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Per the Brownsville Herald, the Environmental Impact Statement on the proposed Texas location won't be out until at least April 2014. Here's the link: [1] N2e ( talk) 14:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Sources worth noting on the EIS release:
The FAA has released the stipulations that are incumbent upon SpaceX with respect to the effects of the new launch site on a variety of historic properties that the recent FAA EIS has identified. This could be used to improve some aspects of the article about the Texas launch site. Here is the link: FAA Programmatic Agreement re construction and operation of the SpaceX Texas Launch Site in Cameron County, Texas, June 2014. N2e ( talk) 16:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I've begun an extensive edit to reflect the (now likely) selection of the Texas location, the completion of the final EIS by the FAA, and general article cleanup and updating (which had been tagged/requested since April 2014). Will endeavor to use the inuse template when making lots of edits over a few hours, and the under construction template at other times, until I am done.
Feel free to help update the article when the "inuse" template is not in place. N2e ( talk) 05:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
At the end of a press conference today, Musk apparently confirmed the south Texas selection, but did allow for the need to obtain final environmental approvals. Here's a brief from the Chronicle journalist: Elon Musk on Texas spaceport: “We’ll probably have that site active in a couple of years.”. I'm sure longer-form articles will be out on this soon. N2e ( talk) 18:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, SpaceX announced Brownsville is the location, on 4 August 2014. Article has been updated with the initial announcement-related detail. Feel free to expand as more info becomes available, or from many of the sources already identified on this Talk page. N2e ( talk) 19:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Brownsville is at 26°N 97°W. By Miami (80°W) an eastward launch will have cos(17°)≈.96 of original latitude, passing just south of Key Largo and Nassau, Bahamas. Launching 3° south of east would pass half a degree farther south, clearing Key West and passing between North Andros and Mangrove Cay. Gulf of Mexico oil platforms do not appear to be far south enough to interfere. Wonder what the Caribbean Island problems are? Passing south of Cuba into the Caribbean Sea itself would be a much higher inclination. -- JWB ( talk) 23:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
The construction bids for dual-path fiber-optic runs from U. Texas out to STARGATE/SpaceX launch site are out. [5] Bids due on 12 March. N2e ( talk) 13:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
The article is currently named SpaceX private launch site, because the FAA refers to the facility by that name in the Draft EIS released in April 2013. As far as I know, the facility does not yet have a "proper noun" name given by SpaceX, which is appropriate since the launch site could still be located in several different US States. Thus, usage of the lower-case "... private launch site" terms in the article name. When we locate a better/more correct name, we can rename the article then. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 14:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
This has now occurred. See section below— Talk:SpaceX_private_launch_site#Time_for_an_article_name_change—where an article move has been proposed. N2e ( talk) 03:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Given that SpaceX is now referring to the launch site as the "SpaceX South Texas Launch Site", and that name has now been used in a secondary source (news article) as well as on the (primary source) company website, I propose that the article be moved from SpaceX private launch site to SpaceX South Texas Launch Site.
Why is this article formatted for DMY while discussing a site in the United States along with a Use American English tag? AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 14:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
With the opening of the Rocket Lab Launch Complex 1 in New Zealand, I would suppose this claim needs to be removed from the article, unless there is a nuance I'm missing. I don't think so however, since the site is commercial/private, and Electron is an orbital rocket. — Huntster ( t @ c) 01:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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I've updated the article, with a secondary source from CBS News, of the SpaceX offers to buy out all house owners in Boca Chica Village for 3x fair market value.
I just located a copy of the letter sent to residents, slightly redacted. It is here: SpaceX offer letter, September 2019. As a primary source, I'm uncertain of whether it might help if used in the article or not. Opinions welcome. N2e ( talk) 03:44, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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I lodged a !vote of "oppose" to the recent name change proposal, and continue to think it is too soon to rename the article. Still, it is probably useful to begin to collect mainline media (secondary) sources that we run into that use various terms. I'll start. N2e ( talk) 03:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
SpaceX South Texas launch site → Starbase – SpaceX put up a large sign with text "STARBASE" today, so presumably Starbase is the common name of the site now. Want to assess community opinion on whether we should rename this article to "Starbase". osunpokeh ( talk) 07:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Texas oil regulators issued a decision today in the issue of the (very) old oil and gas lease on some of the land that SpaceX has purchased and has been using for some time in the Boca Chica build facility. Musk Wins SpaceX Starbase Land Dispute in Texas Regulator Vote, Bloomberg News, 3 August 2021. Might be useful for the article if this dispute ever makes it into the article historical prose. Will definitely be useful if the losing side decides to take it further in the court system. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 01:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
This article has quite a bit of photojournalism of the development of the South Texas launch site, particularly over 2019 to early July 2020. Aerial photos of SpaceX's Starship site reveal the stunning evolution of its Mars-rocket facility amid a South Texas beach community, Dave Mosher, Business Insider, 10 July 2020. Could be quite useful to improving the quality of the article. N2e ( talk) 05:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@ N2e: recent CC satellite photo TGCP ( talk) 17:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Rosbif73: Let's completely forget about Boca Chica Village for just a moment and focus on the actual subject of this article; the launch site itself. Does a company labeling their private property a certain name – in this case, SpaceX referring to their launch site in Cameron County as "Starbase" – not make said name official? In what situation would a name given to a private property by its owner not be, by definition, official? — Molly Brown ( talk) 03:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Amortias ( T)( C) 20:12, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
SpaceX South Texas launch site → SpaceX Starbase – Now, it is not WP:TOOSOON, since most publications now use Starbase instead of Boca Chica launch site or South Texas launch site. Google Trends + Starbase google search v. South Texas launch site google search CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 04:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC) CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 04:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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Per the Brownsville Herald, the Environmental Impact Statement on the proposed Texas location won't be out until at least April 2014. Here's the link: [1] N2e ( talk) 14:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Sources worth noting on the EIS release:
The FAA has released the stipulations that are incumbent upon SpaceX with respect to the effects of the new launch site on a variety of historic properties that the recent FAA EIS has identified. This could be used to improve some aspects of the article about the Texas launch site. Here is the link: FAA Programmatic Agreement re construction and operation of the SpaceX Texas Launch Site in Cameron County, Texas, June 2014. N2e ( talk) 16:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I've begun an extensive edit to reflect the (now likely) selection of the Texas location, the completion of the final EIS by the FAA, and general article cleanup and updating (which had been tagged/requested since April 2014). Will endeavor to use the inuse template when making lots of edits over a few hours, and the under construction template at other times, until I am done.
Feel free to help update the article when the "inuse" template is not in place. N2e ( talk) 05:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
At the end of a press conference today, Musk apparently confirmed the south Texas selection, but did allow for the need to obtain final environmental approvals. Here's a brief from the Chronicle journalist: Elon Musk on Texas spaceport: “We’ll probably have that site active in a couple of years.”. I'm sure longer-form articles will be out on this soon. N2e ( talk) 18:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, SpaceX announced Brownsville is the location, on 4 August 2014. Article has been updated with the initial announcement-related detail. Feel free to expand as more info becomes available, or from many of the sources already identified on this Talk page. N2e ( talk) 19:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Brownsville is at 26°N 97°W. By Miami (80°W) an eastward launch will have cos(17°)≈.96 of original latitude, passing just south of Key Largo and Nassau, Bahamas. Launching 3° south of east would pass half a degree farther south, clearing Key West and passing between North Andros and Mangrove Cay. Gulf of Mexico oil platforms do not appear to be far south enough to interfere. Wonder what the Caribbean Island problems are? Passing south of Cuba into the Caribbean Sea itself would be a much higher inclination. -- JWB ( talk) 23:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
The construction bids for dual-path fiber-optic runs from U. Texas out to STARGATE/SpaceX launch site are out. [5] Bids due on 12 March. N2e ( talk) 13:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
The article is currently named SpaceX private launch site, because the FAA refers to the facility by that name in the Draft EIS released in April 2013. As far as I know, the facility does not yet have a "proper noun" name given by SpaceX, which is appropriate since the launch site could still be located in several different US States. Thus, usage of the lower-case "... private launch site" terms in the article name. When we locate a better/more correct name, we can rename the article then. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 14:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
This has now occurred. See section below— Talk:SpaceX_private_launch_site#Time_for_an_article_name_change—where an article move has been proposed. N2e ( talk) 03:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Given that SpaceX is now referring to the launch site as the "SpaceX South Texas Launch Site", and that name has now been used in a secondary source (news article) as well as on the (primary source) company website, I propose that the article be moved from SpaceX private launch site to SpaceX South Texas Launch Site.
Why is this article formatted for DMY while discussing a site in the United States along with a Use American English tag? AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 14:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
With the opening of the Rocket Lab Launch Complex 1 in New Zealand, I would suppose this claim needs to be removed from the article, unless there is a nuance I'm missing. I don't think so however, since the site is commercial/private, and Electron is an orbital rocket. — Huntster ( t @ c) 01:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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I've updated the article, with a secondary source from CBS News, of the SpaceX offers to buy out all house owners in Boca Chica Village for 3x fair market value.
I just located a copy of the letter sent to residents, slightly redacted. It is here: SpaceX offer letter, September 2019. As a primary source, I'm uncertain of whether it might help if used in the article or not. Opinions welcome. N2e ( talk) 03:44, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of SpaceX South Texas Launch Site's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "nsf20190403":
Reference named "nsf20190725":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:06, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
I lodged a !vote of "oppose" to the recent name change proposal, and continue to think it is too soon to rename the article. Still, it is probably useful to begin to collect mainline media (secondary) sources that we run into that use various terms. I'll start. N2e ( talk) 03:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
SpaceX South Texas launch site → Starbase – SpaceX put up a large sign with text "STARBASE" today, so presumably Starbase is the common name of the site now. Want to assess community opinion on whether we should rename this article to "Starbase". osunpokeh ( talk) 07:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Texas oil regulators issued a decision today in the issue of the (very) old oil and gas lease on some of the land that SpaceX has purchased and has been using for some time in the Boca Chica build facility. Musk Wins SpaceX Starbase Land Dispute in Texas Regulator Vote, Bloomberg News, 3 August 2021. Might be useful for the article if this dispute ever makes it into the article historical prose. Will definitely be useful if the losing side decides to take it further in the court system. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 01:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
This article has quite a bit of photojournalism of the development of the South Texas launch site, particularly over 2019 to early July 2020. Aerial photos of SpaceX's Starship site reveal the stunning evolution of its Mars-rocket facility amid a South Texas beach community, Dave Mosher, Business Insider, 10 July 2020. Could be quite useful to improving the quality of the article. N2e ( talk) 05:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@ N2e: recent CC satellite photo TGCP ( talk) 17:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Rosbif73: Let's completely forget about Boca Chica Village for just a moment and focus on the actual subject of this article; the launch site itself. Does a company labeling their private property a certain name – in this case, SpaceX referring to their launch site in Cameron County as "Starbase" – not make said name official? In what situation would a name given to a private property by its owner not be, by definition, official? — Molly Brown ( talk) 03:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Amortias ( T)( C) 20:12, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
SpaceX South Texas launch site → SpaceX Starbase – Now, it is not WP:TOOSOON, since most publications now use Starbase instead of Boca Chica launch site or South Texas launch site. Google Trends + Starbase google search v. South Texas launch site google search CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 04:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC) CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 04:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)