer was produced by Falcom but published by Square for the MSX, while the rest were produced and published by Square. Most of these games were released on various Japanese computers (notably the NEC PC-8801 and PC-8901) and never saw light outside of Japan. I have the release months and years if you guys are interested in placing this on the site.
EDIT: I also notice that massive gaps of games are missing in any given platform. There is some debate as to why they shouldn't be included, since this is an English version of Wikipedia, and these games (i.e. 'Square's Tom Sawyer' for Famicom) were never ported to English-speaking countries. On the other hand, Final Fantasy III never saw an English release, but is still listed. One could argue that Final Fantasy III is more relevant since it's part of Square's flagship series and, furthermore, it has had an (albeit unofficial) English translation. These arguments don't hold much water, however.
Finally, I'm wondering if I'm the only one that cares to advance this discussion and/or edit the site. :/ Somebody prove me wrong. - Tristam 12:49 a.m., 24 Jul 2005 (CST)
"Squaresoft" was never the name of the company to begin with, it's only a brand name they (used to) employ. The Japanese company name was Square Co., Ltd. although it did have a US subsidiary called Square Soft, Inc. Of course, it's all Square Enix now.
That's what I thought too, can anybody confirm this for sure? If it's true, then I think we should move Squaresoft content to Square (Videogame company) or something like that and add a redirect from Squaresoft. -- xDCDx 13:38, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Of course not, someboy altered my coment, I have restored it. My proposal was renaming the article to Square (Videogame company), which was the actual name of the company before the merger. -- xDCDx 20:01, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm not exactly willing to stake my life on this, but it was my understanding that the name "Squaresoft" was only used as a brand by Square during the 16-bit era: while my imported copy of Live A Live, for instance, bears the Squaresoft name, my imported copy of Final Fantasy VII does not. American localizations continued to use the "Squaresoft" name because it was still the name of the American branch, not because the parent corporation was still actively using it as a brand name. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though. – Seancdaug 17:57, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think the merger with Enix should be somehow given in the first paragraph, currently the lead in sounds like the company doesn't exist anymore at all. I think a simple "It merged with Enix in ... and became part of Square Enix." should be enough. The article should also tell the reader at the beginning, why this company is relevant, currently it launches straight in the history of the company, which, imho, should be under a History heading below the ToC. -- 84.184.105.203 12:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
i've been trying to find this font for years (the italic futura-looking one with the red triangle A). is it an actual font of which square licensed a modification, or is it a custom font commissioned exclusively for square? -alex rosario —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.27 ( talk) 22:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
It is a three sentence blurb that can be covered in this article without its own whole article, and makes this article more comprehensive. Judgesurreal777 ( talk) 15:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Square Co. →
Square (company) —
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies): "When disambiguation is needed, the legal status, an appended "(company)", or other suffix can be used to disambiguate". "Square Co." is not a commonly used name and it gives off the wrong vibe that "Co." is the legal status, when in fact it is "Co., Ltd.". Either move to "Square (company)" or "Square Co., Ltd.".
Prime Blue (
talk)
18:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello there as you know I've grew up with Squaresofts Nintendo games in the 1980s and 1990s. When the America Squaresoft brought games from Japan around 1987. They made it available and made NES and SNES games aimed at families and kids. Of course this was in the days of video game censorship. Anyways they make Final Fantasy 1 for NES. Squaresoft also made Final Fantasy 4, Mystic quest and 6. They also made The Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire 1, Secret of Evermore and Super Mario RPG. They didn't have any swearing, there was a little violence in the NES and SNES games. But those Nintendo RPGs had a great story.
Then in 1997 the America Squaresoft team left Nintendo and Partnered with the Playstation company and made Playstation RPG games aimed at Teens and Adults. They made the very first teen swearing, real violent Final Fantasy 7 game. They continued on with putting swearing and violence in Final Fantasy 8, 9, 10 and Tactics. And also made other Teen RPG playstation 1 games. Then they made a Final Fantasy movie which didn't do too well at the box office.
Then Squaresoft merged with Enix and they still continue to making Teen swearing and violent RPG games.
Anyways this is only my thoughts about my feelings toward Squaresoft when it made wonderful RPG games to bad teen RPG games. Due to neutral point of view of wikipedia I cannot post it in the wikipedia page as it is not mine. I just wanted people to know there used to be a time when Squaresoft made clean family friendly RPG games in the NES, SNES Nintendo era. I hope this article is ok to be in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrosswalkX ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Is there an interview or other external material that explains the origins of the company's name: Square? (Which I find amusing considering the company logo clearly contains a triangle.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.231.159.204 ( talk) 07:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
The History of Square – 1992 Developer Interview originally featured in Dengeki SFC magazine TarkusAB talk 12:45, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 23:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Square (company) → Square (video game company) – This current title seems like WP:INCOMPLETEDAB because of Square, Inc. The common name for that Square is also "Square" - their logo, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and website all use it undisambiguated. Seems hard to argue that Square (company) could not easily point to both pages here. (For what it's worth, the Square, Inc. page is viewed much more than Square (company), so I have to imagine there could be some WP:ASTONISH at play.) Nohomersryan ( talk) 20:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Discussion has failed to establish Square (Enix) as the primary topic for companies named "Square". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 23:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Square (video game company) → Square (company) – Square, Inc. has been moved to Block, Inc., making the less concise disambiguation unnecessary, as there is no other article that is a company called "Square". The article can be moved back to its former name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 21:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
*Oppose, as the company might change its name back again, there may be other entities appearing that use Square, and there isn't really a problem with the current title. --
ProtoDrake (
talk)
09:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I have completed the copyedit requested by ProtoDrake at WP:GOCE. The article was generally well-written, though I happened to come across some sourcing issues while copyediting, some of which I have tagged in the article. I would advise this page's major contributor(s) to double-check the sourcing, as there were some statements that did not match what the source was saying, such as this diff about the reason for hiring more staff. I may be missing some information that is presented in the Japanese-language sources though, so do let me know if that is the case. Otherwise, the article is pretty well written and was fun to go through. Feel free to post here if there are any other questions! Yeeno ( talk) 20:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Due to recent edits between myself and LTPHarry in regards to the overseas subsidiaries/studios of Square, I'd like a wider discussion on how much detail to include. And how many sources are needed. Pinging @ PresN, Blue Pumpkin Pie, and Judgesurreal777: to help with this. ProtoDrake ( talk) 07:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Also pinging @ Sergecross73:. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 23:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
@ PresN, Judgesurreal777, and LTPHarry: I've done an edit to the page. Working from an older revision, I added in information, trimmed down bloat, and rearranged the section as a whole to better reflect things. All the subsidiaries are now in one place. I also addressed a couple of information mistakes I made regarding Square USA. It may still look rather choppy, but I was trying to go by subject and detail rather than chronologically. PLus the subsidiaries are...a mess. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 10:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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I'll pick this one up. It's a long one and probably will take a lot of work. But it's worth it, considering its importance. Shooterwalker ( talk) 02:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
We can pause there. Thanks again for your work and your patience. Shooterwalker ( talk) 20:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
BorgQueen (
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21:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by ProtoDrake ( talk). Self-nominated at 15:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Square (video game company); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.