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@ Vanamonde93: the mention of Forbes listing on lead is WP:UNDUE. No other articles mention it, even those that are more accomplished when it comes to Forbes listing such as Ben Bernanke, Abdullah of Saudi Arabia mentions it. But it was recently inserted on the lead [1] without consensus, I had planned to revert it before but I just remembered it until recently. Capitals00 ( talk) 05:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@ Vanamonde93:@ D4iNa4:@ Capitals00:. The mention of political scandals isn't of much use either right? I mean when they're pure speculation? Numerounovedant Talk 07:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
"Any head of state can be called "most powerful politician" for their country"Yes, but she was not head of state, which is why it is being mentioned. Scholarly sources are needed to determine due weight: I did not at any point suggest that only scholarly sources must be used to write the article. You are yet to provide a policy-based explanation for your reverts. Vanamonde ( talk) 10:38, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
One of these source says Sonia had more influence than Manmohan Singh, though it is also the opinion of her opposition and scholars who critically [6] examined. By mentioning WP:PUFFERY, I have told above that such claims can be used on many other articles but it is best to avoid it on Wikipedia article lead, since it is avoided and this article is no exception. Controversial edits require consensus first. Everyone edit warred but only Numerounovedant has violated WP:3RR. Now that welfare schemes (without scholarly sources) has been added and mention of Quattrocchi has been removed by vedanta on lead probably for balancing the lead, I am fine with the current version. D4iNa4 ( talk) 14:09, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
it is also the opinion of her opposition and scholars who critically examined? You seem to agree that many individuals support that analysis; in other words, you are saying it should be included in the lead. On what basis, then, are you saying it should not be in the lead of this article? Vedant's breach of 3RR is only technical; it occurred because he reinstated the grammatical corrections that were not being discussed here, but which Capitals00 was reverting anyway. No admin is likely to block him on those grounds. Vanamonde ( talk) 16:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
As there isn't going to be any editing for a while now, here are some pieces for sweet sweet reading.
Enjoy reading, it's fairly balanced. Numerounovedant Talk 13:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Do I have to repeat every time? Sonia's popularity is still decreasing and after seeing worst defeat of the party in 2014, there is no logic to add something that reads like a fan praise violating WP:NPOV. Anmolbhat ( talk) 13:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm assuming that the contentious text is Although she never held any public office in the government of India, Gandhi has been widely described and the most powerful politician in the country, and variously listed among the most powerful people in the world. Looking at the discussion above, I think we need a middle road here. Clearly, love her or hate her, Sonia Gandhi has been an extremely powerful politician in India and has been, and perhaps still is, amongst the top few most powerful women in the world. If important sources have, at any time, listed her as the most powerful politician in India, then that's an important fact that should be conveyed in the lead and not relegated to a subsection. However, I don't think we can label her the most powerful politician in the country today (that would be - again love him or hate him - Modi). But, neither should the lead downplay her importance in modern India because that would be a disservice to the readers. Perhaps Although she never held any public office in the government of India, Gandhi has been widely seen as one of the most powerful politicians in the country, and is often listed among the most powerful people women in the world? --
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Such as National Herald scam and Rajiv Gandhi Charitable Trust scams already in the court against Rahul Gandhi and some are being investigated by the CBI. Thanks. 202.156.182.84 ( talk) 12:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Let's get to this again. Anybody with a neutral point of view may take a look at the revisions here and tell me what's wrong with the, Vedant Talk 14:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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I'd like to add this link: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CFi4-YOYs Ripeus ( talk) 20:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the lead paragraph reads
This is the opening of the article. How can it not tell us who her husband is, or how an Italian came to be a member of an Indian political family? Un sch ool 01:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hi there. This looks like a paid page with no mention of her education, which of-course is not a coveted one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.159.47 ( talk) 15:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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Sonia Gandhi is an Indian politician of Italian descent 107.1.219.56 ( talk) 15:09, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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--> Sonia Maino Gandhi is an Indian politician of Italian descent and former member of the Indian National Congress and former philanthropist and Former Activist and Former Entrepreneur and Former Conductor and Former Legislative Chairman and former opposition leader and former chief minister of Bihar as well. Sonia maino Gnadhi was born in Lusiana veneto Italy as well. 107.1.219.57 ( talk) 15:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
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There is lots of commentary on Sonia Gandhi's Hindi and English, but I notice that the village in Italy in which she grew up is in an area in which Cimbrian, a Germanic language, not Italian, is the local language. I wonder if she speaks Cimbrian? Bill ( talk) 04:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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The National Advisory Council listing on the infobox should not have "Position demolished" as the designation for when Gandhi's term ended. The standard designation is "Position abolished".
Additionally, Sonia Gandhi assumed the office of MP for Rae Bareli on "17 May 2004" - which is the date that all MPs were sworn in. The date of assumption for that office should be updated from the presently ambiguous date of simply "2004". 70.29.38.15 ( talk) 18:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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The by Om Namah Ramsut Sharma II has placed this page in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls due to the duplication of the term_end2, predecessor2, and successor2 parameters. further inspection of the infobox shows a deeper problem with uncorrected mangling in this edit, and the most serious mangling in this edit which failed to renumber all of the parameters resulting a numbering mismatch. at this point, the best action is probably to either (a) take the infobox from before the mangling and re-add the new office information, or (b) verify/correct all of the office/term_start/term_end blocks with the correct numbering and values. 198.102.155.120 ( talk) 14:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Name correction: Sonia Gandhi Antonia Maino 49.206.10.28 ( talk) 13:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The citation is irrelevant as it is against wikipedia's policy of NPOV Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 16:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please change the full name of Sonia gandhi to her original name Antonio Maino 2406:B400:D1:21C7:2D93:AF10:B3D0:19CB ( talk) 03:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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Wherever it says just Gandhi in the article, can we change it to Mrs.Gandhi? Venue9 ( talk) 18:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Can we have a section called "Illnesses" under "Personal Life"? Sachi Mohanty 07:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
What's the policy on including net worth on political BLPs? I don't think I've seen it a lot. Vedant Talk 11:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 3#Edvige Antonia Albina Maino until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Akhiljaxxn ( talk) 11:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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@ Vanamonde93: the mention of Forbes listing on lead is WP:UNDUE. No other articles mention it, even those that are more accomplished when it comes to Forbes listing such as Ben Bernanke, Abdullah of Saudi Arabia mentions it. But it was recently inserted on the lead [1] without consensus, I had planned to revert it before but I just remembered it until recently. Capitals00 ( talk) 05:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@ Vanamonde93:@ D4iNa4:@ Capitals00:. The mention of political scandals isn't of much use either right? I mean when they're pure speculation? Numerounovedant Talk 07:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
"Any head of state can be called "most powerful politician" for their country"Yes, but she was not head of state, which is why it is being mentioned. Scholarly sources are needed to determine due weight: I did not at any point suggest that only scholarly sources must be used to write the article. You are yet to provide a policy-based explanation for your reverts. Vanamonde ( talk) 10:38, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
One of these source says Sonia had more influence than Manmohan Singh, though it is also the opinion of her opposition and scholars who critically [6] examined. By mentioning WP:PUFFERY, I have told above that such claims can be used on many other articles but it is best to avoid it on Wikipedia article lead, since it is avoided and this article is no exception. Controversial edits require consensus first. Everyone edit warred but only Numerounovedant has violated WP:3RR. Now that welfare schemes (without scholarly sources) has been added and mention of Quattrocchi has been removed by vedanta on lead probably for balancing the lead, I am fine with the current version. D4iNa4 ( talk) 14:09, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
it is also the opinion of her opposition and scholars who critically examined? You seem to agree that many individuals support that analysis; in other words, you are saying it should be included in the lead. On what basis, then, are you saying it should not be in the lead of this article? Vedant's breach of 3RR is only technical; it occurred because he reinstated the grammatical corrections that were not being discussed here, but which Capitals00 was reverting anyway. No admin is likely to block him on those grounds. Vanamonde ( talk) 16:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
As there isn't going to be any editing for a while now, here are some pieces for sweet sweet reading.
Enjoy reading, it's fairly balanced. Numerounovedant Talk 13:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Do I have to repeat every time? Sonia's popularity is still decreasing and after seeing worst defeat of the party in 2014, there is no logic to add something that reads like a fan praise violating WP:NPOV. Anmolbhat ( talk) 13:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm assuming that the contentious text is Although she never held any public office in the government of India, Gandhi has been widely described and the most powerful politician in the country, and variously listed among the most powerful people in the world. Looking at the discussion above, I think we need a middle road here. Clearly, love her or hate her, Sonia Gandhi has been an extremely powerful politician in India and has been, and perhaps still is, amongst the top few most powerful women in the world. If important sources have, at any time, listed her as the most powerful politician in India, then that's an important fact that should be conveyed in the lead and not relegated to a subsection. However, I don't think we can label her the most powerful politician in the country today (that would be - again love him or hate him - Modi). But, neither should the lead downplay her importance in modern India because that would be a disservice to the readers. Perhaps Although she never held any public office in the government of India, Gandhi has been widely seen as one of the most powerful politicians in the country, and is often listed among the most powerful people women in the world? --
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23:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Such as National Herald scam and Rajiv Gandhi Charitable Trust scams already in the court against Rahul Gandhi and some are being investigated by the CBI. Thanks. 202.156.182.84 ( talk) 12:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Let's get to this again. Anybody with a neutral point of view may take a look at the revisions here and tell me what's wrong with the, Vedant Talk 14:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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I'd like to add this link: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CFi4-YOYs Ripeus ( talk) 20:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the lead paragraph reads
This is the opening of the article. How can it not tell us who her husband is, or how an Italian came to be a member of an Indian political family? Un sch ool 01:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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Hi there. This looks like a paid page with no mention of her education, which of-course is not a coveted one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.159.47 ( talk) 15:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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Sonia Gandhi is an Indian politician of Italian descent 107.1.219.56 ( talk) 15:09, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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--> Sonia Maino Gandhi is an Indian politician of Italian descent and former member of the Indian National Congress and former philanthropist and Former Activist and Former Entrepreneur and Former Conductor and Former Legislative Chairman and former opposition leader and former chief minister of Bihar as well. Sonia maino Gnadhi was born in Lusiana veneto Italy as well. 107.1.219.57 ( talk) 15:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
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107.1.219.57 ( talk) 15:47, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
There is lots of commentary on Sonia Gandhi's Hindi and English, but I notice that the village in Italy in which she grew up is in an area in which Cimbrian, a Germanic language, not Italian, is the local language. I wonder if she speaks Cimbrian? Bill ( talk) 04:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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The National Advisory Council listing on the infobox should not have "Position demolished" as the designation for when Gandhi's term ended. The standard designation is "Position abolished".
Additionally, Sonia Gandhi assumed the office of MP for Rae Bareli on "17 May 2004" - which is the date that all MPs were sworn in. The date of assumption for that office should be updated from the presently ambiguous date of simply "2004". 70.29.38.15 ( talk) 18:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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The by Om Namah Ramsut Sharma II has placed this page in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls due to the duplication of the term_end2, predecessor2, and successor2 parameters. further inspection of the infobox shows a deeper problem with uncorrected mangling in this edit, and the most serious mangling in this edit which failed to renumber all of the parameters resulting a numbering mismatch. at this point, the best action is probably to either (a) take the infobox from before the mangling and re-add the new office information, or (b) verify/correct all of the office/term_start/term_end blocks with the correct numbering and values. 198.102.155.120 ( talk) 14:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Name correction: Sonia Gandhi Antonia Maino 49.206.10.28 ( talk) 13:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The citation is irrelevant as it is against wikipedia's policy of NPOV Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 16:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please change the full name of Sonia gandhi to her original name Antonio Maino 2406:B400:D1:21C7:2D93:AF10:B3D0:19CB ( talk) 03:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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Wherever it says just Gandhi in the article, can we change it to Mrs.Gandhi? Venue9 ( talk) 18:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Can we have a section called "Illnesses" under "Personal Life"? Sachi Mohanty 07:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
What's the policy on including net worth on political BLPs? I don't think I've seen it a lot. Vedant Talk 11:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 3#Edvige Antonia Albina Maino until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Akhiljaxxn ( talk) 11:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)