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24.189.3.230 said BUT: they're different, that's like saying a Canadian is the same thing as a South African!!!!
User:Dbachmann requested that this article should be merged with Balkans, without giving any reason.
Gsarwa ( talk) 06:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
From a political standpoint....that's another discussion. Numaru7 ( talk) 20:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing this section as I have waited more than three weeks and the material is still absolutely unreferenced.
This theory is listed at the Balkans article:
The father of the term "The Balkans" August Zeune defined it in 1808 to describe areas that remained under Turkish rule after 1699.
This is about the Balkans, NOT Southeast Europe and countries like Hungary, Slovakia, Austria are not included in this definition. Squash Racket ( talk) 12:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Which of the mentioned criteria is used to list the SEE Countries? The way it looks now - no criteria at all. One must take one or more criteria and then list the countries. I suggest to use UN as a reliable source. Hammer of Habsburg ( talk) 16:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Ref 6 is not reachable. Could someone correct it please? Thanks in advance. -- E4024 ( talk) 11:00, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Balkan Music has a typical rhythm. It is neither European nor Asian but a very fine fusion of both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbx911 ( talk • contribs) 13:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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Noseamuseos: your new changes in article has been reverted because southeast-europe.net is not reliable source. Map on page concerns "South East Europe Transnational Cooperation Programme", not geographical things. Also, Slovakia and Austria (see map in source) lies in South East Europe? Absurd. According to
Wikipedia:CYCLE, before new controversial changes must to be discuss and consensus. @
Tanper: your change is also controversial
[1]. Noseamuseos and Tanper - both, please not continue the edit-war. Discuss please, below.
Subtropical-man
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(en-2) 23:19, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Noseamuseos' reasoning concernig Turkey is flawed since Turkish part in SE Europe has more population than Slovenia and Croatia combined and more land mass. Not to mention its cultural influences on neighbouring countries. Few sources could list Slovenia or Croatia as SE country, but the general consensus is that they are not. There are numerous sources listing them as Central European. Tanper ( talk) 23:34, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Nice section title. Eric talk 03:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
There's been way too many OR and personal opinion edits on this, mostly from IP users from countries that don't want to see their respective countries be identified with and/or included in the broader definition of the peninsula, in any way whatsoever. This is presumably because of the widespread negative view of the region. So, to avoid this "edit clashing", I suggest just including all countries in one coherent list, rather than dividing them by territorial percentages which seem more or less arbitrary. ProKro ( talk) 18:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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There are hardly any additional informations apart from the issue of the definition of the region.
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ExpertIdeasBot ( talk) 20:17, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
There has been many discussions in different "X-ern Europe" articles about maps purporting to illustrate the region. Since many of these articles actually use a lot of space to discuss different definitions, and since none of these regions are well-defined, it has generally been concluded that any map showing a specific definition is not suitable as a top illustration. In this case, the CIA World Facebook classification map is just one of many possible classification. It is a good idea to use the map, but it will have to be in a separate subsection under the "Definition" section. I have reinserted the former top map and created a new subsection for the CIA classification.
Regarding the other map presented with caption "Countries in Southeast Europe", I have again removed it. For one thing, it is of very low technical quality. Secondly, it is inaccurate (colouring parts of Greece and Bulgaria as Turkish). And thirdly, it is not consistent with any of the definitions of SE Europe presented in the article. -- T*U ( talk) 13:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Should we include an infobox here. I feel it would be a good visual and would benefit this article greatly. 2600:100C:A211:38E7:3099:5E76:3DC8:D156 ( talk) 20:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Haven't you looked at it map of Europe? The longest river in Europe is the Volga, which flows into the Caspian Sea. That is wher South Eastern Europe is. PS Anatolia is in Western Asia Stop being stupid 46.97.168.251 ( talk) 15:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
In the section "Geographical Southeast Europe" there is a list of countries that are, according to the text, "geographically, at least partially, described to be within the region". A source is given: Jelavich, Barbara (1983a). History of the Balkans: Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries. Vol. 1. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9780521274586. as well as pages 1-3 where the reader is supposed to find this information. I am reading the source right now and the term "Southeast Europe" isn't mentioned anywhere on those pages, nor is there a list of countries belonging to said region. I might be missing something so please correct me if I am wrong. In case nobody corrects me I will deem the section to be unsourced and consequently delete it. — GeographieMan[ ~MSG~ 18:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I understand you are quoting a paper when you classify Croatia as Central Europe by cultural criteria, but that doesn't make it factually correct. There is no comparison between the cultural similarities of Croatia and other Southeastern European countries and the cultural similarities of Croatia and Hungary, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Austria, etc. (Central European countries). Croatians have almost the same language as Bosnians and Serbians, share the same traditions, have similar traditional meals, and so much more. Whoever wrote the paper you are quoting either has no idea what they were writing or has an agenda to distance Croatia from other Southeastern European countries by spreading misinformation. Since Wikipedia is about facts, I don't think misinformation should have a place on this site, regardless of who wrote it. 176.220.89.185 ( talk) 22:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Claiming that Croatia is culturally closer to Germany, Poland, Austria, etc. than it is to Serbia and Bosnia and Hercegovina is beyond rediculous. 176.220.89.185 ( talk) 22:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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24.189.3.230 said BUT: they're different, that's like saying a Canadian is the same thing as a South African!!!!
User:Dbachmann requested that this article should be merged with Balkans, without giving any reason.
Gsarwa ( talk) 06:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
From a political standpoint....that's another discussion. Numaru7 ( talk) 20:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing this section as I have waited more than three weeks and the material is still absolutely unreferenced.
This theory is listed at the Balkans article:
The father of the term "The Balkans" August Zeune defined it in 1808 to describe areas that remained under Turkish rule after 1699.
This is about the Balkans, NOT Southeast Europe and countries like Hungary, Slovakia, Austria are not included in this definition. Squash Racket ( talk) 12:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Which of the mentioned criteria is used to list the SEE Countries? The way it looks now - no criteria at all. One must take one or more criteria and then list the countries. I suggest to use UN as a reliable source. Hammer of Habsburg ( talk) 16:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Ref 6 is not reachable. Could someone correct it please? Thanks in advance. -- E4024 ( talk) 11:00, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Balkan Music has a typical rhythm. It is neither European nor Asian but a very fine fusion of both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbx911 ( talk • contribs) 13:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
@
Noseamuseos: your new changes in article has been reverted because southeast-europe.net is not reliable source. Map on page concerns "South East Europe Transnational Cooperation Programme", not geographical things. Also, Slovakia and Austria (see map in source) lies in South East Europe? Absurd. According to
Wikipedia:CYCLE, before new controversial changes must to be discuss and consensus. @
Tanper: your change is also controversial
[1]. Noseamuseos and Tanper - both, please not continue the edit-war. Discuss please, below.
Subtropical-man
talk
(en-2) 23:19, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Noseamuseos' reasoning concernig Turkey is flawed since Turkish part in SE Europe has more population than Slovenia and Croatia combined and more land mass. Not to mention its cultural influences on neighbouring countries. Few sources could list Slovenia or Croatia as SE country, but the general consensus is that they are not. There are numerous sources listing them as Central European. Tanper ( talk) 23:34, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Nice section title. Eric talk 03:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
There's been way too many OR and personal opinion edits on this, mostly from IP users from countries that don't want to see their respective countries be identified with and/or included in the broader definition of the peninsula, in any way whatsoever. This is presumably because of the widespread negative view of the region. So, to avoid this "edit clashing", I suggest just including all countries in one coherent list, rather than dividing them by territorial percentages which seem more or less arbitrary. ProKro ( talk) 18:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Urban has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:
Some background information on the Stability Pact such as the breakup of former Yugoslavia and the wars on the Balkan Peninsula are missing.
We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.
We believe Dr. Urban has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:
ExpertIdeasBot ( talk) 16:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Dr. Holzner has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:
There are hardly any additional informations apart from the issue of the definition of the region.
We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.
We believe Dr. Holzner has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:
ExpertIdeasBot ( talk) 20:17, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
There has been many discussions in different "X-ern Europe" articles about maps purporting to illustrate the region. Since many of these articles actually use a lot of space to discuss different definitions, and since none of these regions are well-defined, it has generally been concluded that any map showing a specific definition is not suitable as a top illustration. In this case, the CIA World Facebook classification map is just one of many possible classification. It is a good idea to use the map, but it will have to be in a separate subsection under the "Definition" section. I have reinserted the former top map and created a new subsection for the CIA classification.
Regarding the other map presented with caption "Countries in Southeast Europe", I have again removed it. For one thing, it is of very low technical quality. Secondly, it is inaccurate (colouring parts of Greece and Bulgaria as Turkish). And thirdly, it is not consistent with any of the definitions of SE Europe presented in the article. -- T*U ( talk) 13:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Should we include an infobox here. I feel it would be a good visual and would benefit this article greatly. 2600:100C:A211:38E7:3099:5E76:3DC8:D156 ( talk) 20:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Haven't you looked at it map of Europe? The longest river in Europe is the Volga, which flows into the Caspian Sea. That is wher South Eastern Europe is. PS Anatolia is in Western Asia Stop being stupid 46.97.168.251 ( talk) 15:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
In the section "Geographical Southeast Europe" there is a list of countries that are, according to the text, "geographically, at least partially, described to be within the region". A source is given: Jelavich, Barbara (1983a). History of the Balkans: Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries. Vol. 1. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9780521274586. as well as pages 1-3 where the reader is supposed to find this information. I am reading the source right now and the term "Southeast Europe" isn't mentioned anywhere on those pages, nor is there a list of countries belonging to said region. I might be missing something so please correct me if I am wrong. In case nobody corrects me I will deem the section to be unsourced and consequently delete it. — GeographieMan[ ~MSG~ 18:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I understand you are quoting a paper when you classify Croatia as Central Europe by cultural criteria, but that doesn't make it factually correct. There is no comparison between the cultural similarities of Croatia and other Southeastern European countries and the cultural similarities of Croatia and Hungary, Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Austria, etc. (Central European countries). Croatians have almost the same language as Bosnians and Serbians, share the same traditions, have similar traditional meals, and so much more. Whoever wrote the paper you are quoting either has no idea what they were writing or has an agenda to distance Croatia from other Southeastern European countries by spreading misinformation. Since Wikipedia is about facts, I don't think misinformation should have a place on this site, regardless of who wrote it. 176.220.89.185 ( talk) 22:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Claiming that Croatia is culturally closer to Germany, Poland, Austria, etc. than it is to Serbia and Bosnia and Hercegovina is beyond rediculous. 176.220.89.185 ( talk) 22:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)