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User:JohnGotten, Wkipedia is usually based on reliable secondary sources, not on primary and especially not on their interpretation by random editors. You are definitely confusing the settlement of the White Serbs on the Balkans with the creation of the Serbian principality. For resolving the issue when exactly Serbia was established during the middle ages we can use for example the prominent academic book: " The Early Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century" with author John Van Antwerp Fine Jr., a professor of Balkan and Byzantine history at the University of Michigan. This book was published by the University of Michigan Press in 1991. As prof. Fine has stated there: Thought the Byzantines had lost control of most of the Balkans in the seventh century, the Slavs had formed no states as yet. They continued to live in small tribal units, independent of one another, etc. see: p. 65. And he has claimed also that: In the middle of the 8th century Serbia has achieved some sort of statehood, as various Serbian tribes, faced with the Bulgarian threat, united under a prince named Vlastimir, etc. see: p. 141. The conclusion is clear: during the 7th century there were no Slavic state formations on the Balkans. Serbia emerged as a separate entity in the 8th century. Also check please: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history).Regards. Jingiby ( talk) 05:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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to me this sounds very revisionist, trying to reduce Serbia in a recent state. JohnGotten ( talk) 17:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
It was said in 822 that the Serbs inhabited the more significant part of Roman Dalmatia,
On its arrival Ljudovit withdrew from the city of Sisak and fled to the Serbs,a people that is said to hold a large part of DalmatiaIt's WP:PRIMARY and it doesn't even put forward that exact sentence.-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 00:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
and in the 6th and early 7th century, established the Serbian Principality by the 8th century.
I have removed the extensive discussion of the flaws regarding DAI from this article, because this level of detail is far too much for this article. While I have no issue with the material itself, there is a dedicated article for De Administrando Imperio, and I would not object to the material being added there. However, this being a country article, the history section is only meant to provide a very brief overview per WP:SS. The material about DAI is simply not appropriate for an article such as this. Khirurg ( talk) 04:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Griboski: This connection is not contested, second source brings sources which speak about that connection(ethnonyms etc). This is historical information presented in Academic source. We must respect sources and in historiography there are probably different opinions but present sources use this information as valid information. Mikola22 ( talk) 06:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Show me where I "show that DAI is riddled with factual errors"Are you kidding me? You were shown right here [4] that the part about Thessaloniki is factually incorrect. Pretending not to notice is disruption and can lead to a topic ban. Khirurg ( talk) 19:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Maleschreiber: "I added the interpretation of the DAI". You added information from Curta source about name and disputes of Constantine VII claims about name(slave issue). This does not concern the Slavs and the Serbs around Thessaloniki. The third source brings information's and historians who talk about connection of Serbs with area of Thessaloniki. In addition, the first and second source use DAI information as relevant. First source is book of academician and second source is "awarded with the Wayne S. Vucinich Prize for the best North American book in the field of Russian and Eastern European studies. Mikola22 ( talk) 17:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
With the help of late Early Byzantine fibulae we can determine the provinces that lasted until the beginning of Emperor Heraclius’s reign (610-641) in which, or along whose borders, also lived Slavs, i.e. Serbs. On the basis of written, archaeological, and topographic data, perhaps from as early as the mid 6th century, the Serbs, and possibly the Antes, i.e. Russians, lived in the upper Southern Morava – Pčinja – Bregalnica – Lepenac area.Now, the publication is not WP:RS and it's WP:FRINGE. There are other places where the idea that White Serbs and Russians "possibly" lived in Northern Macedonia in 550 CE is considered a legitimate discussion. What some editors want to discuss on wikipedia stands far removed from what is being discussed in reliable academic journals. -- Maleschreiber ( talk) 20:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
and possibly the Antes, i.e. Russians- and I think this is complete FRINGE. -- Nicoljaus ( talk) 00:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Према Константину Порфирогениту Срби су се на Балканско полуострво населили, у доба Ираклија (610-641) уз василевсово одобрење, на подручју града Сервије.29^ Уколико je овај податак и веродостојан, опет je тешко рећи у којој године дуге Ираклијеве владавине се овај догађај збио. Можда je могуће поћи од претпоставке да се насељавање одиграло после 626. године.. Занимљиво je поменути да недалеко од данашње Сервије постоје два насеља чија имена се могу довести у везу са Србима..Насељавање Срба југозападно од Солуна, у област Сервије, било би тако последица недавне словенске опсаде Солуна из 614-616. године и намера Ираклија да Словене у залеђу града св. Димитрија држи у миру помоћу Срба
White Serbs, an early Slavic tribe from White Serbia eventually settled in an area between the Sava river and the Dinaric Alps
Sources information: "According to the work De Administrando Imperio written by the 10th-century Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII, in the first half of the 7th century the Serbs from White Serbia had arrived in an area near Thessaloniki, but shortly afterwards they left that area and settled lands between the Sava and the Dinaric Alps"
put this photo Paja JovanoviKrunisanje Cara Dusana 2.jpg
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cheers ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.59.110.179 ( talk) 05:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Setreix: You can discuss your changes to the lead here and provide your sources. You have to follow WP:BRD rules in these cases, especially when changing the lead section.-- Vacant0 ( talk) 19:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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“disputed territory of Kosovo”
There is nothing disputed about the territory of the Republic of Kosovo, 🇽🇰 declared independence in 2008, now more than 13 years, and in 2010 this declaration was legitimized by the International Court of Justice, and this independence came as a result of genocide committed by the military-police forces by the Serbian state apparatus headed by Slobodan Milosevic. Therefore, a State recognized by the vast majority of democracies, and members of many international organizations, to consider it a "disputed territory" in addition to being untrue is also propaganda promoted by Serbia, and it is neither professional nor moral that these fake nationalisms to be supported and pushed forward by Wikipedia.
“(excluding Kosovo)”
Including Kosovo, excluding Kosovo, what are these, what kind of misinformation is this, WHERE are you including Kosovo, the Republic of Kosovo is a sovereign STATE, then I am taking an example from sports, 🇽🇰 is accepted in UEFA and FIFA, when Serbia plays football, do you write there "including Kosovo", or not, because Kosovo here has its National Team, can a “Province" play in FIFA? I would ask you to correct these stupid mistakes and not to incite Serbian nationalist propaganda, here it seems as if it was written by some Serbian extremist, and not a famous official website like Wikipedia.
“province of Kosovo”
"Province of Kosovo" Another scandalous "information", ask the United States of America, ask the United Kingdom, ask the 22 of 27 member states of the European Union, ask more than 120 Countries that have recognized 🇽🇰 as an independent and sovereign state, whether the Republic of Kosovo is a "province" or State, or ask Israel that a few months ago recognized the Republic of Kosovo.
Provide reliable sources? For all that I said, for all you have resources everywhere you look, except in Serbian sources there you find dreams of Serbian extremists, come to Kosovo and see if you enter a State, or a Serbian province.
Look for resources on Google, write Joe Biden: Kosovo and Serbia should sign an agreement for mutual recognition, write: Presidenca e Republikës së Kosovës write: Qeveria e Republikës së Kosovës
🇽🇰🇽🇰🇽🇰 Armendmendi.me ( talk) 20:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
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Under "Sports" add more information about the men's water polo team. Change "The Serbia men's national water polo team is one of the most successful national teams, having won an Olympic gold medal in 2016, three World Championships (2005, 2009 and 2015), and seven European Championships (in 2001, 2003, 2006, 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2018).[479] VK Partizan has won a joint-record seven European champion titles." to "The Serbia men's national water polo team is one of the most successful national teams, having won two Olympic gold medals (2016 and 2021) and two bronze medals (2008 and 2012), three World Championships (2005, 2009 and 2015), and seven European Championships (in 2001, 2003, 2006, 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2018) with a total of 54 medals in 12 events.[479] VK Partizan has won a joint-record seven European champion titles.", for example. Update the number of weeks Novak Djokovic has spent as No.1, add an Olympic bronze to the list of achievements of the national women's volleyball team, and add Jovana Preković and her statistics (Olympic gold in 2021, two European golds in 2017 and 2021, one European bronze in 2016 and one world championship in 2018).
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Change [rtheast, Bulgaria to the southeast, North Macedonia to the south, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina to the west, and Montenegro to the southwest; while claiming a border with Albania through the] from the first paragraph to [. . . southwest. It also claims . . .] Nelsonbank ( talk) 14:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC) Nelsonbank ( talk) 14:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Since 1st meting was in Belgrade, i think we could have photo in that part (Socialist Yugoslavia), on left side ?! -- Petar Milošević ( talk) 12:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Nominal GDP in 2022 is projected to reach $65.7 billion, which is $9,561 per capita, while GDP based on purchasing power parity (PPP) stood at $153 billion, which is $22,278 per capita.
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Insinuation that Serbia may somehow border Albania needs to be instantly removed as it is against NPOV policies. Serbia has no border with Albania due to the Republic of Kosovo. Note that I am not disputing the 'dispute', but am going along with the reliable sources which all say Kosovo is a country. --
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I have made the changes since nobody objected to the above. The article was set up for it anyhow because the Serbian population of 7 million is Serbia's border without Kosovo. --
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There is a section dediceted to the Population of Serbia but without Kosovo and Metohija. There has to be a section with the population of serbia with Kosovo and Metohija like the section with the area of the country. 46.33.202.84 ( talk) 15:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Should be "The Siege of Kraljevo" not "Siege of Kraljevo" Migy007 ( talk) 22:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't understand why the breakdown of minorities by ethnic groups is being removed. Jingiby ( talk) 04:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
In the Article it says "Serbia is an upper-middle income economy, ranked 64th in the Human Development Index domain." Serbia is actually ranked 63rd in the Human Development Index domain (New Data released on 8. September 2022) and shares its rank with Georgia and Mauritius. My proposal would be "Serbia is an upper-middle income economy, ranked 63rd in the Human Development Index domain."
Source: /info/en/?search=Human_Development_Index Swissastronaut ( talk) 11:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Can someone please fix "Kosvo" in the first paragraph? "Serbia without Kosovo has about 6.7 million inhabitants, about 8.4 million if Kosvo is included". TIA! 62.4.45.2 ( talk) 11:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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change gdp per capita from $24,804 (PPP, 2022, excluding Kosovo), $9,164 (nominal, 2022, excluding Kosovo) to $11,015 (nominal, 2023 est.), $27,100 (PPP, 2023 est.) Djordle ( talk) 22:31, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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It shares land borders with Hungary to the north, Romania to the northeast, Bulgaria to the southeast, North Macedonia to the south, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina to the west, and Montenegro to the southwest, and claims a border with Albania through the disputed territory of southern serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija (full name) . [a] Davor Slo Zg Lika ( talk) 14:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Accurately described factual state of borders and other facts according to international laws and charters, UN 1244. Davor Slo Zg Lika ( talk) 14:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Add a wiki link to United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/1 in the last paragraph of "Foreign relations". 93.72.49.123 ( talk) 14:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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Why is the map so blurry? 165.234.101.99 ( talk) 14:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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In one of the paragraphs it says that serbia was given independence on 5 June 2006 when infact they were given independence on 4 June 2006 BosnianHelper ( talk) 23:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Theonewithreason I don't see how adding a link to Crime in Serbia is an "assertion", that Serbia has crime is a fact, as you likely know the country recently had two mass shootings within days of each other. As for your examples, Crime in the United States is linked on United States, in fact it has its own section on the article. On the United Kingdom article crime is also mentioned and a statistical article on it is linked. Germany as well covers crime. Serbia and Russia despite having notable instances of crime for whatever reason has almost no information on it. I added it as a link because it might actually be WP:UNDUE to create a crime section, but I don't think a link in the "see also" section is remotely undue. TylerBurden ( talk) 12:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
By the way to end this conversation, I just checked the link Outline of Serbia and over there there is also a crime in Serbia, with all other links connected to Serbia. So here you go it is covered. Theonewithreason ( talk) 17:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change all references to “altitude” to “elevation”. As an earth scientist, I noticed this right away. However, I’d love to visit this country. Thank you. 74.93.90.165 ( talk) 19:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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@ Soundwaweserb Please explain the removal of the image of Slobodan Milošević in the "Breakup of Yugoslavia and political transition" section. He is clearly a focal point of the section, so an image seems appropriate. TylerBurden ( talk) 12:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
His leadership became associated with numerous human tragedies and acts of violence during the breakup of Yugoslavia.Nowhere in the section are "human tragedies and acts of violence" discussed and you are clearly pushing a POV narrative by providing no solid justification for putting it in. Your addition has not helped the article and your further edit ramming is disruptive as you are not engaging with other editors or taking on suggested changes in prior edits by TylerBurden WP:DE. ElderZamzam ( talk) 13:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a missing denonym in the Denonyms row. The denonym shown is Serbian, when in fact there are two denonyms, Serbian and Serb. Will someone please add the missing denonym? LavishRuler16 ( talk) 21:23, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Kosovo is not an internationally ‘disputed’ territory. It’s an independent country. Only Serbia thinks it is part of them - which is incorrect and harmful. From a factual standpoint - all references to Kosovo as part of Serbia (including population) should be removed as it’s a falsehood. 142.112.165.109 ( talk) 18:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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01:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)@ Wczeran You are falsely claiming no references mention Serbia as being in Central Europe, the Worldbank one (which you just removed) says "One particular emphasis has been helping Serbia take advantage of its strategic location in central Europe through investments in transport infrastructure." That clearly mentions Serbia in Central Europe, in addition to the one including crossroads. You need to gain consensus for removal rather than continuing to remove it when opposed. TylerBurden ( talk) 18:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Iaof2017: I fail to see how this organization's opinion is due in a general section about the country's politics. Serbia certainly has some issues but I don't see what they find "alarming" in their "stages of concern" is particularly vital to this article. Per WP:ONUS, please gain consensus for this inclusion. -- Griboski ( talk) 00:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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GDP is incorrect. Its less than 100 billion Historynerd1993 ( talk) 12:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I want to emphasize and underline that the current photo related to the recent period of Serbian history is the right choice. The previous photo of Milošević was added through a war of changes and POV pushhing, only a month or two ago, during holiday season, when most editorrs, myself included are not as active. Btw. the photo of the same politician is already on a separate page about the history of Serbia. The mentioned political personality is certainly not more important than King Aleksandar Karađorđević, Josip Broz Tito, Koča Popović and several other personalitie. With the new-current photo, we refer to his reign as well as a key (underline, key) moment in the modern history of the country whose history we are writing about. So, the photo has more good aspects, compared to the artistic photo of the then influential politician. I will ask you not to chang it, unless you have a wide consensus, which seems not to be the case. Thank you. Soundwaweserb ( talk) 05:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
The image is good enough!is that supposed to be some kind of argument? If a consensus forms on removing the image, it will be removed. So far it seems such a consensus is starting to emerge. Khirurg ( talk) 16:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
you should provide policy based reasons to do so) and status quo stonewalling (
It has been stable on the article). Now, why don't you tell us the real reason you are so absoultely insistent that this image be included over scores of other possibilities? Khirurg ( talk) 16:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
"A portrait of Milošević here brings nothing [...] giving him too much importance": of course it does, he was central to Serbia during that period and had a profound impact on other ex-Yugoslavian countries while also contributing to major conflicts in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo. So your statement is not convincing at all at this point. Again, retaining the image of Milosevic aligns with Wikipedia's guidlines such as relevance, neutrality, consensus and particularly WP:NOTCENSORED which clearly emphasises that controversial figures should not be excluded solely on the basis of controversy. However, the proposal of TylerBurden and OyMosby to include both images is a good solution to be considered. Iaof2017 ( talk) 15:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached. Per Wikipedia consensus policy, “consensus on Wikipedia does not require unanimity (which is ideal but rarely achievable), nor is it the result of a vote”. There is only one editor who is pushing this, tailwinded by TylerBurden (not counting neither fish nor fowl proposition by another editor). If the problem was some fringe or outrageous claim, fine, but all this bullying of editors by wasting their Wikipedia time because of a picture… PajaBG ( talk) 22:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I see not reason for Milosevic's photo. He is not more notable than Tito or king Alexander I or some other figures. Look, we have 1 photo for WWI and 1 photo for WWII but we have 3 images for period of 10 years, all because someone's obsession and bully-like ignoring of other editors while all moderators are asleep. 24.135.116.35 ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
the first form of serbian statehood was established much earlier around 630.
here is the serbian wiki, which also has sources down below in literature both foreign and serbian that confirm it.
https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0_%D1%83_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%9A%D0%B5%D0%BC_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%83 95.33.108.192 ( talk) 00:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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its differents at the home page around 84 %, compared to the demographics page 81% serbs, which would also put the number of ethnic serbs higher than 5.3 mil within serbia if its 84% or lower if its 81% 2A01:C23:C495:F900:8027:50F8:D943:320F ( talk) 09:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Griboski, you removed this article with the explanation that it is "undue". Politico is an established WP:RS, and Anna Baerbock is Germany's minister for foreign affairs, a top level politician, so I don't think that is undue. TylerBurden ( talk) 21:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Please remove Milosevic's picture. He is not as important as Tito or king Aleksandar I or king Milan. Who agreed to have him in the article in the first place? 93.86.237.31 ( talk) 16:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Someone keeps changing total area of Serbian back to 88.361 km2 claiming that it "could possibly be because of border disputes with Croatia" which can not be the case since Serbia always recognized Danube river as the border with Croatia. If someone took time to look at the source for, they would see an explanation for the different number.
The land area (88 499 km2) data relates to the total territory of the Republic of Serbia and should be considered as provisional. As the State border has not been contractually established for its full length and correction of the quality of the digital cadastres plans is under
way, it is still not possible to take over final data on certain land area of municipalities/town municipalities. The border length data should be used provisionally because the borders towards the republics of the former SFRY were only administrative, i.e. not marked or mathematically defined.
Source: Kovačević, Miladin (2023).
"Статистички годишњак Републике Србије 2023" [Statistical Yearbook of the Republic of Serbia 2023] (PDF). Statistical Yearbook of Serbia (in Serbian and English) (32).
Belgrade:
Statistical Office of the Republic of Serbia: 11.
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User:JohnGotten, Wkipedia is usually based on reliable secondary sources, not on primary and especially not on their interpretation by random editors. You are definitely confusing the settlement of the White Serbs on the Balkans with the creation of the Serbian principality. For resolving the issue when exactly Serbia was established during the middle ages we can use for example the prominent academic book: " The Early Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century" with author John Van Antwerp Fine Jr., a professor of Balkan and Byzantine history at the University of Michigan. This book was published by the University of Michigan Press in 1991. As prof. Fine has stated there: Thought the Byzantines had lost control of most of the Balkans in the seventh century, the Slavs had formed no states as yet. They continued to live in small tribal units, independent of one another, etc. see: p. 65. And he has claimed also that: In the middle of the 8th century Serbia has achieved some sort of statehood, as various Serbian tribes, faced with the Bulgarian threat, united under a prince named Vlastimir, etc. see: p. 141. The conclusion is clear: during the 7th century there were no Slavic state formations on the Balkans. Serbia emerged as a separate entity in the 8th century. Also check please: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history).Regards. Jingiby ( talk) 05:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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to me this sounds very revisionist, trying to reduce Serbia in a recent state. JohnGotten ( talk) 17:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
It was said in 822 that the Serbs inhabited the more significant part of Roman Dalmatia,
On its arrival Ljudovit withdrew from the city of Sisak and fled to the Serbs,a people that is said to hold a large part of DalmatiaIt's WP:PRIMARY and it doesn't even put forward that exact sentence.-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 00:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
and in the 6th and early 7th century, established the Serbian Principality by the 8th century.
I have removed the extensive discussion of the flaws regarding DAI from this article, because this level of detail is far too much for this article. While I have no issue with the material itself, there is a dedicated article for De Administrando Imperio, and I would not object to the material being added there. However, this being a country article, the history section is only meant to provide a very brief overview per WP:SS. The material about DAI is simply not appropriate for an article such as this. Khirurg ( talk) 04:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Griboski: This connection is not contested, second source brings sources which speak about that connection(ethnonyms etc). This is historical information presented in Academic source. We must respect sources and in historiography there are probably different opinions but present sources use this information as valid information. Mikola22 ( talk) 06:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Show me where I "show that DAI is riddled with factual errors"Are you kidding me? You were shown right here [4] that the part about Thessaloniki is factually incorrect. Pretending not to notice is disruption and can lead to a topic ban. Khirurg ( talk) 19:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Maleschreiber: "I added the interpretation of the DAI". You added information from Curta source about name and disputes of Constantine VII claims about name(slave issue). This does not concern the Slavs and the Serbs around Thessaloniki. The third source brings information's and historians who talk about connection of Serbs with area of Thessaloniki. In addition, the first and second source use DAI information as relevant. First source is book of academician and second source is "awarded with the Wayne S. Vucinich Prize for the best North American book in the field of Russian and Eastern European studies. Mikola22 ( talk) 17:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
With the help of late Early Byzantine fibulae we can determine the provinces that lasted until the beginning of Emperor Heraclius’s reign (610-641) in which, or along whose borders, also lived Slavs, i.e. Serbs. On the basis of written, archaeological, and topographic data, perhaps from as early as the mid 6th century, the Serbs, and possibly the Antes, i.e. Russians, lived in the upper Southern Morava – Pčinja – Bregalnica – Lepenac area.Now, the publication is not WP:RS and it's WP:FRINGE. There are other places where the idea that White Serbs and Russians "possibly" lived in Northern Macedonia in 550 CE is considered a legitimate discussion. What some editors want to discuss on wikipedia stands far removed from what is being discussed in reliable academic journals. -- Maleschreiber ( talk) 20:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
and possibly the Antes, i.e. Russians- and I think this is complete FRINGE. -- Nicoljaus ( talk) 00:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Према Константину Порфирогениту Срби су се на Балканско полуострво населили, у доба Ираклија (610-641) уз василевсово одобрење, на подручју града Сервије.29^ Уколико je овај податак и веродостојан, опет je тешко рећи у којој године дуге Ираклијеве владавине се овај догађај збио. Можда je могуће поћи од претпоставке да се насељавање одиграло после 626. године.. Занимљиво je поменути да недалеко од данашње Сервије постоје два насеља чија имена се могу довести у везу са Србима..Насељавање Срба југозападно од Солуна, у област Сервије, било би тако последица недавне словенске опсаде Солуна из 614-616. године и намера Ираклија да Словене у залеђу града св. Димитрија држи у миру помоћу Срба
White Serbs, an early Slavic tribe from White Serbia eventually settled in an area between the Sava river and the Dinaric Alps
Sources information: "According to the work De Administrando Imperio written by the 10th-century Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII, in the first half of the 7th century the Serbs from White Serbia had arrived in an area near Thessaloniki, but shortly afterwards they left that area and settled lands between the Sava and the Dinaric Alps"
put this photo Paja JovanoviKrunisanje Cara Dusana 2.jpg
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cheers ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.59.110.179 ( talk) 05:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Setreix: You can discuss your changes to the lead here and provide your sources. You have to follow WP:BRD rules in these cases, especially when changing the lead section.-- Vacant0 ( talk) 19:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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“disputed territory of Kosovo”
There is nothing disputed about the territory of the Republic of Kosovo, 🇽🇰 declared independence in 2008, now more than 13 years, and in 2010 this declaration was legitimized by the International Court of Justice, and this independence came as a result of genocide committed by the military-police forces by the Serbian state apparatus headed by Slobodan Milosevic. Therefore, a State recognized by the vast majority of democracies, and members of many international organizations, to consider it a "disputed territory" in addition to being untrue is also propaganda promoted by Serbia, and it is neither professional nor moral that these fake nationalisms to be supported and pushed forward by Wikipedia.
“(excluding Kosovo)”
Including Kosovo, excluding Kosovo, what are these, what kind of misinformation is this, WHERE are you including Kosovo, the Republic of Kosovo is a sovereign STATE, then I am taking an example from sports, 🇽🇰 is accepted in UEFA and FIFA, when Serbia plays football, do you write there "including Kosovo", or not, because Kosovo here has its National Team, can a “Province" play in FIFA? I would ask you to correct these stupid mistakes and not to incite Serbian nationalist propaganda, here it seems as if it was written by some Serbian extremist, and not a famous official website like Wikipedia.
“province of Kosovo”
"Province of Kosovo" Another scandalous "information", ask the United States of America, ask the United Kingdom, ask the 22 of 27 member states of the European Union, ask more than 120 Countries that have recognized 🇽🇰 as an independent and sovereign state, whether the Republic of Kosovo is a "province" or State, or ask Israel that a few months ago recognized the Republic of Kosovo.
Provide reliable sources? For all that I said, for all you have resources everywhere you look, except in Serbian sources there you find dreams of Serbian extremists, come to Kosovo and see if you enter a State, or a Serbian province.
Look for resources on Google, write Joe Biden: Kosovo and Serbia should sign an agreement for mutual recognition, write: Presidenca e Republikës së Kosovës write: Qeveria e Republikës së Kosovës
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Under "Sports" add more information about the men's water polo team. Change "The Serbia men's national water polo team is one of the most successful national teams, having won an Olympic gold medal in 2016, three World Championships (2005, 2009 and 2015), and seven European Championships (in 2001, 2003, 2006, 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2018).[479] VK Partizan has won a joint-record seven European champion titles." to "The Serbia men's national water polo team is one of the most successful national teams, having won two Olympic gold medals (2016 and 2021) and two bronze medals (2008 and 2012), three World Championships (2005, 2009 and 2015), and seven European Championships (in 2001, 2003, 2006, 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2018) with a total of 54 medals in 12 events.[479] VK Partizan has won a joint-record seven European champion titles.", for example. Update the number of weeks Novak Djokovic has spent as No.1, add an Olympic bronze to the list of achievements of the national women's volleyball team, and add Jovana Preković and her statistics (Olympic gold in 2021, two European golds in 2017 and 2021, one European bronze in 2016 and one world championship in 2018).
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Change [rtheast, Bulgaria to the southeast, North Macedonia to the south, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina to the west, and Montenegro to the southwest; while claiming a border with Albania through the] from the first paragraph to [. . . southwest. It also claims . . .] Nelsonbank ( talk) 14:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC) Nelsonbank ( talk) 14:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Since 1st meting was in Belgrade, i think we could have photo in that part (Socialist Yugoslavia), on left side ?! -- Petar Milošević ( talk) 12:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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Nominal GDP in 2022 is projected to reach $65.7 billion, which is $9,561 per capita, while GDP based on purchasing power parity (PPP) stood at $153 billion, which is $22,278 per capita.
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Insinuation that Serbia may somehow border Albania needs to be instantly removed as it is against NPOV policies. Serbia has no border with Albania due to the Republic of Kosovo. Note that I am not disputing the 'dispute', but am going along with the reliable sources which all say Kosovo is a country. --
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I have made the changes since nobody objected to the above. The article was set up for it anyhow because the Serbian population of 7 million is Serbia's border without Kosovo. --
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There is a section dediceted to the Population of Serbia but without Kosovo and Metohija. There has to be a section with the population of serbia with Kosovo and Metohija like the section with the area of the country. 46.33.202.84 ( talk) 15:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Should be "The Siege of Kraljevo" not "Siege of Kraljevo" Migy007 ( talk) 22:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't understand why the breakdown of minorities by ethnic groups is being removed. Jingiby ( talk) 04:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
In the Article it says "Serbia is an upper-middle income economy, ranked 64th in the Human Development Index domain." Serbia is actually ranked 63rd in the Human Development Index domain (New Data released on 8. September 2022) and shares its rank with Georgia and Mauritius. My proposal would be "Serbia is an upper-middle income economy, ranked 63rd in the Human Development Index domain."
Source: /info/en/?search=Human_Development_Index Swissastronaut ( talk) 11:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Can someone please fix "Kosvo" in the first paragraph? "Serbia without Kosovo has about 6.7 million inhabitants, about 8.4 million if Kosvo is included". TIA! 62.4.45.2 ( talk) 11:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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change gdp per capita from $24,804 (PPP, 2022, excluding Kosovo), $9,164 (nominal, 2022, excluding Kosovo) to $11,015 (nominal, 2023 est.), $27,100 (PPP, 2023 est.) Djordle ( talk) 22:31, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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It shares land borders with Hungary to the north, Romania to the northeast, Bulgaria to the southeast, North Macedonia to the south, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina to the west, and Montenegro to the southwest, and claims a border with Albania through the disputed territory of southern serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija (full name) . [a] Davor Slo Zg Lika ( talk) 14:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Accurately described factual state of borders and other facts according to international laws and charters, UN 1244. Davor Slo Zg Lika ( talk) 14:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Add a wiki link to United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/1 in the last paragraph of "Foreign relations". 93.72.49.123 ( talk) 14:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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Why is the map so blurry? 165.234.101.99 ( talk) 14:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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In one of the paragraphs it says that serbia was given independence on 5 June 2006 when infact they were given independence on 4 June 2006 BosnianHelper ( talk) 23:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Theonewithreason I don't see how adding a link to Crime in Serbia is an "assertion", that Serbia has crime is a fact, as you likely know the country recently had two mass shootings within days of each other. As for your examples, Crime in the United States is linked on United States, in fact it has its own section on the article. On the United Kingdom article crime is also mentioned and a statistical article on it is linked. Germany as well covers crime. Serbia and Russia despite having notable instances of crime for whatever reason has almost no information on it. I added it as a link because it might actually be WP:UNDUE to create a crime section, but I don't think a link in the "see also" section is remotely undue. TylerBurden ( talk) 12:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
By the way to end this conversation, I just checked the link Outline of Serbia and over there there is also a crime in Serbia, with all other links connected to Serbia. So here you go it is covered. Theonewithreason ( talk) 17:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change all references to “altitude” to “elevation”. As an earth scientist, I noticed this right away. However, I’d love to visit this country. Thank you. 74.93.90.165 ( talk) 19:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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@ Soundwaweserb Please explain the removal of the image of Slobodan Milošević in the "Breakup of Yugoslavia and political transition" section. He is clearly a focal point of the section, so an image seems appropriate. TylerBurden ( talk) 12:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
His leadership became associated with numerous human tragedies and acts of violence during the breakup of Yugoslavia.Nowhere in the section are "human tragedies and acts of violence" discussed and you are clearly pushing a POV narrative by providing no solid justification for putting it in. Your addition has not helped the article and your further edit ramming is disruptive as you are not engaging with other editors or taking on suggested changes in prior edits by TylerBurden WP:DE. ElderZamzam ( talk) 13:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a missing denonym in the Denonyms row. The denonym shown is Serbian, when in fact there are two denonyms, Serbian and Serb. Will someone please add the missing denonym? LavishRuler16 ( talk) 21:23, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Kosovo is not an internationally ‘disputed’ territory. It’s an independent country. Only Serbia thinks it is part of them - which is incorrect and harmful. From a factual standpoint - all references to Kosovo as part of Serbia (including population) should be removed as it’s a falsehood. 142.112.165.109 ( talk) 18:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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01:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)@ Wczeran You are falsely claiming no references mention Serbia as being in Central Europe, the Worldbank one (which you just removed) says "One particular emphasis has been helping Serbia take advantage of its strategic location in central Europe through investments in transport infrastructure." That clearly mentions Serbia in Central Europe, in addition to the one including crossroads. You need to gain consensus for removal rather than continuing to remove it when opposed. TylerBurden ( talk) 18:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Iaof2017: I fail to see how this organization's opinion is due in a general section about the country's politics. Serbia certainly has some issues but I don't see what they find "alarming" in their "stages of concern" is particularly vital to this article. Per WP:ONUS, please gain consensus for this inclusion. -- Griboski ( talk) 00:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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GDP is incorrect. Its less than 100 billion Historynerd1993 ( talk) 12:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I want to emphasize and underline that the current photo related to the recent period of Serbian history is the right choice. The previous photo of Milošević was added through a war of changes and POV pushhing, only a month or two ago, during holiday season, when most editorrs, myself included are not as active. Btw. the photo of the same politician is already on a separate page about the history of Serbia. The mentioned political personality is certainly not more important than King Aleksandar Karađorđević, Josip Broz Tito, Koča Popović and several other personalitie. With the new-current photo, we refer to his reign as well as a key (underline, key) moment in the modern history of the country whose history we are writing about. So, the photo has more good aspects, compared to the artistic photo of the then influential politician. I will ask you not to chang it, unless you have a wide consensus, which seems not to be the case. Thank you. Soundwaweserb ( talk) 05:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
The image is good enough!is that supposed to be some kind of argument? If a consensus forms on removing the image, it will be removed. So far it seems such a consensus is starting to emerge. Khirurg ( talk) 16:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
you should provide policy based reasons to do so) and status quo stonewalling (
It has been stable on the article). Now, why don't you tell us the real reason you are so absoultely insistent that this image be included over scores of other possibilities? Khirurg ( talk) 16:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
"A portrait of Milošević here brings nothing [...] giving him too much importance": of course it does, he was central to Serbia during that period and had a profound impact on other ex-Yugoslavian countries while also contributing to major conflicts in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo. So your statement is not convincing at all at this point. Again, retaining the image of Milosevic aligns with Wikipedia's guidlines such as relevance, neutrality, consensus and particularly WP:NOTCENSORED which clearly emphasises that controversial figures should not be excluded solely on the basis of controversy. However, the proposal of TylerBurden and OyMosby to include both images is a good solution to be considered. Iaof2017 ( talk) 15:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached. Per Wikipedia consensus policy, “consensus on Wikipedia does not require unanimity (which is ideal but rarely achievable), nor is it the result of a vote”. There is only one editor who is pushing this, tailwinded by TylerBurden (not counting neither fish nor fowl proposition by another editor). If the problem was some fringe or outrageous claim, fine, but all this bullying of editors by wasting their Wikipedia time because of a picture… PajaBG ( talk) 22:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I see not reason for Milosevic's photo. He is not more notable than Tito or king Alexander I or some other figures. Look, we have 1 photo for WWI and 1 photo for WWII but we have 3 images for period of 10 years, all because someone's obsession and bully-like ignoring of other editors while all moderators are asleep. 24.135.116.35 ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
the first form of serbian statehood was established much earlier around 630.
here is the serbian wiki, which also has sources down below in literature both foreign and serbian that confirm it.
https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0_%D1%83_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%9A%D0%B5%D0%BC_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%83 95.33.108.192 ( talk) 00:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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its differents at the home page around 84 %, compared to the demographics page 81% serbs, which would also put the number of ethnic serbs higher than 5.3 mil within serbia if its 84% or lower if its 81% 2A01:C23:C495:F900:8027:50F8:D943:320F ( talk) 09:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Griboski, you removed this article with the explanation that it is "undue". Politico is an established WP:RS, and Anna Baerbock is Germany's minister for foreign affairs, a top level politician, so I don't think that is undue. TylerBurden ( talk) 21:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Please remove Milosevic's picture. He is not as important as Tito or king Aleksandar I or king Milan. Who agreed to have him in the article in the first place? 93.86.237.31 ( talk) 16:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Someone keeps changing total area of Serbian back to 88.361 km2 claiming that it "could possibly be because of border disputes with Croatia" which can not be the case since Serbia always recognized Danube river as the border with Croatia. If someone took time to look at the source for, they would see an explanation for the different number.
The land area (88 499 km2) data relates to the total territory of the Republic of Serbia and should be considered as provisional. As the State border has not been contractually established for its full length and correction of the quality of the digital cadastres plans is under
way, it is still not possible to take over final data on certain land area of municipalities/town municipalities. The border length data should be used provisionally because the borders towards the republics of the former SFRY were only administrative, i.e. not marked or mathematically defined.
Source: Kovačević, Miladin (2023).
"Статистички годишњак Републике Србије 2023" [Statistical Yearbook of the Republic of Serbia 2023] (PDF). Statistical Yearbook of Serbia (in Serbian and English) (32).
Belgrade:
Statistical Office of the Republic of Serbia: 11.
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