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The introduction is very bad. It uses too much abbreviations and some are not even explain (what is KEN(ml))?
Qwertyus, I see you have removed the international comparison-text I added. I would have hoped that you would have first discussed it. I intend to add this paragraph to each of the current political parties. For some-one who does not know the Dutch political system and only knows two party systems the SP, but also the GroenLinks or the ChristenUnie, is a really strange party. That's why I thought it to be useful to add such a comparison: so that an American or an Englishman can understand what the SP is all about, by analogy. Furthermore I think it is important to stress that similar parties have and are developing in different countries. For instance the PvdA is a social-democratic party. But what kind of social-democratic party? It is not like the french PS, but more like New Labour. But it was late last night, and I probably made a mistake linking the SP to PCF. Although both parties are member of the UEL. I should have added that the SP is similar to WASG/PDS in Germany, that would have made more sense. Please explain why you removed the section, so we can come to some consensus. C mon 09:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
If this party was formed as a "Maoist" movement, how come it was specifically named itself as "Marxist-Leninist"?
'"The Socialist Party was founded in October 1971 as a Maoist party named 'Communist Party of the Netherlands/Marxist-Leninist' (Dutch: Kommunistiese Partij Nederland/Marxisties-Leninisties, KPN/ML)."'
I know that one is based on the other, but it just seems counter-intuitive that this could be the case. I think further clarification, at least, is needed. 131.111.144.99 11:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
This suggestions is entirely related to language and in no way a comment on the content of the article.
Can the following sentence, "In 1999 it one member was elected into the European Parliament,"
be edited to,
"In 1999 one of its members was elected into the European Parliament."
without altering the intended meaning?
Thank you for your kindness,
- Rockthing 05:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
This section need to be expanded in the sense of adding the reasons why the SP has chosen not to be a member neither of the Party of the European Left nor the Nordic Green Left Alliance. I am very curious why is that, so has anyone the answer? ( Zdravko mk 12:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC))
- The SP is unlike other parties: less focussed on the 'Capitalist system' and more on local action themes - The SP usually works together with other paries only on the basis of campaignes, such as with the Iraqi Communist party in support for the conviction of a Dutch Chemical weapons dealer. - The SP is more like the Nordic green paries in style and performance, but more like the parties that formed the party of the European left in a historic sence. In recent months memebers of the board, including the party leader Jan Marijnissen have made visits to Scandinavia, Germany an Greece to discuss a closer coorperation. And C mon, although the party does have a Maoist origin, it is no longer (and hasn't been for a many years now) a Maoist party. Nielz 13:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The part about the organizational structure states that the party board convenes at least four times a year. As far as I know it is at least once every four years.
Codegrinder 23:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Once every four years would not be enough. They convene at least four times a year. I don't see what is difficult or confusing about that.
94.215.58.69 (
talk) 01:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
A party board that convenes one in four years? The article must be amenable to severe misunderstanding! This is a party that has more activities outside than inside parlementary bodies and react to actualities with substantial action. This require elaborate coordination and careful preparation to reach consensus. -- 80.100.243.19 ( talk) 23:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
There are right-wing people trying to put in changes in this article, turning it into a political article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.236.1.197 ( talk) 16:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I've changed the lead and infobox to state that the SP is a social democratic party. There are two sources for this, a statement by SP MP Harry van Bommel (primary source) and a piece in New Left Review (secondary source). I know that in the Dutch context "social democratic" tends to mean "the stance of the PvdA", but it's no use labeling the SP as democratic socialist, a phrase that I've never encountered in literature by or about the SP. QVVERTYVS ( hm?) 19:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
The article states that the SP is critical of immigration. The party was opposed to mass immigration in their earlier days (as stated in their text "Gastarbeid en kapitaal" (guest workers and capital). However, this position has changed. They accept refugees (their site says that it is a moral obligation because the party stands for solidarity) and aren't that critical anymore of immigration as they used to be.
I'd say that their view on this issue is more complex than the article states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeSoftwareEnthousiast ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Please note that the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung is closely related to the Social Democratic Party of Germany. [1] [2] Considering this close relation of the FES and the SPD, and considering the subject of this report, namely European political opponents of the SPD (such as Die Linke and the Socialistische Partij), I will have removed the claim ('far-left') associated with this source. - Krmody ( talk) 02:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
References
If wiki dares to smear conservative-patriotic forces such as PVV and Forum vor Democracy as either "far-right" or "nationalist" then this party with its commie roots is a far-left extremist party.
Otherwise you engage in promoting double standards by smearing the right and promoting the left with corrupt, one-sided articles. 62.226.72.189 ( talk) 01:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics/Political parties regarding the inclusion of the party flag in the infobox of this article. The thread is
Party flags in infoboxes. Thank you. —
Ætoms
talk 23:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
I've been seeing online (only twitter, nothing verified) that it appears the party is slightly following the Danish Social Democratic Party route of becoming more critical of immigration, has anyone seen any reliable sources in Dutch corroborating this so it could be added to the page? Guyb123321 ( talk) 14:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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The introduction is very bad. It uses too much abbreviations and some are not even explain (what is KEN(ml))?
Qwertyus, I see you have removed the international comparison-text I added. I would have hoped that you would have first discussed it. I intend to add this paragraph to each of the current political parties. For some-one who does not know the Dutch political system and only knows two party systems the SP, but also the GroenLinks or the ChristenUnie, is a really strange party. That's why I thought it to be useful to add such a comparison: so that an American or an Englishman can understand what the SP is all about, by analogy. Furthermore I think it is important to stress that similar parties have and are developing in different countries. For instance the PvdA is a social-democratic party. But what kind of social-democratic party? It is not like the french PS, but more like New Labour. But it was late last night, and I probably made a mistake linking the SP to PCF. Although both parties are member of the UEL. I should have added that the SP is similar to WASG/PDS in Germany, that would have made more sense. Please explain why you removed the section, so we can come to some consensus. C mon 09:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
If this party was formed as a "Maoist" movement, how come it was specifically named itself as "Marxist-Leninist"?
'"The Socialist Party was founded in October 1971 as a Maoist party named 'Communist Party of the Netherlands/Marxist-Leninist' (Dutch: Kommunistiese Partij Nederland/Marxisties-Leninisties, KPN/ML)."'
I know that one is based on the other, but it just seems counter-intuitive that this could be the case. I think further clarification, at least, is needed. 131.111.144.99 11:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
This suggestions is entirely related to language and in no way a comment on the content of the article.
Can the following sentence, "In 1999 it one member was elected into the European Parliament,"
be edited to,
"In 1999 one of its members was elected into the European Parliament."
without altering the intended meaning?
Thank you for your kindness,
- Rockthing 05:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
This section need to be expanded in the sense of adding the reasons why the SP has chosen not to be a member neither of the Party of the European Left nor the Nordic Green Left Alliance. I am very curious why is that, so has anyone the answer? ( Zdravko mk 12:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC))
- The SP is unlike other parties: less focussed on the 'Capitalist system' and more on local action themes - The SP usually works together with other paries only on the basis of campaignes, such as with the Iraqi Communist party in support for the conviction of a Dutch Chemical weapons dealer. - The SP is more like the Nordic green paries in style and performance, but more like the parties that formed the party of the European left in a historic sence. In recent months memebers of the board, including the party leader Jan Marijnissen have made visits to Scandinavia, Germany an Greece to discuss a closer coorperation. And C mon, although the party does have a Maoist origin, it is no longer (and hasn't been for a many years now) a Maoist party. Nielz 13:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The part about the organizational structure states that the party board convenes at least four times a year. As far as I know it is at least once every four years.
Codegrinder 23:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Once every four years would not be enough. They convene at least four times a year. I don't see what is difficult or confusing about that.
94.215.58.69 (
talk) 01:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
A party board that convenes one in four years? The article must be amenable to severe misunderstanding! This is a party that has more activities outside than inside parlementary bodies and react to actualities with substantial action. This require elaborate coordination and careful preparation to reach consensus. -- 80.100.243.19 ( talk) 23:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
There are right-wing people trying to put in changes in this article, turning it into a political article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.236.1.197 ( talk) 16:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I've changed the lead and infobox to state that the SP is a social democratic party. There are two sources for this, a statement by SP MP Harry van Bommel (primary source) and a piece in New Left Review (secondary source). I know that in the Dutch context "social democratic" tends to mean "the stance of the PvdA", but it's no use labeling the SP as democratic socialist, a phrase that I've never encountered in literature by or about the SP. QVVERTYVS ( hm?) 19:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
The article states that the SP is critical of immigration. The party was opposed to mass immigration in their earlier days (as stated in their text "Gastarbeid en kapitaal" (guest workers and capital). However, this position has changed. They accept refugees (their site says that it is a moral obligation because the party stands for solidarity) and aren't that critical anymore of immigration as they used to be.
I'd say that their view on this issue is more complex than the article states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeSoftwareEnthousiast ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Please note that the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung is closely related to the Social Democratic Party of Germany. [1] [2] Considering this close relation of the FES and the SPD, and considering the subject of this report, namely European political opponents of the SPD (such as Die Linke and the Socialistische Partij), I will have removed the claim ('far-left') associated with this source. - Krmody ( talk) 02:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
References
If wiki dares to smear conservative-patriotic forces such as PVV and Forum vor Democracy as either "far-right" or "nationalist" then this party with its commie roots is a far-left extremist party.
Otherwise you engage in promoting double standards by smearing the right and promoting the left with corrupt, one-sided articles. 62.226.72.189 ( talk) 01:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics/Political parties regarding the inclusion of the party flag in the infobox of this article. The thread is
Party flags in infoboxes. Thank you. —
Ætoms
talk 23:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
I've been seeing online (only twitter, nothing verified) that it appears the party is slightly following the Danish Social Democratic Party route of becoming more critical of immigration, has anyone seen any reliable sources in Dutch corroborating this so it could be added to the page? Guyb123321 ( talk) 14:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)