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@ Poseidon0601: I think Sastry's paper looks well-researched and it would be nice to include it, but it looks to me like it hasn't been published anywhere. Do you know of a journal or anything that has published it that I simply failed to find? If not, I'm afraid we really shouldn't add a self-published source. -- Fyrael ( talk) 20:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
There is no doubt that chariots and horses were a familiar sight in India five thousand years ago.
I have question if this vehicle found is cart which is pulled by bull then why did that ancient people decoreted this cart like Chariot? Please explain me. Srimant ROSHAN ( talk) 05:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Anthony, David W. (2006), "The Prehistory of Scythian Cavalry: The Evolution of Fighting on Horseback", in Aruz, Joan; Farkas, Ann; Valtz Fino, Elisabetta (eds.), The Golden Deer of Eurasia: Perspectives on the Steppe Nomads of the Ancient World, Metropolitan Museum of Art (New York, N.Y.): ""Wagons have four wheels, carts have two, and chariots have two spoked wheels, so that the vehicles on the Ur Standard are wagons, not chariots, as they are often called." Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Actually the question here is not of chariot or cart. The real question are
Have you seen the chariot of Puri Jagannātha? They are huge solid wheel. You can call those rathas as Chariot. But the standard definition of chariot doesn’t contain a solid-wheel. Regarding horse: The Sinauli finds are not without any images of animals. They contained motifs of bull head. If these carts were indeed pulled by horse, surely there would be some artistic representation of horse from the very finds. But there weren’t any so far. ChandlerMinh ( talk) 12:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Two interesting blogs by Razib Khan on Sintashta and the invention of the chariot:
If you have an interest in the domestic horse (I have) you are aware it’s the product of massive demographic radiation from a small founder population. With ancient DNA we now know where it started: with the Sintashta people of the Volga to the Ural steppe 4,000 years ago.
This is not totally surprising, because we know that the Sintashta were highly warlike and they invented the light war-chariot.
Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
“because we know that the Sintashta were highly warlike and they invented the light war-chariot.
” what is the evidence for it?
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WITZEL TOLD :early aryan migration but what is the evidence of that migration? and why only leftist historians like witzel have to considered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:2390:3D74:85A9:B2A4:E20B:E24D ( talk) 23:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
In the the article the term "Cart" is used to describe an artefact which clearly resembles a "Chariot" and the claim that there are no evidences found in the subcontinent which points towards the existence of horses before the invasion of Aryan (as per the theory). Although there have been various evidences which do support the existence of horse in the subcontinent before the invasion.
And the other issue in the article was that it have a political statement which was used to prove a claim rather than a scientifically backed research.
I will describe more on this as the people reading this react. Thank you SuVritra ( talk) 19:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I've done a bit of cleanup of non-rs sources. It's not easy because we have cited notes, cited references, cited news sources, all organised differently. And for some reason printed sources have no citations. Not a very good article either. Doug Weller talk 14:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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@ Poseidon0601: I think Sastry's paper looks well-researched and it would be nice to include it, but it looks to me like it hasn't been published anywhere. Do you know of a journal or anything that has published it that I simply failed to find? If not, I'm afraid we really shouldn't add a self-published source. -- Fyrael ( talk) 20:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
There is no doubt that chariots and horses were a familiar sight in India five thousand years ago.
I have question if this vehicle found is cart which is pulled by bull then why did that ancient people decoreted this cart like Chariot? Please explain me. Srimant ROSHAN ( talk) 05:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Anthony, David W. (2006), "The Prehistory of Scythian Cavalry: The Evolution of Fighting on Horseback", in Aruz, Joan; Farkas, Ann; Valtz Fino, Elisabetta (eds.), The Golden Deer of Eurasia: Perspectives on the Steppe Nomads of the Ancient World, Metropolitan Museum of Art (New York, N.Y.): ""Wagons have four wheels, carts have two, and chariots have two spoked wheels, so that the vehicles on the Ur Standard are wagons, not chariots, as they are often called." Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Actually the question here is not of chariot or cart. The real question are
Have you seen the chariot of Puri Jagannātha? They are huge solid wheel. You can call those rathas as Chariot. But the standard definition of chariot doesn’t contain a solid-wheel. Regarding horse: The Sinauli finds are not without any images of animals. They contained motifs of bull head. If these carts were indeed pulled by horse, surely there would be some artistic representation of horse from the very finds. But there weren’t any so far. ChandlerMinh ( talk) 12:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Two interesting blogs by Razib Khan on Sintashta and the invention of the chariot:
If you have an interest in the domestic horse (I have) you are aware it’s the product of massive demographic radiation from a small founder population. With ancient DNA we now know where it started: with the Sintashta people of the Volga to the Ural steppe 4,000 years ago.
This is not totally surprising, because we know that the Sintashta were highly warlike and they invented the light war-chariot.
Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
“because we know that the Sintashta were highly warlike and they invented the light war-chariot.
” what is the evidence for it?
ChandlerMinh (
talk)
16:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
WITZEL TOLD :early aryan migration but what is the evidence of that migration? and why only leftist historians like witzel have to considered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:2390:3D74:85A9:B2A4:E20B:E24D ( talk) 23:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
In the the article the term "Cart" is used to describe an artefact which clearly resembles a "Chariot" and the claim that there are no evidences found in the subcontinent which points towards the existence of horses before the invasion of Aryan (as per the theory). Although there have been various evidences which do support the existence of horse in the subcontinent before the invasion.
And the other issue in the article was that it have a political statement which was used to prove a claim rather than a scientifically backed research.
I will describe more on this as the people reading this react. Thank you SuVritra ( talk) 19:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I've done a bit of cleanup of non-rs sources. It's not easy because we have cited notes, cited references, cited news sources, all organised differently. And for some reason printed sources have no citations. Not a very good article either. Doug Weller talk 14:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)