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This entire article is hopelessly out of date and most of the supporting links do not work.
It should be removed from Wikipedia until such time that it meets Wikipedia's standards for correct information. Scottca075 ( talk) 00:35, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the question of "rapid transit vs. light rail," the rolling stock that would be used on the line is closer to what is used on other light rail systems in the United States than a typical rapid transit system (see this brochure from the official website
here.) The city chose to build an elevated system to minimize the physical footprint of the rail line (see the "Why will the tracks be elevated?" question
here.)
Musashi1600 (
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09:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I finally finished my copyedit. The research looks very thorough, although I will point out that I know absolutely nothing about rail projects. Kudos for your hard work. Below are some comments from my read-through. Feel free to implement or ignore them as you will.
Good luck with this article! If you have any questions, please let me know. Scartol • Tok 13:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, is there any way to make the image of the route a bit smaller, or to otherwise reconfigure it so it is a bit more compact? As it is now, the pic takes up a lot of space, creating a large white spot on the screen after the end of the article. This is a bit distracting on the eyes... - Pax85 ( talk) 21:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Has any decision been made on the rolling stock (i.e. manufacturer and type of train) yet? Will the trains be powered by third rail or overhead wire? -- Jfruh ( talk) 13:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The official page uses the less turgid name "Honolulu Rail Transit", time to move this page there? The name certainly seems more popular, Google New gets lots of hits for "honolulu rail" but precisely one for "Honolulu High-Capacity Transit Corridor Project". Jpatokal ( talk) 12:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the section "Planned stations" as its text was copied word-for-word from TheBus (Honolulu), which is the more appropriate article for that information. Fenwayguy ( talk) 05:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Intro says that Honolulu will use 2-car trains. A decision was made earlier this year to use 4-car 256-ft trains, instead. Milbrooky, September 30, 2014
Perhaps HART would be willing to release its maps to the public domain, or perhaps someone would like to recreate: [3] -- Beland ( talk) 02:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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I have just begun reading some material about this project and it would seem to deserve a separate section outline the criticism of the proposal. This seems to be somewhat buried in the article. Also the opening should reference the blowout in budget and scheduled opening. Overall the article needs an update but I'm sure there are others out there who are more familiar with it than me, for reasons indicated. Tjej ( talk) 12:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Tthe "Timeline of progress" needs to be brought up to date Tjej ( talk) 12:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
HART submitted a new recovery plan to the FTA in Sep-17 with an estimated cost of $9.023 billion which has been added to the article. There's a comment on the article cited as a reference - [1] that says this excludes certain costs properly caused by the project. This isn't a satisfactory reference to include in Wikipedia but it is worth noting as something to keep in mind when updating the page in future. "I think this headline is very misleading. The $1 billion reduction includes at least $430 million in HART administrative costs that are now the responsibility of city taxpayers. The other big chunk is reduced financing costs. There was also a bit of rounding to get to the $10 billion. Now that costs are split between HART, the city (for HART’s administrative budget and ADA compliance work) and the state (for additional oversight), it will be especially challenging to figure out how much rail is costing us." 00:51, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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Someone needs to fix the route map. The way it is showing up (at least on a mobile browser) is as html code. I’m not familiar with the template, so I don’t think I’d want to make a fix and have it not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekynerdyguy1996 ( talk • contribs) 06:25, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Questions for the locals and thinking out loud... we still include the West Kapolei extensions and Waikiki/UH Mānoa branch extensions. Is there any real discussion about doing those? From what I can tell by reading the websites and documents, this is more of a "dream" or future planning discussion, not a serious proposal at this point. If that's the case, I'd like to remove those until they're more solidly planned. Thoughts? -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 17:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Epicgenius! I noticed you recently moved/renamed the article from "Skyline (Hawaii)" to "Skyline (Honolulu)". I fear this may be confusing for some since the county of Honolulu is different from city of Honolulu. The "city" definition is what the vast majority of people mean when they use the word "Honolulu", and this is what the article for Honolulu describes well. While located in what used to be called "Oʻahu County" and is now technically called "The City & County of Honolulu", the rail does not reach Honolulu city yet (seen in the article and in the tabled route diagram too). Per WP:PRECISE which you cited in the move log, I believe it would be much clearer for the article to be named "Skyline (Oahu)" – as it serves the island of Oʻahu, not just (or in fact at all, at this point) the city of Honolulu. The current "(Honolulu)" parenthetical is confusing because it's unclear whether this would refer to the city or the county – and the county definition is essentially never used on a day-to-day, common-use basis by either locals or visitors. Please let me know if you have any objections to the article being moved. @ RickyCourtney, you may want to to weigh in as well since you've been doing many helpful edits to the article recently too. Thanks! – Fpmfpm ( talk) 06:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
I had added an edit about Skyline being colloquially referred to as rail, but I see that it has since been reverted. I don't see why not to add it, as many news articles and stories still commonly refer to it as "rail" as well as it being a largely used term. See: [4] [5] [6] [7] among others.
That is compared to very few articles which use Skyline by name consistently. [8] [9]
Essentially, the first few use rail as the name for the entire system itself (e.g., riding rail) versus the later which has it more as the type of transportation (e.g., riding the rail, riding Skyline). I don't see why not having "rail" is a problem, given that it is largely the common name given to Skyline and is often used to refer to it as a whole. Other railway systems are known by different names, such as the MBTA subway being known as the "T", Chicago's "L", or the Washington Metro just being called the "Metro". I don't see why this is any different.
Pacamah ( talk) 09:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I made an edit that was reverted with the comment: "APTA considers this system to be heavy rail, not light rail". Yet the very first sentence of the article describes it as a "light metro" system, as well as the infobox. So which is it? I'm not a rail expert and have no opinion, but the article should be consistent. (My was not really about so much about the specific classification, but rather avoiding the misleadingly vague term "metro system") Pimlottc ( talk) 22:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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This entire article is hopelessly out of date and most of the supporting links do not work.
It should be removed from Wikipedia until such time that it meets Wikipedia's standards for correct information. Scottca075 ( talk) 00:35, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the question of "rapid transit vs. light rail," the rolling stock that would be used on the line is closer to what is used on other light rail systems in the United States than a typical rapid transit system (see this brochure from the official website
here.) The city chose to build an elevated system to minimize the physical footprint of the rail line (see the "Why will the tracks be elevated?" question
here.)
Musashi1600 (
talk)
09:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I finally finished my copyedit. The research looks very thorough, although I will point out that I know absolutely nothing about rail projects. Kudos for your hard work. Below are some comments from my read-through. Feel free to implement or ignore them as you will.
Good luck with this article! If you have any questions, please let me know. Scartol • Tok 13:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, is there any way to make the image of the route a bit smaller, or to otherwise reconfigure it so it is a bit more compact? As it is now, the pic takes up a lot of space, creating a large white spot on the screen after the end of the article. This is a bit distracting on the eyes... - Pax85 ( talk) 21:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Has any decision been made on the rolling stock (i.e. manufacturer and type of train) yet? Will the trains be powered by third rail or overhead wire? -- Jfruh ( talk) 13:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The official page uses the less turgid name "Honolulu Rail Transit", time to move this page there? The name certainly seems more popular, Google New gets lots of hits for "honolulu rail" but precisely one for "Honolulu High-Capacity Transit Corridor Project". Jpatokal ( talk) 12:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the section "Planned stations" as its text was copied word-for-word from TheBus (Honolulu), which is the more appropriate article for that information. Fenwayguy ( talk) 05:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Intro says that Honolulu will use 2-car trains. A decision was made earlier this year to use 4-car 256-ft trains, instead. Milbrooky, September 30, 2014
Perhaps HART would be willing to release its maps to the public domain, or perhaps someone would like to recreate: [3] -- Beland ( talk) 02:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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I have just begun reading some material about this project and it would seem to deserve a separate section outline the criticism of the proposal. This seems to be somewhat buried in the article. Also the opening should reference the blowout in budget and scheduled opening. Overall the article needs an update but I'm sure there are others out there who are more familiar with it than me, for reasons indicated. Tjej ( talk) 12:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Tthe "Timeline of progress" needs to be brought up to date Tjej ( talk) 12:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
HART submitted a new recovery plan to the FTA in Sep-17 with an estimated cost of $9.023 billion which has been added to the article. There's a comment on the article cited as a reference - [1] that says this excludes certain costs properly caused by the project. This isn't a satisfactory reference to include in Wikipedia but it is worth noting as something to keep in mind when updating the page in future. "I think this headline is very misleading. The $1 billion reduction includes at least $430 million in HART administrative costs that are now the responsibility of city taxpayers. The other big chunk is reduced financing costs. There was also a bit of rounding to get to the $10 billion. Now that costs are split between HART, the city (for HART’s administrative budget and ADA compliance work) and the state (for additional oversight), it will be especially challenging to figure out how much rail is costing us." 00:51, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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Someone needs to fix the route map. The way it is showing up (at least on a mobile browser) is as html code. I’m not familiar with the template, so I don’t think I’d want to make a fix and have it not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekynerdyguy1996 ( talk • contribs) 06:25, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Questions for the locals and thinking out loud... we still include the West Kapolei extensions and Waikiki/UH Mānoa branch extensions. Is there any real discussion about doing those? From what I can tell by reading the websites and documents, this is more of a "dream" or future planning discussion, not a serious proposal at this point. If that's the case, I'd like to remove those until they're more solidly planned. Thoughts? -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 17:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Epicgenius! I noticed you recently moved/renamed the article from "Skyline (Hawaii)" to "Skyline (Honolulu)". I fear this may be confusing for some since the county of Honolulu is different from city of Honolulu. The "city" definition is what the vast majority of people mean when they use the word "Honolulu", and this is what the article for Honolulu describes well. While located in what used to be called "Oʻahu County" and is now technically called "The City & County of Honolulu", the rail does not reach Honolulu city yet (seen in the article and in the tabled route diagram too). Per WP:PRECISE which you cited in the move log, I believe it would be much clearer for the article to be named "Skyline (Oahu)" – as it serves the island of Oʻahu, not just (or in fact at all, at this point) the city of Honolulu. The current "(Honolulu)" parenthetical is confusing because it's unclear whether this would refer to the city or the county – and the county definition is essentially never used on a day-to-day, common-use basis by either locals or visitors. Please let me know if you have any objections to the article being moved. @ RickyCourtney, you may want to to weigh in as well since you've been doing many helpful edits to the article recently too. Thanks! – Fpmfpm ( talk) 06:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
I had added an edit about Skyline being colloquially referred to as rail, but I see that it has since been reverted. I don't see why not to add it, as many news articles and stories still commonly refer to it as "rail" as well as it being a largely used term. See: [4] [5] [6] [7] among others.
That is compared to very few articles which use Skyline by name consistently. [8] [9]
Essentially, the first few use rail as the name for the entire system itself (e.g., riding rail) versus the later which has it more as the type of transportation (e.g., riding the rail, riding Skyline). I don't see why not having "rail" is a problem, given that it is largely the common name given to Skyline and is often used to refer to it as a whole. Other railway systems are known by different names, such as the MBTA subway being known as the "T", Chicago's "L", or the Washington Metro just being called the "Metro". I don't see why this is any different.
Pacamah ( talk) 09:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I made an edit that was reverted with the comment: "APTA considers this system to be heavy rail, not light rail". Yet the very first sentence of the article describes it as a "light metro" system, as well as the infobox. So which is it? I'm not a rail expert and have no opinion, but the article should be consistent. (My was not really about so much about the specific classification, but rather avoiding the misleadingly vague term "metro system") Pimlottc ( talk) 22:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)