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An IP user has requested the page name be changed to his ’also known as‘ moniker.
Does anybody have any opinions? He has provided extra citations, see edits 4 August 2020. I had to remove as there was about ten all at once!
AussieWikiDan (
talk)
18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Requested move 14 August 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The fact that you could cherry-pick some articles with the current name provides no evidence of which is the most common name. Please provide some proper evidence that shows your preferred name is in fact more common.
Vpab15 (
talk)
18:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Support - Like many people pointed out, Russian is a co-official and by far the most spoken language in Belarus. Let's not be more Belarusian than the Belarusians themselves.
Buxareu (
talk)
16:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose – for the same reason I oppose it in case of his wife – both names are valid transliterations of two languages and both are being used by various reliable English-language sources, so there's no real urgent need to move (as there would be if the name was simply wrong or not present in English-language media at all). Given that this name is relevant to very much ongoing events, I think it's best not to move it back and forth currently, and if anything, decide on the name after some time.
Ausir (
talk)
22:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
One name is ten times more commonly used than the other. I see no reason why we should wait before we move the article. In the unlikely event the most commonly used name changes, we change it accordingly.
Vpab15 (
talk)
18:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. First, Wikipedia should use the common name, not the "correct" name (see
WP:RECOGNIZABILITY); if the common name is obtained by transliterating via third language, so be it. For example, it's
Confucius (the Latin transliteration), not Kongzi (the "correct" Chinese transliteration). Second, Russian and Belarusian are
both equally official languages of Belarus; most Belarusian speak Russian ("about 70% of the population indicated they speak Russian at home, 23% indicated Belarusian"); Tikhanosky himself
speaks almost exclusively Russian in his blog. So if the Russian and Belarusian transliteration were equally used in English media, we could or even should use Russian one; and as the Russian transliteration is much more popular, we must use it. P. S. Unfortunately, it is a consequence of the domination of Russia, of course, but it is not for Wikipedia to change reality, we should reflect it veraciously.
Wikisaurus (
talk)
08:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Arianna the First, Tāwhiwhi, Ausir and blindlynx, but would vote "Support" if Tsikhanouski himself or his wife were to contact English Wikipedia, identify themselves as Russian-language speakers, rather than Belarusian-language speakers and specify that their preference is for their names' English-language forms to appear in transliterations from the Russian form, rather than from the Belarusian form. A similar step was recently taken by Ukrainian chess Grandmaster
Vasyl Ivanchuk who personally nominated the main title header of his English Wikipedia entry for move from its Russian form,
Vassily Ivanchuk, to its Ukrainian form,
Vasyl Ivanchuk and was successful at
Talk:Vasyl Ivanchuk#Requested move 18 April 2020. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)23:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Support As we can see from the descriptions of the two videos recently published on Sergei and Svetlana Tikhanovsky's YouTube channel ( [
1], [
2] ), Svetlana prefers her Russian transliteration name and we should respect that. I also can tell you that the majority of Belarusians refer to Svetlana and Sergei by their Russian names and that's just a fact. Once again, it's not which language is better or politics, it's all about as others have mentioned
WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and
WP:COMMONNAME.
WhiteRusian (
talk)
20:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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An IP user has requested the page name be changed to his ’also known as‘ moniker.
Does anybody have any opinions? He has provided extra citations, see edits 4 August 2020. I had to remove as there was about ten all at once!
AussieWikiDan (
talk)
18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Requested move 14 August 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The fact that you could cherry-pick some articles with the current name provides no evidence of which is the most common name. Please provide some proper evidence that shows your preferred name is in fact more common.
Vpab15 (
talk)
18:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Support - Like many people pointed out, Russian is a co-official and by far the most spoken language in Belarus. Let's not be more Belarusian than the Belarusians themselves.
Buxareu (
talk)
16:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose – for the same reason I oppose it in case of his wife – both names are valid transliterations of two languages and both are being used by various reliable English-language sources, so there's no real urgent need to move (as there would be if the name was simply wrong or not present in English-language media at all). Given that this name is relevant to very much ongoing events, I think it's best not to move it back and forth currently, and if anything, decide on the name after some time.
Ausir (
talk)
22:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
One name is ten times more commonly used than the other. I see no reason why we should wait before we move the article. In the unlikely event the most commonly used name changes, we change it accordingly.
Vpab15 (
talk)
18:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. First, Wikipedia should use the common name, not the "correct" name (see
WP:RECOGNIZABILITY); if the common name is obtained by transliterating via third language, so be it. For example, it's
Confucius (the Latin transliteration), not Kongzi (the "correct" Chinese transliteration). Second, Russian and Belarusian are
both equally official languages of Belarus; most Belarusian speak Russian ("about 70% of the population indicated they speak Russian at home, 23% indicated Belarusian"); Tikhanosky himself
speaks almost exclusively Russian in his blog. So if the Russian and Belarusian transliteration were equally used in English media, we could or even should use Russian one; and as the Russian transliteration is much more popular, we must use it. P. S. Unfortunately, it is a consequence of the domination of Russia, of course, but it is not for Wikipedia to change reality, we should reflect it veraciously.
Wikisaurus (
talk)
08:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Arianna the First, Tāwhiwhi, Ausir and blindlynx, but would vote "Support" if Tsikhanouski himself or his wife were to contact English Wikipedia, identify themselves as Russian-language speakers, rather than Belarusian-language speakers and specify that their preference is for their names' English-language forms to appear in transliterations from the Russian form, rather than from the Belarusian form. A similar step was recently taken by Ukrainian chess Grandmaster
Vasyl Ivanchuk who personally nominated the main title header of his English Wikipedia entry for move from its Russian form,
Vassily Ivanchuk, to its Ukrainian form,
Vasyl Ivanchuk and was successful at
Talk:Vasyl Ivanchuk#Requested move 18 April 2020. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)23:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Support As we can see from the descriptions of the two videos recently published on Sergei and Svetlana Tikhanovsky's YouTube channel ( [
1], [
2] ), Svetlana prefers her Russian transliteration name and we should respect that. I also can tell you that the majority of Belarusians refer to Svetlana and Sergei by their Russian names and that's just a fact. Once again, it's not which language is better or politics, it's all about as others have mentioned
WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and
WP:COMMONNAME.
WhiteRusian (
talk)
20:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.