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We have seen comments on this talk page (see Clann, above), especially from User:Roidhrigh, calling into question the derivation of "clan" suggested by George Way. At present the statement in the article is actually unreferenced (in the section: Clan membership) - Way's comments on derivation are on page 21, whilst the citation after the end of the next sentence covers just that sentence and refers to page 28 of the source.
What is needed is (1) a decision on what is the correct, widely accepted etymology of the word "clan" - with alternative theories listed if they have sufficient support, and (2) references to support what is stated under (1). At present, the article does not have that. Hence the continued need for a citation needed tag. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 19:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Roidhrigh: Certainly a correct reference needs to be made, one that is scholarly and up-to-date. However, the reference needs to be with the first mention of clann in the first sentence of the whole article, which is the first appearance. The mention of clann in "Clan Membership" should state "as noted above".
Thanks for the explanation. I understand the concept of lead; I disagree with the placement of the reference at the second mention. Inefficiency. But, of course, that is neither here nor there.
The reference I have put is the most appropriate in this case. eDIL is from the Royal Irish Academy, and is in its way encyclopaedic. It refers to the use of Gaelic (both Scottish and Irish) up to the 1700s, sources including Brehon legal tracts dealing with family and clan law, among all other Old, Middle and Classical Gaelic/Irish texts. With examples (see http://www.dil.ie/about). Moreover, referencing modern Irish and Gaelic dictionaries will give the core uses of the word clann, such as (Irish) https://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fgb/clann and (Scottish) https://www.faclair.com/ViewEntry.aspx?ID=E487C4950A71930F177A5D746F689043. roidhrigh 8:26, 16 October 2019 (CET)
Many thanks for that. Roidhrigh 19:00 , 17 October 2019 (CET).
Greetings How do I add MacLaurin to the list of Armigerous clans? I am also assembling a Clan MacLaurin page. Cordially Macrorybeg ( talk) 14:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
As the title says, Maxwell seems to be omitted, or, if I'm somehow missing it, it is not on the place where it should have been found. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 10:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Are there any statistics of population number? Maybe in census? Kaiyr ( talk) 04:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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We have seen comments on this talk page (see Clann, above), especially from User:Roidhrigh, calling into question the derivation of "clan" suggested by George Way. At present the statement in the article is actually unreferenced (in the section: Clan membership) - Way's comments on derivation are on page 21, whilst the citation after the end of the next sentence covers just that sentence and refers to page 28 of the source.
What is needed is (1) a decision on what is the correct, widely accepted etymology of the word "clan" - with alternative theories listed if they have sufficient support, and (2) references to support what is stated under (1). At present, the article does not have that. Hence the continued need for a citation needed tag. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 19:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Roidhrigh: Certainly a correct reference needs to be made, one that is scholarly and up-to-date. However, the reference needs to be with the first mention of clann in the first sentence of the whole article, which is the first appearance. The mention of clann in "Clan Membership" should state "as noted above".
Thanks for the explanation. I understand the concept of lead; I disagree with the placement of the reference at the second mention. Inefficiency. But, of course, that is neither here nor there.
The reference I have put is the most appropriate in this case. eDIL is from the Royal Irish Academy, and is in its way encyclopaedic. It refers to the use of Gaelic (both Scottish and Irish) up to the 1700s, sources including Brehon legal tracts dealing with family and clan law, among all other Old, Middle and Classical Gaelic/Irish texts. With examples (see http://www.dil.ie/about). Moreover, referencing modern Irish and Gaelic dictionaries will give the core uses of the word clann, such as (Irish) https://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fgb/clann and (Scottish) https://www.faclair.com/ViewEntry.aspx?ID=E487C4950A71930F177A5D746F689043. roidhrigh 8:26, 16 October 2019 (CET)
Many thanks for that. Roidhrigh 19:00 , 17 October 2019 (CET).
Greetings How do I add MacLaurin to the list of Armigerous clans? I am also assembling a Clan MacLaurin page. Cordially Macrorybeg ( talk) 14:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
As the title says, Maxwell seems to be omitted, or, if I'm somehow missing it, it is not on the place where it should have been found. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 10:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Are there any statistics of population number? Maybe in census? Kaiyr ( talk) 04:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)