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Specific in-text problems include use of the word "exploits" and "political crises". Scientifically speaking, this is a worthless definition as it includes too many loaded phrases to be considered impartial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.181.171 ( talk) 03:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/Class%209%20-%20The%20World%20System%20Perspective.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.weingart ( talk • contribs) 18:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
http://www.irows.ucr.edu/cd/theory/b5ch5.htm
http://www.people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/coreperiphery.html (includes map)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country#List_of_emerging_and_developing_economies (also see references used in this article)
http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=/RIS/RIS34_S1/S026021050800781Xa.pdf&code=6e242422ede58df23d961c531b3262e2 (article discussing Globo corporation in context of periphery and semi-periphery)
http://www.springerlink.com/content/2118h2x63n84u170/fulltext.pdf (THE SEMIPERIPHERY IN AFRICA AND LATIN AMERICA: SUBIMPERIALISM AND SEMIINDUSTRIALISM)
Generally, these articles are about the economic and political characteristics of semi-periphery countries. A couple articles provide specific examples while others are more theoretical. For the group, I would definitely read the Wallerstein paper that Dan posted a link to, as he seems to be the lead theorist on our topic. In the meantime, continue to look for articles that relate not only to your specific topic but the article as whole. Jcl41 ( talk) 03:08, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Jon Luchansky
A group of 5 students from the University of Pittsburgh, enrolled in Global Society, will be editing this article.
see this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/User:Piotrus/Fall_2009
d.j.weingart (talk · contribs) (dan weingart), PatrickJatkins (talk · contribs) (pat atkins), Chazz Aden (talk · contribs) (chazz aden), Eric wisniewski (talk · contribs) (Eric wisniewski), jcl41 (talk · contribs) (jon luchansky)
Each member of the Group will write one section of the Wikipedia Article. They will correspond as follows:
Eric: Definition of the Semi-periphery
Pat: Semi-periphery countries in the 13th century
Dan: Semi-periphery countries from the 13th to today
John: Semi-periphery countries Today
Chazz: Transitional Effects on Exising Systems
The group has deliberated that meetings will occur within the group on a weekly basis to monitor the progress of the article. The function of these meeting will be to organize sources and references for the article, as well as refine its fluidity.
--
D.j.weingart (
talk)
02:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
so I put some rough information on the effects of the systems...I'll add more details later, this is just for now...let me know if there is anything in particular you want...
Chazz Aden ( talk) 20:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
hey guys, I'm really sorry I missed the meeting today...I thought someone else had taken today and we were on Wednesday. My bad. What should I be working on in addition to the usual stuff?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 22:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I've updated my section on semi-periphery countries today. I still have additional content I want to include but I have a solid foundation. Just a reminder to make sure you are citing more frequently. I did my best to combine references if we used them more than once, so feel free to take a look at the cheat sheet to see how to do that. I was going to try to make the list of countries into a table but I'm not sure how to do that so I'll ask Piotr. Chazz, not a big deal about today. We're set for today's deadline. Just continue to update your sections and communicate within this talk page. Everybody's sections look good so far. Jon Luchansky
Jcl41 (
talk)
01:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Here are some notes for further improvement of your draft:
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
if every one could add a relevant pic to their section, that would be cool
130.49.10.159 ( talk) 00:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
who wants to edit/revise the lead ?
D.j.weingart ( talk) 00:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Im going to try to revise the lead, sorry i have not posted this weekend, i took a trip home.Eric wisniewski —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The ip adress of 24.3.18.33 are my edits, thanks Eric wisniewski 01:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs)
Did it againEric wisniewski 01:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs)
any suggestions for the lead or item you would like incorporated?Eric wisniewski 02:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs)
did anyone send in the nomination?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 17:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: @ harej 01:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
@ harej 02:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I've now copyedited much of the article. Here are my remaining concerns.
The following sentences need to be clarified:
History:
Otherwise, the article is considerably closer to Good Article status. @ harej 04:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Due to copyright issues, as pointed out on the talk page, this article has failed. Please re-nominate the article when the issues have been cleared up. @ harej 03:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
It would be great if you can find a more modern list of examples (Wallenstein's is certainly classic and should be kept, but being a 1976 list makes it in need of an update - if one exists, of course (but I am pretty sure it should)). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I can (and have already in a few spots) help with the general fixing of the article, though I haven't been able to find terribly much else to say about the effects...was anyone else able to find anything about them?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 04:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello all, impeccable work on the article so far, Kudos all round.
I would however give a few pointers on how to correctly CITE and how to use <ref name= > and the use of citation templates.
The most common ref you are going to use for this article is {{ cite book}} reading through the template pages should give you a very good idea of how to use them. You don't have to fill out all the information on every cite. however the more information the merrier. title= is the only field that is compulsory for {{ cite book}}.
So using Globalization in World History as an example you would fill it out like this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins |last2= |first2= |editor1-first= |editor1-last= |editor1-link= |others= |title=Globilization in World History|trans_title= |url= |format= |accessdate= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2003|month= |origyear= |publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]] |language= |isbn=0393979423|oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>
As you can see this has left rather a large amount of fields unfilled, that's okay, in fact we can get rid of them, leaving us with this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}</ref>
Now, obviously, you are using the book multiple times through the article so rather than cutting an pasting each and every time I'm going to show you how to use <ref name= > so what we are going to do is give the reference a name, we'll call it "hopkins", but you can all it anything "Globalization", "global" or even "asghd" or "iu43gh", ANYTHING, but to make it easy to remember we'll just stick with "hopkins" (it is cAsE SenSItiVE) so make sure you stick with either upper- or lower-case. So you simply put in <ref name= > the first time that you use the ref instead of <ref> and then every time you want to use that ref you simply put in <ref name=hopkins/> So now every time that you want to reference Globalization in World History all you need to do is put in <ref name=hopkins/>.
Now you want to quote an individual page, but you don't want to have to cut and paste and modify the cite each time you ref a page, so (as odd as this may sound) ignore what I just told you. Well, not entirely. we'll still use <ref name= > so when we want to quote page three multiple times we'll call our new ref "hop3" and when we quote page 21 we'll call that "hop21", but again it can be anything so now we'll fill the article full of this; <ref name=hop3>Hopkins 2003, page 3</ref> [1] and this; <ref name=hop21>Hopkins 2003, page 21</ref> [2], then whenever you want to ref page three you simply put in <ref name=hop3/> [1] and to ref page 21 use <ref name=hop21/> [2]
Then we need to split the references section at the bottom in two: ==Notes== and ==References== in ==Notes== we'll stick the {{ reflist}} template, and since it is a particularly large amount of references will split it into 4 columns by writing it like this: {{reflist|4}} this will automatically list all the <ref>'s throughout the article and sort them into 4 even columns for us.
Under the ==References== We'll list each of the books like this: {{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}. That way when people see "Hopkins 2003, Page 3" listed under ==Notes== they'll know to look for it under ==References== for Hopkins name.
If you've done it all properly it should look like below.
Hopkins, A.G. (2003). Globilization in World History. New York City: Norton. ISBN 0393979423.
You may also want to check out the various other citation templates and use those in the article. Sanguis Sanies ( talk) 17:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
so who wants to fix what part of the good article thing still needed? Chazz Aden ( talk) 19:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
i dont believe i completely understand what needs to be done to it Eric wisniewski 02:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I can take care of the clarification of the three sentences. If everyone else could team up to fill in the history gaps, that would be much appreciated. Jon Luchansky Jcl41 ( talk) 08:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
the only problem with the issue of filling in the gaps in history is that that is what we covered in class. Filling in the gaps would most likely involve an extensive research project of some kind as i don't know much about global history and i especially don't know any good sources off the top of my head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.10.159 ( talk) 09:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
what would be a couple of good sources to start off with for the period you just referenced, other than checking the sources from relevant wikipedia pages? I figured you might have a couple in mind since you gave a pretty solid summary...
Chazz Aden ( talk) 19:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
A major problem with this article (from an academic point of view) is that it characterizes the semiperiphery as a transitional, rather than a structural, state. In fact, all of the countries in today's semiperiphery were already there when Wallerstein defined the term in 1974, and really were there from the beginning of the modern economic record. Most world-systems theorists see the categories of Core, Semiperiphery, and Periphery as relatively stable features of the world-system, not as temporary statuses. On this, see especially the classic source: Arrighi, Giovanni, and Jessica Drangel. 1986. “The Stratification of the World- Economy: An Exploration of the Semiperipheral Zone.” Review 10:9-74.
My own work on this is freely accessible online at:
http://jwsr.ucr.edu/archive/vol11/number1/pdf/jwsr-v11n1-babones.pdf
Enjoy!
S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbabones ( talk • contribs) 09:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Some parts of the article need to be rewritten due to WP:COPYVIO. For example, the sentence (currently in the lead) "The semi-periphery is fertile ground for social, organizational, and technical innovation and has an advantageous location for the establishment of new centers of power" added here is taken directly from Chase-Dunn and Hall (as can be seen here: source). Another example: this is too close to the orignal, per Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing ( source). Compare: addition: "semi-periphery countries act as a peripheral zone for core countries and in some ways a core to periphery states" ; source: "in part they act as a peripheral zone for core countries and in part they act as a core country...". Changing "in part" to "some" is not enough. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
i'm in the process of changing the cites, references, and notes to reflect the way wikipedia wants it to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.weingart ( talk • contribs) 05:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
who wants to look up ISBNs for all of our books we cited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.weingart ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
can whoever had the 13th century (I think that was Pat) cover the gap?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 19:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
In other news, I am still waiting for the 1670-1875 section... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Specific in-text problems include use of the word "exploits" and "political crises". Scientifically speaking, this is a worthless definition as it includes too many loaded phrases to be considered impartial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.181.171 ( talk) 03:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/Class%209%20-%20The%20World%20System%20Perspective.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.weingart ( talk • contribs) 18:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
http://www.irows.ucr.edu/cd/theory/b5ch5.htm
http://www.people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/coreperiphery.html (includes map)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country#List_of_emerging_and_developing_economies (also see references used in this article)
http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=/RIS/RIS34_S1/S026021050800781Xa.pdf&code=6e242422ede58df23d961c531b3262e2 (article discussing Globo corporation in context of periphery and semi-periphery)
http://www.springerlink.com/content/2118h2x63n84u170/fulltext.pdf (THE SEMIPERIPHERY IN AFRICA AND LATIN AMERICA: SUBIMPERIALISM AND SEMIINDUSTRIALISM)
Generally, these articles are about the economic and political characteristics of semi-periphery countries. A couple articles provide specific examples while others are more theoretical. For the group, I would definitely read the Wallerstein paper that Dan posted a link to, as he seems to be the lead theorist on our topic. In the meantime, continue to look for articles that relate not only to your specific topic but the article as whole. Jcl41 ( talk) 03:08, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Jon Luchansky
A group of 5 students from the University of Pittsburgh, enrolled in Global Society, will be editing this article.
see this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/User:Piotrus/Fall_2009
d.j.weingart (talk · contribs) (dan weingart), PatrickJatkins (talk · contribs) (pat atkins), Chazz Aden (talk · contribs) (chazz aden), Eric wisniewski (talk · contribs) (Eric wisniewski), jcl41 (talk · contribs) (jon luchansky)
Each member of the Group will write one section of the Wikipedia Article. They will correspond as follows:
Eric: Definition of the Semi-periphery
Pat: Semi-periphery countries in the 13th century
Dan: Semi-periphery countries from the 13th to today
John: Semi-periphery countries Today
Chazz: Transitional Effects on Exising Systems
The group has deliberated that meetings will occur within the group on a weekly basis to monitor the progress of the article. The function of these meeting will be to organize sources and references for the article, as well as refine its fluidity.
--
D.j.weingart (
talk)
02:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
so I put some rough information on the effects of the systems...I'll add more details later, this is just for now...let me know if there is anything in particular you want...
Chazz Aden ( talk) 20:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
hey guys, I'm really sorry I missed the meeting today...I thought someone else had taken today and we were on Wednesday. My bad. What should I be working on in addition to the usual stuff?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 22:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I've updated my section on semi-periphery countries today. I still have additional content I want to include but I have a solid foundation. Just a reminder to make sure you are citing more frequently. I did my best to combine references if we used them more than once, so feel free to take a look at the cheat sheet to see how to do that. I was going to try to make the list of countries into a table but I'm not sure how to do that so I'll ask Piotr. Chazz, not a big deal about today. We're set for today's deadline. Just continue to update your sections and communicate within this talk page. Everybody's sections look good so far. Jon Luchansky
Jcl41 (
talk)
01:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Here are some notes for further improvement of your draft:
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
if every one could add a relevant pic to their section, that would be cool
130.49.10.159 ( talk) 00:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
who wants to edit/revise the lead ?
D.j.weingart ( talk) 00:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Im going to try to revise the lead, sorry i have not posted this weekend, i took a trip home.Eric wisniewski —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The ip adress of 24.3.18.33 are my edits, thanks Eric wisniewski 01:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs)
Did it againEric wisniewski 01:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs)
any suggestions for the lead or item you would like incorporated?Eric wisniewski 02:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric wisniewski ( talk • contribs)
did anyone send in the nomination?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 17:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: @ harej 01:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
@ harej 02:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I've now copyedited much of the article. Here are my remaining concerns.
The following sentences need to be clarified:
History:
Otherwise, the article is considerably closer to Good Article status. @ harej 04:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Due to copyright issues, as pointed out on the talk page, this article has failed. Please re-nominate the article when the issues have been cleared up. @ harej 03:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
It would be great if you can find a more modern list of examples (Wallenstein's is certainly classic and should be kept, but being a 1976 list makes it in need of an update - if one exists, of course (but I am pretty sure it should)). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I can (and have already in a few spots) help with the general fixing of the article, though I haven't been able to find terribly much else to say about the effects...was anyone else able to find anything about them?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 04:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello all, impeccable work on the article so far, Kudos all round.
I would however give a few pointers on how to correctly CITE and how to use <ref name= > and the use of citation templates.
The most common ref you are going to use for this article is {{ cite book}} reading through the template pages should give you a very good idea of how to use them. You don't have to fill out all the information on every cite. however the more information the merrier. title= is the only field that is compulsory for {{ cite book}}.
So using Globalization in World History as an example you would fill it out like this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins |last2= |first2= |editor1-first= |editor1-last= |editor1-link= |others= |title=Globilization in World History|trans_title= |url= |format= |accessdate= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2003|month= |origyear= |publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]] |language= |isbn=0393979423|oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>
As you can see this has left rather a large amount of fields unfilled, that's okay, in fact we can get rid of them, leaving us with this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}</ref>
Now, obviously, you are using the book multiple times through the article so rather than cutting an pasting each and every time I'm going to show you how to use <ref name= > so what we are going to do is give the reference a name, we'll call it "hopkins", but you can all it anything "Globalization", "global" or even "asghd" or "iu43gh", ANYTHING, but to make it easy to remember we'll just stick with "hopkins" (it is cAsE SenSItiVE) so make sure you stick with either upper- or lower-case. So you simply put in <ref name= > the first time that you use the ref instead of <ref> and then every time you want to use that ref you simply put in <ref name=hopkins/> So now every time that you want to reference Globalization in World History all you need to do is put in <ref name=hopkins/>.
Now you want to quote an individual page, but you don't want to have to cut and paste and modify the cite each time you ref a page, so (as odd as this may sound) ignore what I just told you. Well, not entirely. we'll still use <ref name= > so when we want to quote page three multiple times we'll call our new ref "hop3" and when we quote page 21 we'll call that "hop21", but again it can be anything so now we'll fill the article full of this; <ref name=hop3>Hopkins 2003, page 3</ref> [1] and this; <ref name=hop21>Hopkins 2003, page 21</ref> [2], then whenever you want to ref page three you simply put in <ref name=hop3/> [1] and to ref page 21 use <ref name=hop21/> [2]
Then we need to split the references section at the bottom in two: ==Notes== and ==References== in ==Notes== we'll stick the {{ reflist}} template, and since it is a particularly large amount of references will split it into 4 columns by writing it like this: {{reflist|4}} this will automatically list all the <ref>'s throughout the article and sort them into 4 even columns for us.
Under the ==References== We'll list each of the books like this: {{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}. That way when people see "Hopkins 2003, Page 3" listed under ==Notes== they'll know to look for it under ==References== for Hopkins name.
If you've done it all properly it should look like below.
Hopkins, A.G. (2003). Globilization in World History. New York City: Norton. ISBN 0393979423.
You may also want to check out the various other citation templates and use those in the article. Sanguis Sanies ( talk) 17:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
so who wants to fix what part of the good article thing still needed? Chazz Aden ( talk) 19:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
i dont believe i completely understand what needs to be done to it Eric wisniewski 02:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I can take care of the clarification of the three sentences. If everyone else could team up to fill in the history gaps, that would be much appreciated. Jon Luchansky Jcl41 ( talk) 08:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
the only problem with the issue of filling in the gaps in history is that that is what we covered in class. Filling in the gaps would most likely involve an extensive research project of some kind as i don't know much about global history and i especially don't know any good sources off the top of my head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.10.159 ( talk) 09:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
what would be a couple of good sources to start off with for the period you just referenced, other than checking the sources from relevant wikipedia pages? I figured you might have a couple in mind since you gave a pretty solid summary...
Chazz Aden ( talk) 19:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
A major problem with this article (from an academic point of view) is that it characterizes the semiperiphery as a transitional, rather than a structural, state. In fact, all of the countries in today's semiperiphery were already there when Wallerstein defined the term in 1974, and really were there from the beginning of the modern economic record. Most world-systems theorists see the categories of Core, Semiperiphery, and Periphery as relatively stable features of the world-system, not as temporary statuses. On this, see especially the classic source: Arrighi, Giovanni, and Jessica Drangel. 1986. “The Stratification of the World- Economy: An Exploration of the Semiperipheral Zone.” Review 10:9-74.
My own work on this is freely accessible online at:
http://jwsr.ucr.edu/archive/vol11/number1/pdf/jwsr-v11n1-babones.pdf
Enjoy!
S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbabones ( talk • contribs) 09:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Some parts of the article need to be rewritten due to WP:COPYVIO. For example, the sentence (currently in the lead) "The semi-periphery is fertile ground for social, organizational, and technical innovation and has an advantageous location for the establishment of new centers of power" added here is taken directly from Chase-Dunn and Hall (as can be seen here: source). Another example: this is too close to the orignal, per Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing ( source). Compare: addition: "semi-periphery countries act as a peripheral zone for core countries and in some ways a core to periphery states" ; source: "in part they act as a peripheral zone for core countries and in part they act as a core country...". Changing "in part" to "some" is not enough. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
i'm in the process of changing the cites, references, and notes to reflect the way wikipedia wants it to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.weingart ( talk • contribs) 05:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
who wants to look up ISBNs for all of our books we cited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.weingart ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
can whoever had the 13th century (I think that was Pat) cover the gap?
Chazz Aden ( talk) 19:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
In other news, I am still waiting for the 1670-1875 section... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)