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I made some pretty extensive changes, based primarily on the couple of years that I lived in England and Swansea, Wales. I think that it is important to note the connection between South Wales and the M4, as well as the Anglican nature of South Wales as compared with the rest of Wales. Jdfoote 06:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Why have I changed Breconshire to Powys ? For the very simple reason that Wikipedia is about providing information to everyone and anuone and for the very great majority of the world the divisions of Wales are the current administrative boundaries and not the old ceremonial counties. Can you please provide a justification as to why I should promote counties that have no meaning to most people living in 2006 ? The ceremonial counties aren't even on any modern maps ! Velela 09:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=514778&in_page_id=1770
do you think this is notable enough to add in? 74.140.225.97 ( talk) 16:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
1. I've heard people mention South West England as a region, but south west UK is rarely used 2. It's quite possible that the population density is highest, but is it really the richest? I'd have thought areas like Bath or Bristol, or the Cotswalds (assuming they fall within this so-called region) would be wealthier.-- Rhyswynne ( talk) 12:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC) 76.102.31.185 ( talk) 00:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
My source, www.genuki.org.uk/big/Britain.html, states that Glamorgan is not a shire. 76.102.31.185 ( talk) 00:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
The picture does not indicate the whole of South Wales. It should be changed to fit the needs of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.245.97 ( talk) 20:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The section: 'Famous industrialised areas in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries' begins with: Merthyr Tydfil, after which this: "(Tydfil the Martyr)" is in brackets. It isn't a translation from the Welsh, as "Merthyr Tydfil" is the English version of the Welsh name of the town. It can only be a shortened etymology, I guess. Should this be here? After all, if we were to mention Leicester, or Guildford, or Birmingham etc., etc.. we wouldn't explain what it meant in modern English, would we? Thoughts? Daicaregos ( talk) 18:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
In some ways it is pointless to attempt to define a northern border to South Wales since the concept has such seeming fluidity. In any case if one (or more) versions of a border are described then they need to be on the basis of published material as per usual WP guidelines otherwise it simply amounts to speculation on the part of editors. The current text which suggests that either the A40 or A465 might define that border leaves out parts of NW Monmouthshire and the Black Mountains which hardly seems satisfactory - I am loath to suggest an alternative though - it would simply be my own personal preference (which might change from one year to the next)! cheers Geopersona ( talk) 20:39, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I've added a section on definitions to provide some historical context that helps explain current usage. Some of my changes have been undone, so I'll make a few comments here.
I do find that the opening sentence as it is to be rather misleading: 'South Wales is the region of Wales bordered by England and the Bristol Channel to the east and south, and mid Wales and west Wales to the north and west'. The article as it is goes on to discuss the fact that 'west Wales' is often be considered to be part of south Wales. These points contradict each other. That's why I'd changed the phrasing of the first sentence — to reflect the uncertainty over the western and northern borders.
I also moved the final section of the introduction to the new 'Definitions' section, as it related specifically to how we define 'south Wales'. I see that it's been reinstated in the introduction, but that means that the same material is now repeated more or less word for word.
I'd suggest then that the two issues noted here be changed back to avoid these problems. Troellwr ( talk) 13:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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I made some pretty extensive changes, based primarily on the couple of years that I lived in England and Swansea, Wales. I think that it is important to note the connection between South Wales and the M4, as well as the Anglican nature of South Wales as compared with the rest of Wales. Jdfoote 06:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Why have I changed Breconshire to Powys ? For the very simple reason that Wikipedia is about providing information to everyone and anuone and for the very great majority of the world the divisions of Wales are the current administrative boundaries and not the old ceremonial counties. Can you please provide a justification as to why I should promote counties that have no meaning to most people living in 2006 ? The ceremonial counties aren't even on any modern maps ! Velela 09:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=514778&in_page_id=1770
do you think this is notable enough to add in? 74.140.225.97 ( talk) 16:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
1. I've heard people mention South West England as a region, but south west UK is rarely used 2. It's quite possible that the population density is highest, but is it really the richest? I'd have thought areas like Bath or Bristol, or the Cotswalds (assuming they fall within this so-called region) would be wealthier.-- Rhyswynne ( talk) 12:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC) 76.102.31.185 ( talk) 00:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
My source, www.genuki.org.uk/big/Britain.html, states that Glamorgan is not a shire. 76.102.31.185 ( talk) 00:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
The picture does not indicate the whole of South Wales. It should be changed to fit the needs of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.245.97 ( talk) 20:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The section: 'Famous industrialised areas in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries' begins with: Merthyr Tydfil, after which this: "(Tydfil the Martyr)" is in brackets. It isn't a translation from the Welsh, as "Merthyr Tydfil" is the English version of the Welsh name of the town. It can only be a shortened etymology, I guess. Should this be here? After all, if we were to mention Leicester, or Guildford, or Birmingham etc., etc.. we wouldn't explain what it meant in modern English, would we? Thoughts? Daicaregos ( talk) 18:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
In some ways it is pointless to attempt to define a northern border to South Wales since the concept has such seeming fluidity. In any case if one (or more) versions of a border are described then they need to be on the basis of published material as per usual WP guidelines otherwise it simply amounts to speculation on the part of editors. The current text which suggests that either the A40 or A465 might define that border leaves out parts of NW Monmouthshire and the Black Mountains which hardly seems satisfactory - I am loath to suggest an alternative though - it would simply be my own personal preference (which might change from one year to the next)! cheers Geopersona ( talk) 20:39, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I've added a section on definitions to provide some historical context that helps explain current usage. Some of my changes have been undone, so I'll make a few comments here.
I do find that the opening sentence as it is to be rather misleading: 'South Wales is the region of Wales bordered by England and the Bristol Channel to the east and south, and mid Wales and west Wales to the north and west'. The article as it is goes on to discuss the fact that 'west Wales' is often be considered to be part of south Wales. These points contradict each other. That's why I'd changed the phrasing of the first sentence — to reflect the uncertainty over the western and northern borders.
I also moved the final section of the introduction to the new 'Definitions' section, as it related specifically to how we define 'south Wales'. I see that it's been reinstated in the introduction, but that means that the same material is now repeated more or less word for word.
I'd suggest then that the two issues noted here be changed back to avoid these problems. Troellwr ( talk) 13:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)