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Countless people have tried this, but it's all been unreliable sources like social media accounts, YouTubers, and Fansites. Any reliable sources confirming this definitely yet. It needs to stay out of the article until we do. And we need to know the role too. If they just did minor stuff like minor modeling and resource work, it's usually more of a footnote and dev section note.
Sergecross73msg me17:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Pinging
User:TheJoebro64 since we’ve gone back and forth on edits with this. In the infobox, only Senoue is listed as a composer
Template: Infobox video game states to list any composers with significant contribution to the soundtrack should be listed. Most Sonic game pages on Wikipedia list more composers than just leads, as these composers have composed multiple songs for these respective games. See pages such as
Sonic Unleashed or
Sonic Adventure 2 for examples. I would say Lopes has significantly contributed to the soundtrack. He has composed multiple songs for the game, more than any of the other composers outside of Senoue. In the most recent revert
User:TheJoebro64 mentioned why we should single out Lopes when not listing any of the other composers on the game, such as Shoji. As mentioned, Lopes has significantly contributed to the soundtrack composing multiple tracks while the others seem to have only composed a song or 2. Another fact is that in the game’s credits, Senoue is listed as Sound Director, with Lopes being the first name under composers and separated from the rest of the composers (credits are already uploaded in places like YouTube). For this reason, it is my belief Lopes should be included, composing a good chunk of songs for the game’s soundtrack should be more than enough to include him in the infobox, but to anyone reading this, let me know your thoughts. (
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
06:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC))reply
That aside, while I'm not 100% sure where to draw the line here yet, I tend to favor less rather than more. Infoboxes are just the highlights, they're not meant to be comprehensive credits.
Sergecross73msg me13:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
You can find Senoue carelessly referred to as "The Composer" of this game anywhere. We come to Wikipedia for the full and complete information. Looking at the infobox and then scrolling to the "music" section and seeing more names seems like the authors of this page made a mistake. It's such a bizarre decision that I have never once seen replicated anywhere else on Wikipedia in all my years.
I'd strongly urge you all to simply *remove the composers section from the infobox* and force people to read the music section if Joe is going to be so bafflingly insistent about this, rather than listing contradictory, false information.
Kurobake (
talk)
18:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I can't tell if this is
hyperbole or just a really misguided understanding of modern video game development. Modern video game development teams often span into hundreds and hundreds of employees. Do you commonly see infoboxes with that level of staff listed off? No one should be looking at infoboxes for the "full and complete information" of game staff. That is a fundamentally not what infoboxes are. They're just a quick snapshot of some key information at a glance. If you want the full credits, go watch the game's credits or look them up on on any number of these hyper-focused Sonic fansites like Sonic Retro.
Sergecross73msg me18:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
My take is simply yes, multiple composers made some contributions to the soundtrack, but their contributions were relatively minor compared to Senoue, who composed the bulk of it. The infobox is not a full listing of the credits. If it's still such an issue to simply list him despite the fact he's the sound director and over 70% of the soundtrack was done by him we can add something like "Others; see
Music"
JOEBRO6418:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Replying to everyone here:
@
Sergecross73: Of course, what's in one article shouldn't be used as a basis for another in this case, I understand that. The Template page says the composer section should be discussed on a per-game basis on the talk page, hence me making this topic.
@
Kurobake: Agree with the other responses here, not everyone needs to be in the infobox. That would just bloat things. See
Help:Infobox, the infobox serves as a quick glance at important facts. There's a reason the rest of the article contains more detailed, complete facts than the infobox provides.
Help:Infobox states to avoid excessive length. If someone wants to see more detailed information on every composer, they'd just scroll down and check out the music section.
@
TheJoebro64: Yes, most composers on Superstars have relatively minor contributions. I'll bring up Shoji's contributions for example, from what we know it seems like he only composed 1 or 2 tracks (such as one of the acts for Speed Jungle) and that's it. That certainly isn't a "significant" contribution to the soundtrack, and thus I wouldn't include him. This goes for most composers on the soundtrack. This is why in my edits I've only been adding Lopes since I feel his contribution is "significant." Now what significant means is going to differ from person to person. Composing 20% of the soundtrack? 30%? 40%? For Superstars case, I feel Lopes did contribute significantly, he's done several interviews about his work for the game, has posted about Superstars and his work for it numerous times on his social media, is listed first and separately in the credits section under composers, and from what we know has composed more tracks in the game than any other composer that isn't Senoue, including several tracks for different stages. This is why I think he and Jun should be in the infobox and that's it, no need to link to Others, having them in the main article under music is enough since again, not significant enough contributions. Of course we won't know exactly how many tracks he did specifically unless the game gets a OST release or something similar, but considering how much he's talked about his work on the game and the fact he composed music for multiple stages and more than any of the other secondary composers, I'd consider his contribution significant. (
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
19:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC))reply
I understand that in your subsection of the Wikipedia community, your connotation for the "Composer(s)" section is "Lead Composer(s)". But to everyone else who will come here, the fact is: that the connotation will not be known, so the "Composer(s)" label is categorically incorrect.
If there's any similar game I can compare this to, it's Sonic Generations. Multiple composers contributed to the soundtrack, some more significantly than others, but the bulk of it was done by Senoue. At the Generations article, we only list Senoue in the infobox and mention everyone else at the beginning of the music subsection. I think that's what we should be doing here.
JOEBRO6412:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Kurobake: This shouln't be an argument, again see
Help:Infobox, it's for detailed short information, and
Template:Infobox video game states to list only significant composers. It isn't for listing everybody, it's not just for lead composers. A game can have multiple composers and have some be more significant than others.
@
TheJoebro64: In Generations case, other composers really only did a song or so here and there (mainly remixes of stage themes) with Senoue handling a bulk of the soundtrack. I agree listing him solo on Generations' page is fine because of this. While there were more significant contributions on that soundtrack, I feel there wasn't anything significant enough to warrant another composer in its infobox. In Superstars case though, Lopes has composed a decent amount of the soundtrack. For example, on the mini soundtrack that comes with the digital deluxe version, he's credited as composer on:
-The opening theme (co-composed with Senoue)
-Both acts of Bridge Island (co-composed with Senoue)
-Speed Jungle Act 1 (solo composer)
-Special Stage (solo composer)
Those are some pretty significant songs I'd say, especially since he co-composed some with Senoue. Once again, we can't compare 2 pages to each other (
WP:WAX). This isn't about who has a more significant contribution to the soundtrack, it's about considering his contributions to the soundtrack overall as significant. No other secondary composer appears to have composed at least 9 tracks (see:
https://x.com/TeeLopes/status/1714807990312693904?s=20) and considering he arranged multiple tracks for Senoue, I would consider that significant. Some Senoue tracks only sound the way they are because of Lopes, but if that isn't significant, not sure what would be considered significant.
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
22:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Placement in timeline?
When exactly, more specifically, what game, DOES this take place after? My assumption is that it follows on from Sonic Forces...
Visokor (
talk)
05:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Not that it matters that much, but I believe it follows the classic timeline, taking place before all the modern games (Classic Sonic and one of the recent videos on the Sonic YouTube channel mentions how the characters are coming up on the “anniversary” of their adventure in Superstars). So maybe for Classic Sonic it takes place after Forces, but certainly not for Modern.
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
17:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
well, whether it's after Mania's Encore Mode or the Mania Adventures shorts for that matter is up to interpretation as well, right?
Visokor (
talk)
17:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
In
this interview, Iizuka says it takes place after Sonic Mania and before Sonic Adventure. Could probably be added to the article but with attribution in Development, not as a matter of fact. There's really no continuity between these games.
TarkusABtalk/
contrib22:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I think Roxas is right. Without spoiling anything... you would be surprised how much lore there actually is behind the scenes. Also, this is before Adventure and after Mania. But yeah, there should probably be a plot section, albeit a very small one.
FerDeLancer (
talk)
22:09, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I'll let you all hash it out. I'm tired of wasting time arguing about this completely inconsequential bit of information. It's a complete non-story. A source asks about release timeframes and the answer is that it's a coincidence. There's simply nothing of substance there, and it shocks me to see editors not only want to include it, but totally bloat it out too. It's the sort of thing that is destined to be trimmed out during an inevitable GA/FA effort anyways, so it's not worth the time sink.
Sergecross73msg me20:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
There's... really nothing to discuss here. It's two sentences about how similar games from franchises well known for their historic rivalry came out around the same time. I'm not sure why this is being dragged on and on, because there's absolutely no need for it to. How it's written now is perfectly fine. We don't need to bloat it out at all.
JOEBRO6420:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Even the current version is bloated out, for what it is. It'd be fascinating commentary if it was planned by one of them. Or if Sega blamed Wonder for low sales of Superstars or something. But there's nothing like that here.
Sergecross73msg me21:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
As I have expressed, I think the information fits fine in both articles, and I don't think it's so dreadfully unimportant as to warrant exclusion. Either way, I think I too will step away from the discussion for now. –
CopperyMarrow15(
talk |
edits)Feel free to ping me!23:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Genuinely, what is the problem? It's a four word difference, and it's explicitly stated in the source. You haven't really offered a reason for its removal aside from personal preference. --
Cyberlink420 (
talk)
20:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The official name of the robots strikes me as needless and
jargony. It doesn't add anything—all the reader needs to know is that they're customizable robots. The fact they're called Metal Fighters in-game isn't very important, and "Metal Fighter" is less concise and understandable than simply "robot", which is clear and impossible to misunderstand.
JOEBRO6421:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm indifferent. It's the sort of thing I'd remove when it's added without context (like randomly subbing in "badniks" for enemies without ever defining it) but context was given, and without going on a tangent either, so I don't have an issue.
Sergecross73msg me21:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
How on earth does this game have a mixed reception? A comment justifies that claim by stating that "Only one version has a "favorable" Metascore, and it's also the version with the fewest reviews." But as of this edit, all versions have a 71-75 score range in Metacritic, which is favorable. A mixed score would be in the 50-69 range.
Endianer (
talk)
16:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)reply
We generally go by what aggregators like Metacritic say because otherwise editors
edit war over
their own personal interpretations. It solves most issues eith your Marios, Zeldas etc. Unfortunately, this is one is one of those weird fluke cases where it's a multiplatform game that seems to straddle the line between versions. The PS5 MC score says "positive" but the the Switch ones says "mixed". Hard to say how to handle this ones (but awkward phrases like "mixed to positive" or whatever
is not the way to go.)
Sergecross73msg me17:26, 8 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Award Nominations
So basically, The Game Awards 2023 happens and Sonic Superstars is nominated for "Best Family Game". Has there been any other nominations for different organizations like BAFTA or D.I.C.E yet, or should we just add it rn?
RebelUltra (
talk)
00:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Denuvo and Epic Games
If you look at steam and youtube reviews, one of the biggest talking points is denuvo and the epic games launcher being required to play. It led to a review bombing. Shouldn't the article mention this at least in passing under "reception"? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2604:3D09:4782:6400:8D12:96A7:E0A4:E796 (
talk)
16:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Why? You just said yourself its pretty well known. If people are confused about who "Fang the Hunter" is, they can click on the link and learn it immediately. He's not called "Nack" in this game so it doesn't need to be covered here.
Sergecross73msg me19:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Okay, but this sort of sourcing is a huge no-no. Do you know how easy it would be for a random person to create a free social media account and post faked screenshots?
Sergecross73msg me20:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
What does this have to do with this article - Sonic Superstars...? We know Ristar was based on an early design for a rabbit character, but we do not know that this particular rabbit design became Ristar. It's
original research to suggest this, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia.
Sergecross73msg me16:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
How come the gameplay envisioned for the rabbit is exactly the same as ristars gameplay, its common knowledge that ristar came specifically from this prototype character
Charliephere (
talk)
18:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I couldn't tell you. Nor can you. Which is the problem. It's a
WP:SYNTH issue until we have a reliable source that outright makes this connections and states it. Please see
WP:VG/S for a list of sources that are deemed usable. We're looking for something like writers at
IGN or
Eurogamer, not random tweets or forum posts.
Sergecross73msg me19:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Thank you for finally deciding to use the talk page. I was going to lock the page from editing if I saw any more
edit warring, but wasn't able to warn you if it because you keep IP-hopping.
My version of the Metacritic reviews summary keeps getting reverted, even though it follows other modern video game Wikipedia examples.
My version: "The Switch and PlayStation 5 versions of Sonic Superstars received "mixed or average" reviews from critics, while the Xbox Series X/S version received "generally favorable" reviews, according to review aggregator website Metacritic."
2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:DCBD:6371:54A6:A943 (
talk)
01:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, I've been confused watching this slow motion
edit war on my
WP:WATCHLIST. Why does this matter so much to you? Neither version is radically different from how we normally convey this. Is there any other reason you keep pushing for this version?
Sergecross73msg me02:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm just used to seeing "review aggregator" and "Metacritic" being at the end of the sentence because that's what I usually see when looking at other Metacritic reviews summaries. This person keeps reverting my change (and other reasonable changes) I've made to this page, even though I'm just following other Wikipedia examples...
2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:DCBD:6371:54A6:A943 (
talk)
02:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, but we don't require 100% parity between articles. Is there actually something wrong with Joe's version? Is there some message it doesn't convey? A shortcoming only present in his version? Anything like that?
Sergecross73msg me02:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
No, his version doesn't have any major problems, but I think my version is better as the game should be at the start of the sentence and Metacritic should be at the end. Even if parity isn't required, I think consistency is for the best.
2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:DCBD:6371:54A6:A943 (
talk)
03:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's all very vague. It doesn't really sound like you have a real reason besides wanting it to be consistent with other articles. If your reason is something beyond that, you need to articulate it better.
Sergecross73msg me04:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles
Countless people have tried this, but it's all been unreliable sources like social media accounts, YouTubers, and Fansites. Any reliable sources confirming this definitely yet. It needs to stay out of the article until we do. And we need to know the role too. If they just did minor stuff like minor modeling and resource work, it's usually more of a footnote and dev section note.
Sergecross73msg me17:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Pinging
User:TheJoebro64 since we’ve gone back and forth on edits with this. In the infobox, only Senoue is listed as a composer
Template: Infobox video game states to list any composers with significant contribution to the soundtrack should be listed. Most Sonic game pages on Wikipedia list more composers than just leads, as these composers have composed multiple songs for these respective games. See pages such as
Sonic Unleashed or
Sonic Adventure 2 for examples. I would say Lopes has significantly contributed to the soundtrack. He has composed multiple songs for the game, more than any of the other composers outside of Senoue. In the most recent revert
User:TheJoebro64 mentioned why we should single out Lopes when not listing any of the other composers on the game, such as Shoji. As mentioned, Lopes has significantly contributed to the soundtrack composing multiple tracks while the others seem to have only composed a song or 2. Another fact is that in the game’s credits, Senoue is listed as Sound Director, with Lopes being the first name under composers and separated from the rest of the composers (credits are already uploaded in places like YouTube). For this reason, it is my belief Lopes should be included, composing a good chunk of songs for the game’s soundtrack should be more than enough to include him in the infobox, but to anyone reading this, let me know your thoughts. (
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
06:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC))reply
That aside, while I'm not 100% sure where to draw the line here yet, I tend to favor less rather than more. Infoboxes are just the highlights, they're not meant to be comprehensive credits.
Sergecross73msg me13:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
You can find Senoue carelessly referred to as "The Composer" of this game anywhere. We come to Wikipedia for the full and complete information. Looking at the infobox and then scrolling to the "music" section and seeing more names seems like the authors of this page made a mistake. It's such a bizarre decision that I have never once seen replicated anywhere else on Wikipedia in all my years.
I'd strongly urge you all to simply *remove the composers section from the infobox* and force people to read the music section if Joe is going to be so bafflingly insistent about this, rather than listing contradictory, false information.
Kurobake (
talk)
18:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I can't tell if this is
hyperbole or just a really misguided understanding of modern video game development. Modern video game development teams often span into hundreds and hundreds of employees. Do you commonly see infoboxes with that level of staff listed off? No one should be looking at infoboxes for the "full and complete information" of game staff. That is a fundamentally not what infoboxes are. They're just a quick snapshot of some key information at a glance. If you want the full credits, go watch the game's credits or look them up on on any number of these hyper-focused Sonic fansites like Sonic Retro.
Sergecross73msg me18:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
My take is simply yes, multiple composers made some contributions to the soundtrack, but their contributions were relatively minor compared to Senoue, who composed the bulk of it. The infobox is not a full listing of the credits. If it's still such an issue to simply list him despite the fact he's the sound director and over 70% of the soundtrack was done by him we can add something like "Others; see
Music"
JOEBRO6418:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Replying to everyone here:
@
Sergecross73: Of course, what's in one article shouldn't be used as a basis for another in this case, I understand that. The Template page says the composer section should be discussed on a per-game basis on the talk page, hence me making this topic.
@
Kurobake: Agree with the other responses here, not everyone needs to be in the infobox. That would just bloat things. See
Help:Infobox, the infobox serves as a quick glance at important facts. There's a reason the rest of the article contains more detailed, complete facts than the infobox provides.
Help:Infobox states to avoid excessive length. If someone wants to see more detailed information on every composer, they'd just scroll down and check out the music section.
@
TheJoebro64: Yes, most composers on Superstars have relatively minor contributions. I'll bring up Shoji's contributions for example, from what we know it seems like he only composed 1 or 2 tracks (such as one of the acts for Speed Jungle) and that's it. That certainly isn't a "significant" contribution to the soundtrack, and thus I wouldn't include him. This goes for most composers on the soundtrack. This is why in my edits I've only been adding Lopes since I feel his contribution is "significant." Now what significant means is going to differ from person to person. Composing 20% of the soundtrack? 30%? 40%? For Superstars case, I feel Lopes did contribute significantly, he's done several interviews about his work for the game, has posted about Superstars and his work for it numerous times on his social media, is listed first and separately in the credits section under composers, and from what we know has composed more tracks in the game than any other composer that isn't Senoue, including several tracks for different stages. This is why I think he and Jun should be in the infobox and that's it, no need to link to Others, having them in the main article under music is enough since again, not significant enough contributions. Of course we won't know exactly how many tracks he did specifically unless the game gets a OST release or something similar, but considering how much he's talked about his work on the game and the fact he composed music for multiple stages and more than any of the other secondary composers, I'd consider his contribution significant. (
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
19:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC))reply
I understand that in your subsection of the Wikipedia community, your connotation for the "Composer(s)" section is "Lead Composer(s)". But to everyone else who will come here, the fact is: that the connotation will not be known, so the "Composer(s)" label is categorically incorrect.
If there's any similar game I can compare this to, it's Sonic Generations. Multiple composers contributed to the soundtrack, some more significantly than others, but the bulk of it was done by Senoue. At the Generations article, we only list Senoue in the infobox and mention everyone else at the beginning of the music subsection. I think that's what we should be doing here.
JOEBRO6412:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Kurobake: This shouln't be an argument, again see
Help:Infobox, it's for detailed short information, and
Template:Infobox video game states to list only significant composers. It isn't for listing everybody, it's not just for lead composers. A game can have multiple composers and have some be more significant than others.
@
TheJoebro64: In Generations case, other composers really only did a song or so here and there (mainly remixes of stage themes) with Senoue handling a bulk of the soundtrack. I agree listing him solo on Generations' page is fine because of this. While there were more significant contributions on that soundtrack, I feel there wasn't anything significant enough to warrant another composer in its infobox. In Superstars case though, Lopes has composed a decent amount of the soundtrack. For example, on the mini soundtrack that comes with the digital deluxe version, he's credited as composer on:
-The opening theme (co-composed with Senoue)
-Both acts of Bridge Island (co-composed with Senoue)
-Speed Jungle Act 1 (solo composer)
-Special Stage (solo composer)
Those are some pretty significant songs I'd say, especially since he co-composed some with Senoue. Once again, we can't compare 2 pages to each other (
WP:WAX). This isn't about who has a more significant contribution to the soundtrack, it's about considering his contributions to the soundtrack overall as significant. No other secondary composer appears to have composed at least 9 tracks (see:
https://x.com/TeeLopes/status/1714807990312693904?s=20) and considering he arranged multiple tracks for Senoue, I would consider that significant. Some Senoue tracks only sound the way they are because of Lopes, but if that isn't significant, not sure what would be considered significant.
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
22:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Placement in timeline?
When exactly, more specifically, what game, DOES this take place after? My assumption is that it follows on from Sonic Forces...
Visokor (
talk)
05:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Not that it matters that much, but I believe it follows the classic timeline, taking place before all the modern games (Classic Sonic and one of the recent videos on the Sonic YouTube channel mentions how the characters are coming up on the “anniversary” of their adventure in Superstars). So maybe for Classic Sonic it takes place after Forces, but certainly not for Modern.
VenFlyer98 (
talk)
17:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
well, whether it's after Mania's Encore Mode or the Mania Adventures shorts for that matter is up to interpretation as well, right?
Visokor (
talk)
17:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
In
this interview, Iizuka says it takes place after Sonic Mania and before Sonic Adventure. Could probably be added to the article but with attribution in Development, not as a matter of fact. There's really no continuity between these games.
TarkusABtalk/
contrib22:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I think Roxas is right. Without spoiling anything... you would be surprised how much lore there actually is behind the scenes. Also, this is before Adventure and after Mania. But yeah, there should probably be a plot section, albeit a very small one.
FerDeLancer (
talk)
22:09, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I'll let you all hash it out. I'm tired of wasting time arguing about this completely inconsequential bit of information. It's a complete non-story. A source asks about release timeframes and the answer is that it's a coincidence. There's simply nothing of substance there, and it shocks me to see editors not only want to include it, but totally bloat it out too. It's the sort of thing that is destined to be trimmed out during an inevitable GA/FA effort anyways, so it's not worth the time sink.
Sergecross73msg me20:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
There's... really nothing to discuss here. It's two sentences about how similar games from franchises well known for their historic rivalry came out around the same time. I'm not sure why this is being dragged on and on, because there's absolutely no need for it to. How it's written now is perfectly fine. We don't need to bloat it out at all.
JOEBRO6420:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Even the current version is bloated out, for what it is. It'd be fascinating commentary if it was planned by one of them. Or if Sega blamed Wonder for low sales of Superstars or something. But there's nothing like that here.
Sergecross73msg me21:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
As I have expressed, I think the information fits fine in both articles, and I don't think it's so dreadfully unimportant as to warrant exclusion. Either way, I think I too will step away from the discussion for now. –
CopperyMarrow15(
talk |
edits)Feel free to ping me!23:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Genuinely, what is the problem? It's a four word difference, and it's explicitly stated in the source. You haven't really offered a reason for its removal aside from personal preference. --
Cyberlink420 (
talk)
20:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The official name of the robots strikes me as needless and
jargony. It doesn't add anything—all the reader needs to know is that they're customizable robots. The fact they're called Metal Fighters in-game isn't very important, and "Metal Fighter" is less concise and understandable than simply "robot", which is clear and impossible to misunderstand.
JOEBRO6421:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm indifferent. It's the sort of thing I'd remove when it's added without context (like randomly subbing in "badniks" for enemies without ever defining it) but context was given, and without going on a tangent either, so I don't have an issue.
Sergecross73msg me21:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
How on earth does this game have a mixed reception? A comment justifies that claim by stating that "Only one version has a "favorable" Metascore, and it's also the version with the fewest reviews." But as of this edit, all versions have a 71-75 score range in Metacritic, which is favorable. A mixed score would be in the 50-69 range.
Endianer (
talk)
16:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)reply
We generally go by what aggregators like Metacritic say because otherwise editors
edit war over
their own personal interpretations. It solves most issues eith your Marios, Zeldas etc. Unfortunately, this is one is one of those weird fluke cases where it's a multiplatform game that seems to straddle the line between versions. The PS5 MC score says "positive" but the the Switch ones says "mixed". Hard to say how to handle this ones (but awkward phrases like "mixed to positive" or whatever
is not the way to go.)
Sergecross73msg me17:26, 8 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Award Nominations
So basically, The Game Awards 2023 happens and Sonic Superstars is nominated for "Best Family Game". Has there been any other nominations for different organizations like BAFTA or D.I.C.E yet, or should we just add it rn?
RebelUltra (
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00:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Denuvo and Epic Games
If you look at steam and youtube reviews, one of the biggest talking points is denuvo and the epic games launcher being required to play. It led to a review bombing. Shouldn't the article mention this at least in passing under "reception"? — Preceding
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2604:3D09:4782:6400:8D12:96A7:E0A4:E796 (
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16:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Why? You just said yourself its pretty well known. If people are confused about who "Fang the Hunter" is, they can click on the link and learn it immediately. He's not called "Nack" in this game so it doesn't need to be covered here.
Sergecross73msg me19:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Okay, but this sort of sourcing is a huge no-no. Do you know how easy it would be for a random person to create a free social media account and post faked screenshots?
Sergecross73msg me20:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
What does this have to do with this article - Sonic Superstars...? We know Ristar was based on an early design for a rabbit character, but we do not know that this particular rabbit design became Ristar. It's
original research to suggest this, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia.
Sergecross73msg me16:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
How come the gameplay envisioned for the rabbit is exactly the same as ristars gameplay, its common knowledge that ristar came specifically from this prototype character
Charliephere (
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18:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I couldn't tell you. Nor can you. Which is the problem. It's a
WP:SYNTH issue until we have a reliable source that outright makes this connections and states it. Please see
WP:VG/S for a list of sources that are deemed usable. We're looking for something like writers at
IGN or
Eurogamer, not random tweets or forum posts.
Sergecross73msg me19:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Thank you for finally deciding to use the talk page. I was going to lock the page from editing if I saw any more
edit warring, but wasn't able to warn you if it because you keep IP-hopping.
My version of the Metacritic reviews summary keeps getting reverted, even though it follows other modern video game Wikipedia examples.
My version: "The Switch and PlayStation 5 versions of Sonic Superstars received "mixed or average" reviews from critics, while the Xbox Series X/S version received "generally favorable" reviews, according to review aggregator website Metacritic."
2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:DCBD:6371:54A6:A943 (
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01:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, I've been confused watching this slow motion
edit war on my
WP:WATCHLIST. Why does this matter so much to you? Neither version is radically different from how we normally convey this. Is there any other reason you keep pushing for this version?
Sergecross73msg me02:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm just used to seeing "review aggregator" and "Metacritic" being at the end of the sentence because that's what I usually see when looking at other Metacritic reviews summaries. This person keeps reverting my change (and other reasonable changes) I've made to this page, even though I'm just following other Wikipedia examples...
2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:DCBD:6371:54A6:A943 (
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02:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, but we don't require 100% parity between articles. Is there actually something wrong with Joe's version? Is there some message it doesn't convey? A shortcoming only present in his version? Anything like that?
Sergecross73msg me02:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
No, his version doesn't have any major problems, but I think my version is better as the game should be at the start of the sentence and Metacritic should be at the end. Even if parity isn't required, I think consistency is for the best.
2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:DCBD:6371:54A6:A943 (
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03:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's all very vague. It doesn't really sound like you have a real reason besides wanting it to be consistent with other articles. If your reason is something beyond that, you need to articulate it better.
Sergecross73msg me04:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)reply