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Total confusion. Moses of Chorene lived centuries after Josephus. The particular English edition of Josephus cited by the author of this article does refer to Moses in footnote 16 (to chapter 5 -- it just gets printed after ch. 22) but that's in a modern comment on Josephus.
Someone more facile than me with Wikipedia style please fix it.
I agree that the author of this article has confused the 1st-century Jewish historian,
Josephus, with the editor of the English translation of "The Complete Works of Josephus,"
William Whiston. Josephus does not say anything whatsoever about a town named "Seron." Rather, the name comes up in a footnote added to the "Complete Works of Josephus," and written by William Whiston. There, in Antiquities 1.3.5 (p. 29), or online
1.89, the said editor explains what is meant by the words "The Place of Descent," and where
Noah's Ark was alleged to have alighted. In his book, he first brings down the Greek name (
Greek: Αποβατήριον) = Apovatírion, saying that it means "Place of Descent," and that it [QUOTE] “is the proper rendering of the Armenian name of this very city. It is called in Ptolemy Naxuana, and by
Moses Chorenensis, the Armenian historian, Idsheuan; but at the place itself, Nachidsheuan, which signifies The first place of descent, and is a lasting monument of the preservation of Noah in the ark, upon the top of that mountain, at whose foot it was built, as the first city or town after the Flood. See Antiq. b. xx. ch. ii. sect. 3; and Moses Chorenensis, who also says elsewhere that another town was related by tradition to have been called Seron, or The Place of Dispersion, on account of the dispersion of Xisuthrus's or Noah's sons, from thence first made. Whether any remains of this ark be still preserved, as the people of the country suppose, I cannot certainly tell. Mons. Tournefort had, not very long since, a mind to see the place himself, but met with too great dangers and difficulties to venture through them.” [END QUOTE]. I will, therefore, make the necessary corrections in this article to conform with what is true and accurate.
Davidbena (
talk)
22:07, 6 June 2019 (UTC)reply
I totally agree with you,
User:Zero0000. I, personally, would never have started an article about this topic, since the site (even from an archaeological stand-point) is not notable at all! Be well.
Davidbena (
talk)
18:24, 9 June 2019 (UTC)reply
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Total confusion. Moses of Chorene lived centuries after Josephus. The particular English edition of Josephus cited by the author of this article does refer to Moses in footnote 16 (to chapter 5 -- it just gets printed after ch. 22) but that's in a modern comment on Josephus.
Someone more facile than me with Wikipedia style please fix it.
I agree that the author of this article has confused the 1st-century Jewish historian,
Josephus, with the editor of the English translation of "The Complete Works of Josephus,"
William Whiston. Josephus does not say anything whatsoever about a town named "Seron." Rather, the name comes up in a footnote added to the "Complete Works of Josephus," and written by William Whiston. There, in Antiquities 1.3.5 (p. 29), or online
1.89, the said editor explains what is meant by the words "The Place of Descent," and where
Noah's Ark was alleged to have alighted. In his book, he first brings down the Greek name (
Greek: Αποβατήριον) = Apovatírion, saying that it means "Place of Descent," and that it [QUOTE] “is the proper rendering of the Armenian name of this very city. It is called in Ptolemy Naxuana, and by
Moses Chorenensis, the Armenian historian, Idsheuan; but at the place itself, Nachidsheuan, which signifies The first place of descent, and is a lasting monument of the preservation of Noah in the ark, upon the top of that mountain, at whose foot it was built, as the first city or town after the Flood. See Antiq. b. xx. ch. ii. sect. 3; and Moses Chorenensis, who also says elsewhere that another town was related by tradition to have been called Seron, or The Place of Dispersion, on account of the dispersion of Xisuthrus's or Noah's sons, from thence first made. Whether any remains of this ark be still preserved, as the people of the country suppose, I cannot certainly tell. Mons. Tournefort had, not very long since, a mind to see the place himself, but met with too great dangers and difficulties to venture through them.” [END QUOTE]. I will, therefore, make the necessary corrections in this article to conform with what is true and accurate.
Davidbena (
talk)
22:07, 6 June 2019 (UTC)reply
I totally agree with you,
User:Zero0000. I, personally, would never have started an article about this topic, since the site (even from an archaeological stand-point) is not notable at all! Be well.
Davidbena (
talk)
18:24, 9 June 2019 (UTC)reply