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I've removed the following addition because in my experience it applies to many dogs of many breeds and is not, in fact, "an extraordinary personality trait of the Shiba":
Elf | Talk 03:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please change the horrible title picture of the Shiba Inu? If I saw it on the street I wouldn't think it was a Shiba at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.245.201.162 ( talk • contribs) 19 January 2007.
Thanks Ben, your the best!
What exactly does "artlessness" imply? Lack of finesse, or what? Perhaps the article should elaborate on these "terms with subtle interpretations"? WolfieInu 14:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks... I'll opt for the first two definitions, I think :) -- WolfieInu 19:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that somewhere in this article there should be a topic on the shiba inus use on christmas cards. Anyone else agree? November 1 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.14.139 ( talk) 01:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that third Shiba picture excessive? It ruins the page's formatting.
How do you post pictures? I have a picture of my red Shiba that really shows off the cream markings mentioned at the end of the description paragraph.
The kanji that is used in "Shiba Inu"
are the kanji for: "gather" and "Dog"
A shiba inu is a gathering dog. (hunting) 69.215.155.4 ( talk) 03:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
This whole article reads like a bad translation mixed with healthy dollops of bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.238.84.196 ( talk) 09:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Should mention of the Shiba Inu Puppy Cam be included? With an average of at least 15,000 viewers a day, I'd say it's a pretty popular live video. Morhange ( talk) 16:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I found the "Little Brushwood Dog" name to be a bit odd, but upon checking a few sites I did indeed find this name mentioned. Is there anyone who knows in what context this literal translation of the dog's name is used? CES 15:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
-As far as I understand, Shiba Inus are considered an ancient breed, therefore the old Japan meaning of 'shiba' should be used, not the newer one. As the old Japanese meaning of 'shiba' is 'little' or 'small' I think the literal translation is 'small dog of Japan'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poeticfantasy ( talk • contribs) 21:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
--柴, the Kanji used in modern day Japan to write "shiba", typically means brushwood.-- 67.171.205.23 ( talk) 20:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Here they are in case anyone wants to use them for ref's but as is they're pretty much linkspam.
Luminifer ( talk) 05:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
It might be nice to get this to Good Article status, and beyond. The first step to that would be to take any possible OR statements and figure out whether or not they can be sourced, and where to do it. Several have already been done by someone (thanks for that BTW) and I have marked a few more. Another note of concern is the gallery, that might not fly well on GA, and the opinion majority on that has changed a couple times in the past so its something to look into. If it needs to be cut down or removed, it might be good to develop an attempt at consensus on what stays before we start pruning the gallery and integrating the choice images into the article. Like I said I'm not familiar on the most up to date policies regarding galleries, so it may be perfectly acceptable. This article may also need sections added to it to flesh out its encyclopedic value. If anyone has any input on that it would be great!-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 21:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Since "Shiba Inu" is a Japanese word, it doesn't fallow English pluralization rules. The plural form of Shiba Inu is Shiba Inu the same goes for the words when used by themselves. Therefore I have changed "Shibas" to "Shiba" and "Inus" to "Inu" 69.215.155.4 ( talk) 03:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, could we have some sort of site for this? I belong to 3 groups, and own one myself, and we always say "Shibas" as the plural. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.14.139 ( talk) 21:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plural> Hit Ctrl+F and type in japanese to find the section where it talks about japanese plurals.
Even if shiba inu had a plural, it would be with an "s." 69.215.155.4 ( talk) 02:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I am a year and a half late to this conversation, but should this issue arise again: Shiba/Shiba Inu has undoubtedly entered the English language, so whatever the commonly used English plural is should be used here. This is standard Wikipedia policy. CES ( talk) 02:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Expanding on that a little, I'll shed a little light on it; I read on a Basset Hound psychology book, that part of the reason Bassets don't obey, is because they are extremely intelligent, in fact, not just among dogs, Basset Hounds are the smartest of all canines. Part of the reason they are so annoying, is their great intelligence; they KNOW, they are getting under your skin. They know how to "read" you. No joke, Bassets are real S.O.B.'s; with the Shina Inu, if obedience training is difficult, it is because of its intelligence. Dog psychologists have conclusively demonstrated, that some dog breeds don't obey because they truly believe themselves smarter than people.
"I'm a Basset Hound and I'm smarter than you; go to hell." I hate to say it, but that's what they're thinking. Canines of all breeds are notoriously hard to trap, especially the wolf, dingo, and fox. Wolves however are especially dangerous; as a mongol wolf hunter said once, they almost think like people. As a matter of fact there is a pack of coyote where I live that, whenever I feel stressed, whenever I feel fear, and anxious to leave, they begin to howl. They sense, they know, this area is being abandoned, and as I am the sole member of the "pack" that used to live here they are trying to get me to leave.
Jesus christ even the wildlife is wanting to throw me out....
That's just "hilarious." Haha.
Alright alright I'll stop it with the Rodney Dangerfield bit; the point I'm trying to make is that I think those creatures (canines) are much more intelligent than people give them credit for. I doubt, their intelligence reaches people levels, but, you give a creature half as smart as a human being (roughly) enhanced senses, and a sensitive nose and man, they can be really dangerous. Especially if they work in packs. I know this may sound far fetched, even ridiculous or stupid, but I truly, genuinely feel, those damned coyote are trying to get me to leave.
I do not believe, stories about wolf, fox, and dingo intelligence, are myths at all; I truly believe most canines are in fact, half as intelligent as people are and in fact smarter than dolphins. They may be even smart enough to HIDE the fact.
67.148.120.100 ( talk) 07:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)stardingo747
How much should one expect to pay for a eight week old shiba? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.12.75 ( talk) 18:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Well when I got my Shiba Inu she was a year old and cost $700 and the breeder sold puppies for $800 Canadian (
Dirrtypittie (
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This may be well past the point of usefulness for the original person. But When I was looking to buy my Shiba, someone said you should never be afraid to pay too much. Sure you can buy a dog cheap, but that might come with some hidden "surprises" from poor breeding. In the long run, paying an extra $300 might save you more than you initially spent. That said, I paid $700 for my Shiba. But I have seen them priced anywhere between $1000 - $2000. It all depends on whether you want show quality, good breeding, etc. The best advice is to research the potential breeder, a good one will not be offended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PedanticSophist ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I was recently watching an AKC dog show and when they got to the Shiba-inu they mentioned that it was used to hunt bears. Now I know there is a breed of Japanese dog called the Hokkaido that could fight bears. It may be a mistake on the announcers part or it might not. Thought I'd discuss the subject before I add anything. So has anyone else heard this? If so, source? I'll be looking around myself. PedanticSophist ( talk) 01:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
This seems like the appropriate place to discuss what pictures belong on this page. Two pictures seem reasonable given the length of the article. The only consensus I have seen on the other page was that the image should be changed to a clearly improperly marked dog. This was probably due to bad information. I saw no consensus whatsoever in changing the image again. Let us discuss on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker454 ( talk • contribs) 04:30, April 1, 2011
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I'd like to request for comment on these two. I think the current image is not a good image for the article. Because the ears are too big, the hair in the ears is too thin, the eyes are too big and round, and the face is too thin for the standard. And the face of the dog reminds me of that of Chihuahua (dog). See also these images. [3], [4], and [5]. Which image do you think is appropriate for the article? Thank you. Oda Mari ( talk) 10:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
From my browsing of other dog pages there sometimes is a list of famous dogs of that breed or historic examples. So this is part request/part addition; but I didn't want to add anything until there was a decent list or I got input from others. I know of one supposedly famous or noteworthy shiba-inu. There's a Japanese movie that came out in 2007 that is supposed to be based off a true story. The movie is called Mari and Three Puppies. It tells the story of shiba-inu that was adopted, had three puppies, and right afterwards was in the 2004 Chūetsu earthquake. The story goes that Mari found her owners, a little girl and her grandfather, trapped after the quake and unable to get them out led rescue workers to them. Unfortunately, the rescuers were unable to take Mari and her pups with them and left them behind. The movie goes into what happens between Mari's abandonment and the reuniting with her owner. The only information I have right now is what I've just written. As I'm bored right now I thought I'd at least get some groundwork put in in the off chance others know something.
Wikipedia article on the Mari movie: A Tale of Mari and Three Puppies
Here's the Rotten Tomatoes entry for the video: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a-tale-of-mari-and-three-puppies/
And the official site: http://mari-movie.jp/ PedanticSophist ( talk) 05:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The white or sometimes called cream Japanese Shiba Inu is not recognised in many countries of the world but it is recognised in the UK. The Kennel Club includes the colour white/cream in the breed standard for the Japanese Shiba Inu, therefore this colour is totally acceptable in the breed and judges should always be aware of this and must not disregard a dog of this colour purely because of the colour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.181.166 ( talk) 15:34, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
A user repeatedly added an image of the dog which seemed to me a substandard of the breed. I talked with the user on the project talk page that the image was not appropriate. Another user agreed with me. But that's the only one response. So I want more comments on the matter. Oda Mari ( talk) 05:45, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I do not have vested interest. I have stated this many times. What I do have is a problem with Oda Mari (your friend or not, but I think so) pushing her personal and by standards inferior dog on the page. Don't combat me, combat the dog. Oda Mari's dog is not a good example. Whatever my name may or may not be, lets stick to the issue. THE DOGS!!!!! Is Oda Mari's dog a breed standard? NO!!!!! Not even close. If you feel the need to dispute that, PLEASE do so. But my user name has nothing to do with that. Obviously. Tucker454 ( talk) 11:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't think a "dispute resolution" is necessary. Just look at the dogs. It does not matter who uploaded them if they are better examples. Let's stick on that huh? Your fascination/focus on "who" uploaded the dogs seems rather silly to me when you don't want to discuss the dogs themselves to the slightest degree. Let use discuss the dogs. What are the "Akina" images flaws compared to the previous image flaws. Using AKC standards. By all means, let me know. Tucker454 ( talk) 12:18, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
And, I guess to get back to the point - the image I originally removed, and you (Oda Mari) repeatedly replaced - was a horrible example of a Shiba Inu. While I will fully accept and acknowledge that there is more to a dog than coloration, a dog with coloration that is clearly and plainly disallowed by any and all accepted standards is by simple definition a bad example. There is no reason whatsoever that image belongs on here. The replacement picture you posted is a poor quality image that shows none of the markings that make a black and white or tri color Shiba. It is grainy, small and does not show what it needs to. This has been agreed upon. I do not understand the absolute objection to the "Akina" image. Is it not appropriate if a person has a better free use image to use it? I would imagine 95%+ of the free use images are uploaded for use by the uploader. Who are the users uploading images "just cause?" I am curious as to your grandstanding objection to this image. Given the THREE separate times you have chosen to object to this, I am curious to your motives. If the first time and second time were not enough, what are you wanting for? And assuming this THIRD time does not "meet your fancy" do you intend to start a FOURTH Q&A? Tucker454 ( talk) 10:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
While you now admit that the second image is not appropriate, I would like to remind you that your first objection was in blatant support of this image. In fact, you replaced it several times. Until I explained each and every fault to you, one by one, you stood by that dog. When you realized you were wrong - your objective became the removal of the Akina image - as seen by your actions.
As for the COI - I had a better image and used it. That is not COI.
And if I can ask again - you have brought this up three times already, and not come to the conclusion you wanted yet. Assuming this time doesn't give you what you want - then what? I imagine a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th time unless little Oda gets her way? Tucker454 ( talk) 09:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded the Akina image because I had it at my disposal and it was and is a better example of the breed standard than the previous picture and the image that Oda has been pushing since. #9 is good as well - better overall. I don't think there need to be two pictures, but Oda has heavily pushed the substandard and poor pictures she has found. I compromised by putting a better picture of a better dog in as well, she previously had removed the image many times. Other than the two people I would say have been instigators, the consensus has been that the Akina image represents a good dog, but I wholly agree that it is a poor picture (and that has been agreed upon as well).
If the vote goes for using #9, I say go for it. But it does seem questionable to me, given the uploader's objection. All seems pretty silly to me, I have a black and tan Shiba Inu sitting next to me right now. It is a better example of the coloration than the pictures available (on par with #9) and I could just take a better picture and post it. So could anyone else for that matter. My objection has been to a poor original dog, and then a poor original image.
Whatever comes of this, I have seen only a few points of major agreement. #1, the original image (the one Oda wanted first) was bad and #2) the image on the right of the article (Oda's second choice) is a poor image. The Akina image is a good one, and back to the original point, enough people have agreed on this point to end this argument in my opinion. If there is a BETTER image than the Akina image, use it. But the Akina image does not look like a Chihuahua, she is not "unrecognizable" as a member of the breed, and the image at least shows the main coloration of the breed, even if is a bad picture. This has degraded into nonsense. Tucker454 ( talk) 09:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I think that because I uploaded this image, you feel I am using this as a show page for my image. That is not the case. It is just a better image, not the best. When a better one comes along, put it on for goodness sakes. But to the original question, the Akina image is a better image of a better dog. I realize that you are not for it, that is fine. But you can't be against image #1, #2, and #3 unless the compromise is to remove all images. So far, the Akina image is the better image. When a better image is uploaded I will support it, what I don't support is removing the Akina image out of someones spite. That is absurd. Had Oda Mari simply found a better image, and I am SURE there are some, this would never have been an issue at all. But instead she chose as a sole goal the removal of what several people feel is a better image. And among a pool of what basically everyone has said is poor images and poor dogs, the best so far. Tucker454 ( talk) 08:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I've just posted the link to this debate up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs#RFC for Shiba image. It directly relates to the dog breed task force. — anndelion ※ 14:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
To centralize what seems to be the consensus right now, I'm putting up the following proposal; feel free to modify if it I got something wrong. My comments are in brackets:
Bueno o no? :) — anndelion ❋ 07:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
A little curious that the current tricolor Shiba is a virtual clone of the Akina image. I thought that was voted out as being inappropriate. Any explanation to that fact? Tucker454 ( talk) 09:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Most insane part of this past debate? The image that is currently on the page, I do believe that it IS an image of my dog. Uploaded by someone else. LOL The worst part about Wikipedia is that you get some butthurt little wiki tyrants that cause a HUGE stir about nothing. Without involvement, the same dog ended up on the page? "Perhaps" this was a dog that looks exactly like my own, taken on a rug that looks exactly like one I own - the world is huge, so there is a possibility. Just funny to check this more than a year later and see my dog on here. LOL. Tucker454 ( talk) 11:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Just passing through and noticed this. Ummel ( talk) 16:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Is the name of this dog "shiba inu" (all lowercase), "Shiba inu" (lowercase i) or "Shiba Inu" (word caps)? George8211 conversations 19:56, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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Recognition of the 'doge' meme in the popular culture section would be helpful. 88.104.243.104 ( talk) 13:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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ElHef (
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15:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)I recently attempted to add the nicknames Shibe and Doge to the nickname list for this breed and the change was rejected due to the nicknames not being "AKC". I contacted the AKC and they responded that they do not have or manage an official list of breed nicknames.
My Query to the AKC: Hello, the Shiba Inu breed has two nicknames which have become prevalent - 'Shibe' and 'Doge'. I attempted to edit the Wikipedia article for Shiba Inu to include these two nicknames but a moderator informed me that Shibe and Doge are not official AKC nicknames for the Shiba Inu breed and he reverted my changes. I was wondering if those two nicknames could become official nicknames for the breed Shiba Inu. They are ubiquitously used throughout the internet and on television. Currently the nickname 'Shiba' is the only official nickname, and as you can see that is not very much different from 'Shibe' which is more widely used today. Please look into this and let me know if this can be changed! Thanks so much - John
Their Response: Hello John, We don't have a list of nicknames for the breeds that we register and we wouldn't have or make an official list of nicknames. Sigga AKC Customer Service Representative http://www.akc.org/ 919-233-9767 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbzlabrat ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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What is the reason for changing "dog" to "doge"? Merriam-Webster inu says that it is a dog. George8211 conversations 08:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
So we have all of these: Category:Internet memes and this article can't contain a reference about the meme it spawned, why is that?
Hello,
I do not understand why even a little bit of trivia can be added to the Shiba Inu page. Why not have a little fun once in a little while, eh? (And yes, I do understand what Wikipedia is, so try not to use that as an excuse. What if future generations want to research internet memes? That is my question.) Hotelmason241 ( talk) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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Leaving aside the convoluted discussion above, I am establishing a new vote for/against the inclusion of the Doge meme in an "in popular culture" section. Please vote (with reasoning and signed!) below on whether or not we should include further mention of the meme. Once enough votes have been bladed to establish a consensus, the article can be amended if necessary. See my below vote for an example of how to vote. Felixphew ( talk) 00:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
This discussion will remain open, however consensus at the the time of this writing is that it should not be included. So please do not ask for it to be included! All edits to include the Doge meme should be immediately rolled back and the editor should be given a link to this discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felixphew ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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I've removed the following addition because in my experience it applies to many dogs of many breeds and is not, in fact, "an extraordinary personality trait of the Shiba":
Elf | Talk 03:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please change the horrible title picture of the Shiba Inu? If I saw it on the street I wouldn't think it was a Shiba at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.245.201.162 ( talk • contribs) 19 January 2007.
Thanks Ben, your the best!
What exactly does "artlessness" imply? Lack of finesse, or what? Perhaps the article should elaborate on these "terms with subtle interpretations"? WolfieInu 14:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks... I'll opt for the first two definitions, I think :) -- WolfieInu 19:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that somewhere in this article there should be a topic on the shiba inus use on christmas cards. Anyone else agree? November 1 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.14.139 ( talk) 01:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that third Shiba picture excessive? It ruins the page's formatting.
How do you post pictures? I have a picture of my red Shiba that really shows off the cream markings mentioned at the end of the description paragraph.
The kanji that is used in "Shiba Inu"
are the kanji for: "gather" and "Dog"
A shiba inu is a gathering dog. (hunting) 69.215.155.4 ( talk) 03:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
This whole article reads like a bad translation mixed with healthy dollops of bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.238.84.196 ( talk) 09:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Should mention of the Shiba Inu Puppy Cam be included? With an average of at least 15,000 viewers a day, I'd say it's a pretty popular live video. Morhange ( talk) 16:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I found the "Little Brushwood Dog" name to be a bit odd, but upon checking a few sites I did indeed find this name mentioned. Is there anyone who knows in what context this literal translation of the dog's name is used? CES 15:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
-As far as I understand, Shiba Inus are considered an ancient breed, therefore the old Japan meaning of 'shiba' should be used, not the newer one. As the old Japanese meaning of 'shiba' is 'little' or 'small' I think the literal translation is 'small dog of Japan'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poeticfantasy ( talk • contribs) 21:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
--柴, the Kanji used in modern day Japan to write "shiba", typically means brushwood.-- 67.171.205.23 ( talk) 20:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Here they are in case anyone wants to use them for ref's but as is they're pretty much linkspam.
Luminifer ( talk) 05:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
It might be nice to get this to Good Article status, and beyond. The first step to that would be to take any possible OR statements and figure out whether or not they can be sourced, and where to do it. Several have already been done by someone (thanks for that BTW) and I have marked a few more. Another note of concern is the gallery, that might not fly well on GA, and the opinion majority on that has changed a couple times in the past so its something to look into. If it needs to be cut down or removed, it might be good to develop an attempt at consensus on what stays before we start pruning the gallery and integrating the choice images into the article. Like I said I'm not familiar on the most up to date policies regarding galleries, so it may be perfectly acceptable. This article may also need sections added to it to flesh out its encyclopedic value. If anyone has any input on that it would be great!-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 21:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Since "Shiba Inu" is a Japanese word, it doesn't fallow English pluralization rules. The plural form of Shiba Inu is Shiba Inu the same goes for the words when used by themselves. Therefore I have changed "Shibas" to "Shiba" and "Inus" to "Inu" 69.215.155.4 ( talk) 03:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, could we have some sort of site for this? I belong to 3 groups, and own one myself, and we always say "Shibas" as the plural. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.14.139 ( talk) 21:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plural> Hit Ctrl+F and type in japanese to find the section where it talks about japanese plurals.
Even if shiba inu had a plural, it would be with an "s." 69.215.155.4 ( talk) 02:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I am a year and a half late to this conversation, but should this issue arise again: Shiba/Shiba Inu has undoubtedly entered the English language, so whatever the commonly used English plural is should be used here. This is standard Wikipedia policy. CES ( talk) 02:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Expanding on that a little, I'll shed a little light on it; I read on a Basset Hound psychology book, that part of the reason Bassets don't obey, is because they are extremely intelligent, in fact, not just among dogs, Basset Hounds are the smartest of all canines. Part of the reason they are so annoying, is their great intelligence; they KNOW, they are getting under your skin. They know how to "read" you. No joke, Bassets are real S.O.B.'s; with the Shina Inu, if obedience training is difficult, it is because of its intelligence. Dog psychologists have conclusively demonstrated, that some dog breeds don't obey because they truly believe themselves smarter than people.
"I'm a Basset Hound and I'm smarter than you; go to hell." I hate to say it, but that's what they're thinking. Canines of all breeds are notoriously hard to trap, especially the wolf, dingo, and fox. Wolves however are especially dangerous; as a mongol wolf hunter said once, they almost think like people. As a matter of fact there is a pack of coyote where I live that, whenever I feel stressed, whenever I feel fear, and anxious to leave, they begin to howl. They sense, they know, this area is being abandoned, and as I am the sole member of the "pack" that used to live here they are trying to get me to leave.
Jesus christ even the wildlife is wanting to throw me out....
That's just "hilarious." Haha.
Alright alright I'll stop it with the Rodney Dangerfield bit; the point I'm trying to make is that I think those creatures (canines) are much more intelligent than people give them credit for. I doubt, their intelligence reaches people levels, but, you give a creature half as smart as a human being (roughly) enhanced senses, and a sensitive nose and man, they can be really dangerous. Especially if they work in packs. I know this may sound far fetched, even ridiculous or stupid, but I truly, genuinely feel, those damned coyote are trying to get me to leave.
I do not believe, stories about wolf, fox, and dingo intelligence, are myths at all; I truly believe most canines are in fact, half as intelligent as people are and in fact smarter than dolphins. They may be even smart enough to HIDE the fact.
67.148.120.100 ( talk) 07:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)stardingo747
How much should one expect to pay for a eight week old shiba? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.12.75 ( talk) 18:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Well when I got my Shiba Inu she was a year old and cost $700 and the breeder sold puppies for $800 Canadian (
Dirrtypittie (
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This may be well past the point of usefulness for the original person. But When I was looking to buy my Shiba, someone said you should never be afraid to pay too much. Sure you can buy a dog cheap, but that might come with some hidden "surprises" from poor breeding. In the long run, paying an extra $300 might save you more than you initially spent. That said, I paid $700 for my Shiba. But I have seen them priced anywhere between $1000 - $2000. It all depends on whether you want show quality, good breeding, etc. The best advice is to research the potential breeder, a good one will not be offended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PedanticSophist ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I was recently watching an AKC dog show and when they got to the Shiba-inu they mentioned that it was used to hunt bears. Now I know there is a breed of Japanese dog called the Hokkaido that could fight bears. It may be a mistake on the announcers part or it might not. Thought I'd discuss the subject before I add anything. So has anyone else heard this? If so, source? I'll be looking around myself. PedanticSophist ( talk) 01:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
This seems like the appropriate place to discuss what pictures belong on this page. Two pictures seem reasonable given the length of the article. The only consensus I have seen on the other page was that the image should be changed to a clearly improperly marked dog. This was probably due to bad information. I saw no consensus whatsoever in changing the image again. Let us discuss on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker454 ( talk • contribs) 04:30, April 1, 2011
Note:This is the previous talk moved from the project talk page.
I'd like to request for comment on these two. I think the current image is not a good image for the article. Because the ears are too big, the hair in the ears is too thin, the eyes are too big and round, and the face is too thin for the standard. And the face of the dog reminds me of that of Chihuahua (dog). See also these images. [3], [4], and [5]. Which image do you think is appropriate for the article? Thank you. Oda Mari ( talk) 10:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
From my browsing of other dog pages there sometimes is a list of famous dogs of that breed or historic examples. So this is part request/part addition; but I didn't want to add anything until there was a decent list or I got input from others. I know of one supposedly famous or noteworthy shiba-inu. There's a Japanese movie that came out in 2007 that is supposed to be based off a true story. The movie is called Mari and Three Puppies. It tells the story of shiba-inu that was adopted, had three puppies, and right afterwards was in the 2004 Chūetsu earthquake. The story goes that Mari found her owners, a little girl and her grandfather, trapped after the quake and unable to get them out led rescue workers to them. Unfortunately, the rescuers were unable to take Mari and her pups with them and left them behind. The movie goes into what happens between Mari's abandonment and the reuniting with her owner. The only information I have right now is what I've just written. As I'm bored right now I thought I'd at least get some groundwork put in in the off chance others know something.
Wikipedia article on the Mari movie: A Tale of Mari and Three Puppies
Here's the Rotten Tomatoes entry for the video: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a-tale-of-mari-and-three-puppies/
And the official site: http://mari-movie.jp/ PedanticSophist ( talk) 05:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The white or sometimes called cream Japanese Shiba Inu is not recognised in many countries of the world but it is recognised in the UK. The Kennel Club includes the colour white/cream in the breed standard for the Japanese Shiba Inu, therefore this colour is totally acceptable in the breed and judges should always be aware of this and must not disregard a dog of this colour purely because of the colour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.181.166 ( talk) 15:34, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
A user repeatedly added an image of the dog which seemed to me a substandard of the breed. I talked with the user on the project talk page that the image was not appropriate. Another user agreed with me. But that's the only one response. So I want more comments on the matter. Oda Mari ( talk) 05:45, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I do not have vested interest. I have stated this many times. What I do have is a problem with Oda Mari (your friend or not, but I think so) pushing her personal and by standards inferior dog on the page. Don't combat me, combat the dog. Oda Mari's dog is not a good example. Whatever my name may or may not be, lets stick to the issue. THE DOGS!!!!! Is Oda Mari's dog a breed standard? NO!!!!! Not even close. If you feel the need to dispute that, PLEASE do so. But my user name has nothing to do with that. Obviously. Tucker454 ( talk) 11:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't think a "dispute resolution" is necessary. Just look at the dogs. It does not matter who uploaded them if they are better examples. Let's stick on that huh? Your fascination/focus on "who" uploaded the dogs seems rather silly to me when you don't want to discuss the dogs themselves to the slightest degree. Let use discuss the dogs. What are the "Akina" images flaws compared to the previous image flaws. Using AKC standards. By all means, let me know. Tucker454 ( talk) 12:18, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
And, I guess to get back to the point - the image I originally removed, and you (Oda Mari) repeatedly replaced - was a horrible example of a Shiba Inu. While I will fully accept and acknowledge that there is more to a dog than coloration, a dog with coloration that is clearly and plainly disallowed by any and all accepted standards is by simple definition a bad example. There is no reason whatsoever that image belongs on here. The replacement picture you posted is a poor quality image that shows none of the markings that make a black and white or tri color Shiba. It is grainy, small and does not show what it needs to. This has been agreed upon. I do not understand the absolute objection to the "Akina" image. Is it not appropriate if a person has a better free use image to use it? I would imagine 95%+ of the free use images are uploaded for use by the uploader. Who are the users uploading images "just cause?" I am curious as to your grandstanding objection to this image. Given the THREE separate times you have chosen to object to this, I am curious to your motives. If the first time and second time were not enough, what are you wanting for? And assuming this THIRD time does not "meet your fancy" do you intend to start a FOURTH Q&A? Tucker454 ( talk) 10:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
While you now admit that the second image is not appropriate, I would like to remind you that your first objection was in blatant support of this image. In fact, you replaced it several times. Until I explained each and every fault to you, one by one, you stood by that dog. When you realized you were wrong - your objective became the removal of the Akina image - as seen by your actions.
As for the COI - I had a better image and used it. That is not COI.
And if I can ask again - you have brought this up three times already, and not come to the conclusion you wanted yet. Assuming this time doesn't give you what you want - then what? I imagine a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th time unless little Oda gets her way? Tucker454 ( talk) 09:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded the Akina image because I had it at my disposal and it was and is a better example of the breed standard than the previous picture and the image that Oda has been pushing since. #9 is good as well - better overall. I don't think there need to be two pictures, but Oda has heavily pushed the substandard and poor pictures she has found. I compromised by putting a better picture of a better dog in as well, she previously had removed the image many times. Other than the two people I would say have been instigators, the consensus has been that the Akina image represents a good dog, but I wholly agree that it is a poor picture (and that has been agreed upon as well).
If the vote goes for using #9, I say go for it. But it does seem questionable to me, given the uploader's objection. All seems pretty silly to me, I have a black and tan Shiba Inu sitting next to me right now. It is a better example of the coloration than the pictures available (on par with #9) and I could just take a better picture and post it. So could anyone else for that matter. My objection has been to a poor original dog, and then a poor original image.
Whatever comes of this, I have seen only a few points of major agreement. #1, the original image (the one Oda wanted first) was bad and #2) the image on the right of the article (Oda's second choice) is a poor image. The Akina image is a good one, and back to the original point, enough people have agreed on this point to end this argument in my opinion. If there is a BETTER image than the Akina image, use it. But the Akina image does not look like a Chihuahua, she is not "unrecognizable" as a member of the breed, and the image at least shows the main coloration of the breed, even if is a bad picture. This has degraded into nonsense. Tucker454 ( talk) 09:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I think that because I uploaded this image, you feel I am using this as a show page for my image. That is not the case. It is just a better image, not the best. When a better one comes along, put it on for goodness sakes. But to the original question, the Akina image is a better image of a better dog. I realize that you are not for it, that is fine. But you can't be against image #1, #2, and #3 unless the compromise is to remove all images. So far, the Akina image is the better image. When a better image is uploaded I will support it, what I don't support is removing the Akina image out of someones spite. That is absurd. Had Oda Mari simply found a better image, and I am SURE there are some, this would never have been an issue at all. But instead she chose as a sole goal the removal of what several people feel is a better image. And among a pool of what basically everyone has said is poor images and poor dogs, the best so far. Tucker454 ( talk) 08:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I've just posted the link to this debate up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs#RFC for Shiba image. It directly relates to the dog breed task force. — anndelion ※ 14:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
To centralize what seems to be the consensus right now, I'm putting up the following proposal; feel free to modify if it I got something wrong. My comments are in brackets:
Bueno o no? :) — anndelion ❋ 07:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
A little curious that the current tricolor Shiba is a virtual clone of the Akina image. I thought that was voted out as being inappropriate. Any explanation to that fact? Tucker454 ( talk) 09:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Most insane part of this past debate? The image that is currently on the page, I do believe that it IS an image of my dog. Uploaded by someone else. LOL The worst part about Wikipedia is that you get some butthurt little wiki tyrants that cause a HUGE stir about nothing. Without involvement, the same dog ended up on the page? "Perhaps" this was a dog that looks exactly like my own, taken on a rug that looks exactly like one I own - the world is huge, so there is a possibility. Just funny to check this more than a year later and see my dog on here. LOL. Tucker454 ( talk) 11:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Just passing through and noticed this. Ummel ( talk) 16:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Is the name of this dog "shiba inu" (all lowercase), "Shiba inu" (lowercase i) or "Shiba Inu" (word caps)? George8211 conversations 19:56, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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Recognition of the 'doge' meme in the popular culture section would be helpful. 88.104.243.104 ( talk) 13:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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15:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)I recently attempted to add the nicknames Shibe and Doge to the nickname list for this breed and the change was rejected due to the nicknames not being "AKC". I contacted the AKC and they responded that they do not have or manage an official list of breed nicknames.
My Query to the AKC: Hello, the Shiba Inu breed has two nicknames which have become prevalent - 'Shibe' and 'Doge'. I attempted to edit the Wikipedia article for Shiba Inu to include these two nicknames but a moderator informed me that Shibe and Doge are not official AKC nicknames for the Shiba Inu breed and he reverted my changes. I was wondering if those two nicknames could become official nicknames for the breed Shiba Inu. They are ubiquitously used throughout the internet and on television. Currently the nickname 'Shiba' is the only official nickname, and as you can see that is not very much different from 'Shibe' which is more widely used today. Please look into this and let me know if this can be changed! Thanks so much - John
Their Response: Hello John, We don't have a list of nicknames for the breeds that we register and we wouldn't have or make an official list of nicknames. Sigga AKC Customer Service Representative http://www.akc.org/ 919-233-9767 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbzlabrat ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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What is the reason for changing "dog" to "doge"? Merriam-Webster inu says that it is a dog. George8211 conversations 08:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
So we have all of these: Category:Internet memes and this article can't contain a reference about the meme it spawned, why is that?
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I do not understand why even a little bit of trivia can be added to the Shiba Inu page. Why not have a little fun once in a little while, eh? (And yes, I do understand what Wikipedia is, so try not to use that as an excuse. What if future generations want to research internet memes? That is my question.) Hotelmason241 ( talk) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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Leaving aside the convoluted discussion above, I am establishing a new vote for/against the inclusion of the Doge meme in an "in popular culture" section. Please vote (with reasoning and signed!) below on whether or not we should include further mention of the meme. Once enough votes have been bladed to establish a consensus, the article can be amended if necessary. See my below vote for an example of how to vote. Felixphew ( talk) 00:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
This discussion will remain open, however consensus at the the time of this writing is that it should not be included. So please do not ask for it to be included! All edits to include the Doge meme should be immediately rolled back and the editor should be given a link to this discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felixphew ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 7 March 2014 (UTC)