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i suggest we make the recurring characters section recurring and guest, so we can add back in bernedette peters, grace gummer, and nick jonas(who is recurring because hell be in the finale.) Caringtype1 ( talk) 15:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't think we need to necessarily do that, we can indicate the guest artist on the particular episode page. Some show pages seem to have a guest list and others don't. But if it's decided to do it, I think a paragraph indicating more known guest artists would probably be enough. Ducold ( talk) 21:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm deleting Annaleigh Ashford from the section titled "Cameos" as her appearance does not meet Wikipedia's definition for a cameo:
"A cameo role or cameo appearance (often shortened to just cameo; English pronunciation: /ˈkæmioʊ/) is a brief appearance of a known person in a work of the performing arts, such as plays, films, video games[1] and television, often appearing as themselves."
While Ms. Ashford may be a fine actress, she is not well-known. Smash is noted for featuring cameos by well-known Broadway figures playing themselves. We should keep this section to include only examples of those.
Dr Hugo Z Hackenbush ( talk) 16:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I have to say, I know who AA is, but i don't know a single other cameo, so.. Caringtype1 ( talk) 03:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
February 2012; Robert Greenblatt, Chairman of NBC Entertainment: NBCUniversal cable networks are joining forces to create a formidable “cable roadblock” to promote NBC’s musical drama “ Smash (TV series)” from 12 a.m.-1 a.m. (ET/PT) The participating networks include USA (network), Bravo (network), Style (network), Oxygen (network), G4 and mun2, which will re-broadcast the series premiere of “ Smash” from 12 a.m.-1 a.m. (ET/PT). E! will air the first episode from 12:30 a.m.-1:30 a.m. (ET/PT), while Universal HD and Cloo will carry the drama at 12 a.m. ET/9 p.m. PT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.148.253 ( talk) 17:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I removed the recent additions by Daniel Case that quoted from the Buzzfeed article http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/how-smash-became-tvs-biggest-train-wreck%7Cnewspaper ("How Smash Became TV's Biggest Trainwreck") on problems behind the scenes of the show. The issue I took with it is that it was full of anonymous sources that talked smack about Rebeck and some others (but mostly Rebeck) and seemed to border or actually cross the line on slandering real people that Wikipedia frowns on. Now I'm wondering, was that the right thing to do or am I mistaken on what Wikipedia's policy is and how the other editors feel about such things? Plus I removed the Buzzfeed reference to Greenblatt producing the 9 to 5 musical in the 80s because it wasn't particularly relevant and the wrong time line was given (it was 2008). Ducold ( talk) 15:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
It does not matter that the BuzzFeed article has a lot of sources with a point of view. That's life. Real people have points of view. We have to include their points of view, with proper attribution of course, if we want to fulfill our mission of producing an encyclopedia.
The real world is not Wikipedia. We cannot, and do not, impose our own editorial policies on our sources. We are a tertiary source that relies primarily on secondary sources. The editorial filtration is more stringent the further you go down the chain from primary to tertiary; the system would not work otherwise.
( Stentorian mode off). More specifically, I added that bit about Greenblatt having produced 9 to 5 because it's very encyclopedic and relevant that a network executive who initiated a TV series about putting on a Broadway musical had himself produced a Broadway musical. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Aurthur's article was linked from sources whose reliability we do not doubt ( Huffington Post and The Daily Beast. Here, HuffPost's news editor admits that while the BuzzFeed story relies heavily on anonymous sources, "it seems to be accurate." I can't find any instance of anyone casting serious doubt on it, and it has become widely discussed.
It's not within our ambit to decide whether or not a story reliably reported is "likely untrue" or not and thus exclude it from an article. We have kept covering the allegations that a sitting U.S. Senator had sex with foreign prostitutes even as the story around them has changed from "possibly credible" to "apparently manufactured." Daniel Case ( talk) 05:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I have a better understanding now thanks; I appreciate the input. I have changed the title of the Production section that talks about this to "Production controversy", but I'm not sure that's really the right phrase. I do think that section title should be something more than a bland "Production" since it talks about some major issues the show had with Rebeck. Any thoughts? Update: I changed the title back to "Production" for now until there can be some feedback about it. Ducold ( talk) 10:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That article is noting more than un-encyclopedic gossip that adds nothing of value to readers. Caringtype1 ( talk) 17:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I have an issue with the article saying the show had enjoyed critical success. It hasn't. The original showrunner left, the second season has had bad ratings, and now, the show is on saturdays, probably being canceled. Why are we pretending this is a good show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.202.141 ( talk) 19:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm imagining listing songs by episode with characters/performers. I think Glee did this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evanwolf ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know how to put this into the article because most of what I've found on the subject is opinion pieces, but the story of season two was absolute crap. Eric Cable ! Talk 20:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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i suggest we make the recurring characters section recurring and guest, so we can add back in bernedette peters, grace gummer, and nick jonas(who is recurring because hell be in the finale.) Caringtype1 ( talk) 15:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't think we need to necessarily do that, we can indicate the guest artist on the particular episode page. Some show pages seem to have a guest list and others don't. But if it's decided to do it, I think a paragraph indicating more known guest artists would probably be enough. Ducold ( talk) 21:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm deleting Annaleigh Ashford from the section titled "Cameos" as her appearance does not meet Wikipedia's definition for a cameo:
"A cameo role or cameo appearance (often shortened to just cameo; English pronunciation: /ˈkæmioʊ/) is a brief appearance of a known person in a work of the performing arts, such as plays, films, video games[1] and television, often appearing as themselves."
While Ms. Ashford may be a fine actress, she is not well-known. Smash is noted for featuring cameos by well-known Broadway figures playing themselves. We should keep this section to include only examples of those.
Dr Hugo Z Hackenbush ( talk) 16:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I have to say, I know who AA is, but i don't know a single other cameo, so.. Caringtype1 ( talk) 03:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
February 2012; Robert Greenblatt, Chairman of NBC Entertainment: NBCUniversal cable networks are joining forces to create a formidable “cable roadblock” to promote NBC’s musical drama “ Smash (TV series)” from 12 a.m.-1 a.m. (ET/PT) The participating networks include USA (network), Bravo (network), Style (network), Oxygen (network), G4 and mun2, which will re-broadcast the series premiere of “ Smash” from 12 a.m.-1 a.m. (ET/PT). E! will air the first episode from 12:30 a.m.-1:30 a.m. (ET/PT), while Universal HD and Cloo will carry the drama at 12 a.m. ET/9 p.m. PT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.148.253 ( talk) 17:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I removed the recent additions by Daniel Case that quoted from the Buzzfeed article http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/how-smash-became-tvs-biggest-train-wreck%7Cnewspaper ("How Smash Became TV's Biggest Trainwreck") on problems behind the scenes of the show. The issue I took with it is that it was full of anonymous sources that talked smack about Rebeck and some others (but mostly Rebeck) and seemed to border or actually cross the line on slandering real people that Wikipedia frowns on. Now I'm wondering, was that the right thing to do or am I mistaken on what Wikipedia's policy is and how the other editors feel about such things? Plus I removed the Buzzfeed reference to Greenblatt producing the 9 to 5 musical in the 80s because it wasn't particularly relevant and the wrong time line was given (it was 2008). Ducold ( talk) 15:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
It does not matter that the BuzzFeed article has a lot of sources with a point of view. That's life. Real people have points of view. We have to include their points of view, with proper attribution of course, if we want to fulfill our mission of producing an encyclopedia.
The real world is not Wikipedia. We cannot, and do not, impose our own editorial policies on our sources. We are a tertiary source that relies primarily on secondary sources. The editorial filtration is more stringent the further you go down the chain from primary to tertiary; the system would not work otherwise.
( Stentorian mode off). More specifically, I added that bit about Greenblatt having produced 9 to 5 because it's very encyclopedic and relevant that a network executive who initiated a TV series about putting on a Broadway musical had himself produced a Broadway musical. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Aurthur's article was linked from sources whose reliability we do not doubt ( Huffington Post and The Daily Beast. Here, HuffPost's news editor admits that while the BuzzFeed story relies heavily on anonymous sources, "it seems to be accurate." I can't find any instance of anyone casting serious doubt on it, and it has become widely discussed.
It's not within our ambit to decide whether or not a story reliably reported is "likely untrue" or not and thus exclude it from an article. We have kept covering the allegations that a sitting U.S. Senator had sex with foreign prostitutes even as the story around them has changed from "possibly credible" to "apparently manufactured." Daniel Case ( talk) 05:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I have a better understanding now thanks; I appreciate the input. I have changed the title of the Production section that talks about this to "Production controversy", but I'm not sure that's really the right phrase. I do think that section title should be something more than a bland "Production" since it talks about some major issues the show had with Rebeck. Any thoughts? Update: I changed the title back to "Production" for now until there can be some feedback about it. Ducold ( talk) 10:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That article is noting more than un-encyclopedic gossip that adds nothing of value to readers. Caringtype1 ( talk) 17:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I have an issue with the article saying the show had enjoyed critical success. It hasn't. The original showrunner left, the second season has had bad ratings, and now, the show is on saturdays, probably being canceled. Why are we pretending this is a good show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.202.141 ( talk) 19:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm imagining listing songs by episode with characters/performers. I think Glee did this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evanwolf ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know how to put this into the article because most of what I've found on the subject is opinion pieces, but the story of season two was absolute crap. Eric Cable ! Talk 20:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)