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Is salt really considered a spice? If not, the reference to it could be deleted from this article. -- Heron
The present definition of spice still excludes salt. Is there any scientific basis for this? If not, it should be adapted to include salt. Kipala ( talk) 17:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Whenever I read "popular misconception" my antennae go up. In part because in fact the "misconception" may be correct, but especially in Wikipedia, because it signals someone is perhaps overeager to be there with the most authoritative understanding. I feel that's what's going on with the 80 word explanation in this relatively short article about how chefs in the Middle Ages used spice to one degree or another. What's particularly unappealing is what in Wikipedia would possibly qualify as Original Research on the part of the reference. Did medieval cooks use spices to "cover" less pleasant tastes? (Or rather, emphasize predictable ones that everyone liked?) Surely. Why would they be any different than cooks today? Was this generally NOT a problem for the rich or for special occasions? Well, obviously. Too much effort here is being spent refuting, essentially, the notion that rich people had to eat bad or rotting food. I'm scaling the statement back, accordingly. 98.210.208.107 ( talk) 12:54, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. A lifetime studying medieval food has shown me no evidence whatever that spices were used to cover up bad or rotten tastes. No idea at all where the idea originates. Glynhughes ( talk) 14:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I started a new article, Table of plants used as herbs or spices, but I have both finite time and a finite knowledge base (most of the entries I have added so far were basically me going "So, I know X is an herb or spice, what species does the wikipedia page say it is?"). It is under threat of deletion. Please add to it... Tamtrible ( talk) 01:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding Allspice. 49.199.210.218 ( talk) 17:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
The tab on research doesn’t add much information and much more notable information including other researches on spices could be in its place, I think it should be removed, it might also be wp:PROMO Bobisland ( talk) 07:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
i think my edit should stay up as they reflect the source and is common scientific knowledge, stating spices have no known health benefits contradicts the source Bobisland ( talk) 12:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I think, garlic and many seeds are quite nutrient-rich in terma of minerals, vitamins, fats and proteins. Aren't they? Reciprocist ( talk) 10:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Salt is a spice 2001:14BB:696:5E30:1065:593B:6602:EA8E ( talk) 14:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Kent Dominic insists that "at the table", in the context of "e.g. peppercorns ground at the table", is "ambiguous", using words in an edit summary to the effect of "It could be a counter, or a tray, or a picnic blanket..." The text in question is explicitly given as an example, not to be considered exhaustive. In an earlier edit comment, he makes the specious claim that it "excludes" other examples. I maintain that it is common usage for things done to a dish (e.g. cooking, finishing, seasoning, garnishing, etc.) at the table instead of in the kitchen, or other prep area. This simple phrase is self-explanatory, needing no further elaboration.
Of course, Wikipedia cannot be a reference for itself, but I offer that as evidence that this usage is tolerated, or even favored, by enough WP editors that it is not unclear, nor an error. I will now go restore the common usage. Just plain Bill ( talk) 17:35, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
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Is salt really considered a spice? If not, the reference to it could be deleted from this article. -- Heron
The present definition of spice still excludes salt. Is there any scientific basis for this? If not, it should be adapted to include salt. Kipala ( talk) 17:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Whenever I read "popular misconception" my antennae go up. In part because in fact the "misconception" may be correct, but especially in Wikipedia, because it signals someone is perhaps overeager to be there with the most authoritative understanding. I feel that's what's going on with the 80 word explanation in this relatively short article about how chefs in the Middle Ages used spice to one degree or another. What's particularly unappealing is what in Wikipedia would possibly qualify as Original Research on the part of the reference. Did medieval cooks use spices to "cover" less pleasant tastes? (Or rather, emphasize predictable ones that everyone liked?) Surely. Why would they be any different than cooks today? Was this generally NOT a problem for the rich or for special occasions? Well, obviously. Too much effort here is being spent refuting, essentially, the notion that rich people had to eat bad or rotting food. I'm scaling the statement back, accordingly. 98.210.208.107 ( talk) 12:54, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. A lifetime studying medieval food has shown me no evidence whatever that spices were used to cover up bad or rotten tastes. No idea at all where the idea originates. Glynhughes ( talk) 14:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I started a new article, Table of plants used as herbs or spices, but I have both finite time and a finite knowledge base (most of the entries I have added so far were basically me going "So, I know X is an herb or spice, what species does the wikipedia page say it is?"). It is under threat of deletion. Please add to it... Tamtrible ( talk) 01:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding Allspice. 49.199.210.218 ( talk) 17:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
The tab on research doesn’t add much information and much more notable information including other researches on spices could be in its place, I think it should be removed, it might also be wp:PROMO Bobisland ( talk) 07:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
i think my edit should stay up as they reflect the source and is common scientific knowledge, stating spices have no known health benefits contradicts the source Bobisland ( talk) 12:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I think, garlic and many seeds are quite nutrient-rich in terma of minerals, vitamins, fats and proteins. Aren't they? Reciprocist ( talk) 10:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Salt is a spice 2001:14BB:696:5E30:1065:593B:6602:EA8E ( talk) 14:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Kent Dominic insists that "at the table", in the context of "e.g. peppercorns ground at the table", is "ambiguous", using words in an edit summary to the effect of "It could be a counter, or a tray, or a picnic blanket..." The text in question is explicitly given as an example, not to be considered exhaustive. In an earlier edit comment, he makes the specious claim that it "excludes" other examples. I maintain that it is common usage for things done to a dish (e.g. cooking, finishing, seasoning, garnishing, etc.) at the table instead of in the kitchen, or other prep area. This simple phrase is self-explanatory, needing no further elaboration.
Of course, Wikipedia cannot be a reference for itself, but I offer that as evidence that this usage is tolerated, or even favored, by enough WP editors that it is not unclear, nor an error. I will now go restore the common usage. Just plain Bill ( talk) 17:35, 1 October 2023 (UTC)