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This article is very short, and hardly describes anything about how science as a social enterprise works. It's at least got to start with peer review, and should cover how explicit knowledge and tacit knowledge about techniques are dispersed throughout the community, the incentives to do science (economics, the reputation system, the tenure carrot), standards for behavior (and examples of violations), the peculiarly open nature of the enterprise, and its relationship to other social system, like government, the economy, and culture. -- Beland 02:52, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Fastfission about the focus of the article. But Beland is right to point out that the survey of the object science studies (i.e. science) is very thin. Can the technology studies stuff be moved to its own entry, which could then be linked to? The subdisciplines of STS could also get their own entries. Things that are POV from the POV of STS, may be wholly objective from within, say, ANT, social epistemology, SSK, etc. The fact that these fields are part of STS, however, seems to be beyond dispute. As would be a history of STS as an "open site" for various approaches to the study (descriptive, empirical) and policing (prescriptive, normative) of research. An important turning point here is the status of Kuhn and Foucault in the late 60s, which seemed also to mark a convergence of concerns derives from Phil og Sci, Hist of Sci, Soc. of Sci Know, etc. In any case, the dominance of technology in the article is a bit odd. I'm new here so I don't know how one goes about moving a big chunk of text like that into its own article or how one makes the decision to do so. But I'm looking forward to getting to work on this. (I'm going to be working more or less simultaneously on the social epistemology entry.)-- Peloria 10:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I haven't looked at this article for awhile and now it has gigantic Excel images pasted in. I'm not sure I understand what they have to do with science studies or even technology studies. I am thinking that, if they belong somewhere, they don't belong in this article, which is on an academic discipline. Anybody else have thoughts on this? -- Fastfission 04:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've tried to be a little more specific about SS's interdisciplinary history, making it clear that SS emerges from SSK (among other things) rather than SSK being a subfield within SS. This also allowed me to free the names of Kuhn and Foucault from any direct association with these large background contexts, respecting their canonical status in many different fields. I'll be re-reading the whole entry and fixing the sentences as I add things over the next few weeks.-- Peloria 05:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article is full of nonsense and needs to be cleaned up. Sample pompous nonsense : "Science studies is best understood as a moment in a steadily widening conversation, in which scholars with interests in the social, historical, and philosophical analysis of science and technology have achieved a succession of wider integrations." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.214.62 ( talk) 04:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to hear from contributors about changing the name of this article. I believe science and technology studies (STS) is a more inclusive and more accurate name than science studies, for the following reasons:
1. There is a thriving multidisciplinary research area that self-identifies itself as science and technology studies (Janasoff et al., 2001). Doctoral programs that specifically use the phrase "science and technology studies" to describe the degree are offered at Cornell Univ., Georgia Institute of Technology, Gothenburg Univ. (Sweden), Lancaster Univ. (UK), Virginia Polytechnic Institute, University College (London), and several other institutions. Roughly 25 universities offer bachelor's degrees using this nomenclature (the most up-to-date [ list of STS programs] is maintained by the University of Virginia's Department of Science, Technology, and Society).
2. The term "science studies" is sometimes used inclusively to refer to STS, particularly in U.K. (see, e.g., [ Centre for Science Studies, Lancaster University], but the term "science studies" is more closely associated with the sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK). There are numerous science studies departments that place little or no emphasis on the study of technology, despite the growing evidence that the two are so closely intertwined that they cannot be studied in isolation (see, e.g., Latour 1989).
3. STS programs and organizations (such as the Society for Social Studies of Science, or 4S) view STS as an umbrella term, one that encompasses a variety of subdisciplines, including the following (minimally): sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK), sociology and anthropology of science and technology, science and engineering ethics, science and engineering policy, history of science, history of technology, and philosophy of science and technology. STS departments reflect this heterogeneity, yet their faculty generally self-identify as STS scholars.
4. The most prominent professional organization in STS, Society for Social Studies of Science, stresses the following on its Web site: "Society for Social Studies of Science is the oldest and largest scholarly association devoted to understanding science and technology. While as many of us [now] study technology as science, we continue to use our original name" (see [ About the Society].
To sum up:
1. Remove the redirect from the science and technology studies page and move the pertinent sections of this article there. 2. This page should portray science studies as part of STS, and link to SSK.
Bryan 13:04, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
REFERENCES
Jasanoff, Shiela, James C Petersen, Trevor Pinch, Gerald E Markle, 2001. Handbook of Science and Technology Studies. Sage Publications.
Latour, Bruno. 1989. La science en action. Paris: Editions La Decouverte
The preceding proposal has survived three weeks without comment, so I'm going to proceed with my proposed changes. Please help! Bryan 23:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
of the following sentence: "Previously, successful scientific theories were attributed to having discovered the truth of the matter, while failed theories were attributed to the bias introduced by social factors, such as religious belief or racism." This strikes me as a straw man argument that does not honestly represent the kind of philosophy of science that the Strong Programme is intended to oppose or supercede. For instance, the Popperian philosophy of science never fell into the error of believing that the "truth" could be discovered (indeed, it holds the opposite to be true); and the Popperian point of view, whatever its flaws, was extremely influential for much of the 20th century, i.e. it was previous to the Strong Programme. And it appears to me that attributing the failure of a theory to social factors is purely postmodern. For instance, even if we accept that the value that causes us to hold quantum mechanics as higher in value than Newtonian mechanics is a social value, none of the *classical* philosophers of science held the failure of Newtonian mechanics to account for the discrete spectra of atoms to be due to social factors. Thus, as a description of a type of philosophy of science that contrasts with the Strong Programme, the quoted sentence strikes me as unclear at best, and probably just plain wrong. 67.186.28.212 04:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
This article is so unbelievably pompous, one hardly knows where to begin. -- Deglr6328 05:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I have two critiques with this article.
1. Too many abbreviations. In my eyes this gives the impression of "pomposity" that I think Degir was referencing. I recommend elimination of moar of them... especially those that are only once used in this article.
2. Two many red links. Again, it has the same effect... like "Science studies" has its own vocab that only the initiated can understand. The way to fix this is to delink or to create articles. (I'm not saying other Wikipedia articles aren't similar.)
I think I can fix in a bit. I don't know anything about the red-links so I can just delink them for now.
Thoughts? Thanks! -- M a s 01:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Some time ago a group of editors set up a "work in progress" page (at Talk:Physics/wip) to hammer out a consensus for the Physics article, which for too long had been in an unstable state. Discussion of the lead for the article has taken a great deal of time and thousands of words. The definitional and philosophical foundations seem to cause most headaches; but progress has been made. Why not review some of the proposals for the lead material that people are putting forward, or put forward your own, or simply join the discussion? The more contributors the better, for a consensus.
Update at 13 November: Concrete proposals have now been put forward, arising from recent discussion aimed at producing a stable and consensual lead section for the Physics article. We have set up a straw poll, for comments on the proposals. Why not drop in at Talk:Physics/wip, and have your say? The proper definition of physics, and the place of physics among the sciences, may well be of interest to editors who contribute here. – Noetica 23:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see a section in the article explaining the relationship between Science studies and Philosophy of Science.
The wiki Philosophy of Science page is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
Admittedly, I don't have a detailed enough understanding to be sure, but based on this article it seems that science studies is a post-modernist branch of philosophy of science generally. Various thinkers within philosophy of science have addressed the place of science in society, culture, economy, politics and history, so it is unclear to me how Science studies is substantively different in focus (I presume it is in some way, it just isn't clear what the distinction is). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.79.71 ( talk) 21:48, 18 February 2011(UTC)
This article aswell as its eponymous Category:Science studies seems to have been categorized in a very confused manner. Could we discuss the correct categories here? We should go by the article Brad7777 ( talk) 01:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
This article seems overly reliant on citing "Social studies of volcanology: knowledge generation and expert advice on active volcanoes" by Donovan et al., which is currently the first item, and mostly frequently cited item, in the reference list. In many of the places in this article where Donovan et al. are cited, a more general text about science studies (instead of this text that is specifically about social studies of volcanology) would be more appropriate. Biogeographist ( talk) 14:43, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Marxism has been a seminal influence in the development of science studies. I wrote a few sentences correcting the absence of this history without undoing anyone else's work. Although I could have given hundreds of citations, I gave several solid, academically respected, sources that cover the field with considerable scope and depth. As it stood, an obscure paper by the Ossowskis in the 1930 and then the much-cited Kuhn book in the 1960s did not constitute a credible and accurate disciplinary history. Wikiman2718 twice undid my contribution, aggressively and dogmatically decreeing that Marxism has nothing to do with science. ProfZeit ( talk) 09:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
Marxism has been a seminal influence in the history of science studies. I did an edit consisting of a few sentences to correct this omission. I did not undo anyone else's work. Although I could have given hundreds of sources, I gave several respected sources that cover the field with much scope and depth and lead to many other sources. To say that the discipline began in the 1930s with an obscure paper by the Ossowskis and jumped to the much-cited book by Kuhn in the 1960s conveys an inadequate, even false, disciplinary history. Wikiman2718 twice undid my edit with the aggressive and dogmatic assertion that Marxism has nothing to do with science. I regard this vandalism. ProfZeit ( talk) 10:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
Marxism is not a fringe theory. It is a major intellectual tradition with an elaborate body of adherents and respected texts. Its contribution to various disciplines, including science studies, is acknowledged by many who are not Marxists, such as Professor Loren Graham of MIT and Harvard. In mainstream encyclopedias, there are many entries documenting this. For example, the Encyclopedia of Science Technology and Ethics has a number of articles on Marxism and Marxists and their contributions to this field. Why should the status quo be Wikiman2718's dogmatic denial of this rather than my informed assertion of this? ProfZeit ( talk) 09:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
So how to proceed with this? Taking into consideration the discussion on the-- ProfZeit ( talk) 10:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC) noticeboard, I propose that I reinstate my edits on the entries on philosophy of science and science studies. My one on philosophy of science is only one sentence. I can delete the word 'rich'. On both, I can add non-Marxist sources. It would not be a good idea to delete the Marxist ones I have chosen, because they survey the field in a relatively comprehensive way and lead on to many other sources. Otherwise, I'll take it to dispute resolution. I don't yet know how to do that, because I am new to Wikipedia editing and was only intending to make a few strategic edit, but I regard this as a matter of principle. -- ProfZeit ( talk) 10:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
On the due weight issue, I have, if anything, erred on the other side, in writing so few sentences about such an elaborate intellectual tradition. As to whether it belongs in a general article on philosophy of science or science studies, I argue that it does. Marxists have taught in mainstream universities, presented at mainstream conferences, published in mainstream journals and publishing houses for decades now. They have interacted with and been respected by non-Marxists. There are many academics, who are not Marxists, who have nevertheless been influenced by Marxism, some knowingly, but others through the evolution of their disciplines, even if they are not knowledgeable about their disciplinary histories. I am for reinstatement of my edit, although I agree that the overall article is very poor, with or without it. -- ProfZeit ( talk) 09:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
So is one of you going to do a comprehensive reworking of this article and give Marxism due weight in it? -- ProfZeit ( talk) 09:29, 17 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
It looks to me as if you would be a good person to overhaul this article. I hope that you will do it at some point. -- ProfZeit ( talk) 10:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
I found a non-Marxist source that puts the Marxist scholars of science mentioned in the edit in question into broader historical context:
Hackett, Edward J.; Amsterdamska, Olga; Lynch, Michael; Wajcman, Judy, eds. (2008). The Handbook of Science and Technology Studies. Published in cooperation with the Society for Social Studies of Science (3rd ed.). Cambridge, MA: MIT Press. ISBN 9780262083645. OCLC 78071344.
See especially chapter two, "The social study of science before Kuhn" (and especially pages 43 ff.) by Stephen Turner, who is not a Marxist but nevertheless discusses most of the Marxists mentioned in the edit in question. Turner puts these Marxists in a much broader historical narrative that doesn't start or end with the Marxists; however, Turner basically ends with Kuhn, omitting much of the work since the 1970s that we associate with more recent science studies.
There is also an important mention in chapter 26, "The commercialization of science and the response of STS" by Philip Mirowski and Esther-Mirjam Sent: "Close on the heels of the enunciation of the Hessen thesis in the 1930s and the subsequent Cold War anti-Marxian backlash against it, most appeals to economic structures as conditioning factors in the production of science simply dropped out of postwar theoretical discourse within science studies" (page 637). Mirowski & Sent cite some secondary sources regarding this "anti-Marxian backlash", including William McGucken's book Scientists, Society and the State: The Social Relations of Science Movement in Great Britain, 1931–1947 (Columbus: Ohio State University Press, 1984) and a couple of more recent journal articles. Biogeographist ( talk) 22:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I also noticed that in the same issue of Science as Culture in which was published Gary Werskey's article (which was cited in the edit in question) there are two responses to Werskey that should be read along with his article: Steve Fuller's "Learning from error: an autopsy of Bernalism" and Christopher Hamlin's "STS: Where the Marxist critique of capitalist science goes to die?" They add additional perspectives to Werskey's account. Biogeographist ( talk) 21:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
When brackets are probably used in a sentence, they do not change the meaning of the sentence. The two instances where brackets are used give a perceived bias. Toribaragiola ( talk) 04:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
I perceive a significant overlap between Science Studies and Nature of Science education as described. e.g. by McComas (2020). It may be helpful to reference Nature of Science education also in this article.
Book title: Nature of Science in Science Instruction: Rationales and Strategies
ISBN: 978-3-030-57239-6
DOI: 10.1007/978-3-030-57239-6_3
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This article is very short, and hardly describes anything about how science as a social enterprise works. It's at least got to start with peer review, and should cover how explicit knowledge and tacit knowledge about techniques are dispersed throughout the community, the incentives to do science (economics, the reputation system, the tenure carrot), standards for behavior (and examples of violations), the peculiarly open nature of the enterprise, and its relationship to other social system, like government, the economy, and culture. -- Beland 02:52, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Fastfission about the focus of the article. But Beland is right to point out that the survey of the object science studies (i.e. science) is very thin. Can the technology studies stuff be moved to its own entry, which could then be linked to? The subdisciplines of STS could also get their own entries. Things that are POV from the POV of STS, may be wholly objective from within, say, ANT, social epistemology, SSK, etc. The fact that these fields are part of STS, however, seems to be beyond dispute. As would be a history of STS as an "open site" for various approaches to the study (descriptive, empirical) and policing (prescriptive, normative) of research. An important turning point here is the status of Kuhn and Foucault in the late 60s, which seemed also to mark a convergence of concerns derives from Phil og Sci, Hist of Sci, Soc. of Sci Know, etc. In any case, the dominance of technology in the article is a bit odd. I'm new here so I don't know how one goes about moving a big chunk of text like that into its own article or how one makes the decision to do so. But I'm looking forward to getting to work on this. (I'm going to be working more or less simultaneously on the social epistemology entry.)-- Peloria 10:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I haven't looked at this article for awhile and now it has gigantic Excel images pasted in. I'm not sure I understand what they have to do with science studies or even technology studies. I am thinking that, if they belong somewhere, they don't belong in this article, which is on an academic discipline. Anybody else have thoughts on this? -- Fastfission 04:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've tried to be a little more specific about SS's interdisciplinary history, making it clear that SS emerges from SSK (among other things) rather than SSK being a subfield within SS. This also allowed me to free the names of Kuhn and Foucault from any direct association with these large background contexts, respecting their canonical status in many different fields. I'll be re-reading the whole entry and fixing the sentences as I add things over the next few weeks.-- Peloria 05:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article is full of nonsense and needs to be cleaned up. Sample pompous nonsense : "Science studies is best understood as a moment in a steadily widening conversation, in which scholars with interests in the social, historical, and philosophical analysis of science and technology have achieved a succession of wider integrations." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.214.62 ( talk) 04:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to hear from contributors about changing the name of this article. I believe science and technology studies (STS) is a more inclusive and more accurate name than science studies, for the following reasons:
1. There is a thriving multidisciplinary research area that self-identifies itself as science and technology studies (Janasoff et al., 2001). Doctoral programs that specifically use the phrase "science and technology studies" to describe the degree are offered at Cornell Univ., Georgia Institute of Technology, Gothenburg Univ. (Sweden), Lancaster Univ. (UK), Virginia Polytechnic Institute, University College (London), and several other institutions. Roughly 25 universities offer bachelor's degrees using this nomenclature (the most up-to-date [ list of STS programs] is maintained by the University of Virginia's Department of Science, Technology, and Society).
2. The term "science studies" is sometimes used inclusively to refer to STS, particularly in U.K. (see, e.g., [ Centre for Science Studies, Lancaster University], but the term "science studies" is more closely associated with the sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK). There are numerous science studies departments that place little or no emphasis on the study of technology, despite the growing evidence that the two are so closely intertwined that they cannot be studied in isolation (see, e.g., Latour 1989).
3. STS programs and organizations (such as the Society for Social Studies of Science, or 4S) view STS as an umbrella term, one that encompasses a variety of subdisciplines, including the following (minimally): sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK), sociology and anthropology of science and technology, science and engineering ethics, science and engineering policy, history of science, history of technology, and philosophy of science and technology. STS departments reflect this heterogeneity, yet their faculty generally self-identify as STS scholars.
4. The most prominent professional organization in STS, Society for Social Studies of Science, stresses the following on its Web site: "Society for Social Studies of Science is the oldest and largest scholarly association devoted to understanding science and technology. While as many of us [now] study technology as science, we continue to use our original name" (see [ About the Society].
To sum up:
1. Remove the redirect from the science and technology studies page and move the pertinent sections of this article there. 2. This page should portray science studies as part of STS, and link to SSK.
Bryan 13:04, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
REFERENCES
Jasanoff, Shiela, James C Petersen, Trevor Pinch, Gerald E Markle, 2001. Handbook of Science and Technology Studies. Sage Publications.
Latour, Bruno. 1989. La science en action. Paris: Editions La Decouverte
The preceding proposal has survived three weeks without comment, so I'm going to proceed with my proposed changes. Please help! Bryan 23:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
of the following sentence: "Previously, successful scientific theories were attributed to having discovered the truth of the matter, while failed theories were attributed to the bias introduced by social factors, such as religious belief or racism." This strikes me as a straw man argument that does not honestly represent the kind of philosophy of science that the Strong Programme is intended to oppose or supercede. For instance, the Popperian philosophy of science never fell into the error of believing that the "truth" could be discovered (indeed, it holds the opposite to be true); and the Popperian point of view, whatever its flaws, was extremely influential for much of the 20th century, i.e. it was previous to the Strong Programme. And it appears to me that attributing the failure of a theory to social factors is purely postmodern. For instance, even if we accept that the value that causes us to hold quantum mechanics as higher in value than Newtonian mechanics is a social value, none of the *classical* philosophers of science held the failure of Newtonian mechanics to account for the discrete spectra of atoms to be due to social factors. Thus, as a description of a type of philosophy of science that contrasts with the Strong Programme, the quoted sentence strikes me as unclear at best, and probably just plain wrong. 67.186.28.212 04:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
This article is so unbelievably pompous, one hardly knows where to begin. -- Deglr6328 05:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I have two critiques with this article.
1. Too many abbreviations. In my eyes this gives the impression of "pomposity" that I think Degir was referencing. I recommend elimination of moar of them... especially those that are only once used in this article.
2. Two many red links. Again, it has the same effect... like "Science studies" has its own vocab that only the initiated can understand. The way to fix this is to delink or to create articles. (I'm not saying other Wikipedia articles aren't similar.)
I think I can fix in a bit. I don't know anything about the red-links so I can just delink them for now.
Thoughts? Thanks! -- M a s 01:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Some time ago a group of editors set up a "work in progress" page (at Talk:Physics/wip) to hammer out a consensus for the Physics article, which for too long had been in an unstable state. Discussion of the lead for the article has taken a great deal of time and thousands of words. The definitional and philosophical foundations seem to cause most headaches; but progress has been made. Why not review some of the proposals for the lead material that people are putting forward, or put forward your own, or simply join the discussion? The more contributors the better, for a consensus.
Update at 13 November: Concrete proposals have now been put forward, arising from recent discussion aimed at producing a stable and consensual lead section for the Physics article. We have set up a straw poll, for comments on the proposals. Why not drop in at Talk:Physics/wip, and have your say? The proper definition of physics, and the place of physics among the sciences, may well be of interest to editors who contribute here. – Noetica 23:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see a section in the article explaining the relationship between Science studies and Philosophy of Science.
The wiki Philosophy of Science page is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
Admittedly, I don't have a detailed enough understanding to be sure, but based on this article it seems that science studies is a post-modernist branch of philosophy of science generally. Various thinkers within philosophy of science have addressed the place of science in society, culture, economy, politics and history, so it is unclear to me how Science studies is substantively different in focus (I presume it is in some way, it just isn't clear what the distinction is). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.79.71 ( talk) 21:48, 18 February 2011(UTC)
This article aswell as its eponymous Category:Science studies seems to have been categorized in a very confused manner. Could we discuss the correct categories here? We should go by the article Brad7777 ( talk) 01:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
This article seems overly reliant on citing "Social studies of volcanology: knowledge generation and expert advice on active volcanoes" by Donovan et al., which is currently the first item, and mostly frequently cited item, in the reference list. In many of the places in this article where Donovan et al. are cited, a more general text about science studies (instead of this text that is specifically about social studies of volcanology) would be more appropriate. Biogeographist ( talk) 14:43, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Marxism has been a seminal influence in the development of science studies. I wrote a few sentences correcting the absence of this history without undoing anyone else's work. Although I could have given hundreds of citations, I gave several solid, academically respected, sources that cover the field with considerable scope and depth. As it stood, an obscure paper by the Ossowskis in the 1930 and then the much-cited Kuhn book in the 1960s did not constitute a credible and accurate disciplinary history. Wikiman2718 twice undid my contribution, aggressively and dogmatically decreeing that Marxism has nothing to do with science. ProfZeit ( talk) 09:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
Marxism has been a seminal influence in the history of science studies. I did an edit consisting of a few sentences to correct this omission. I did not undo anyone else's work. Although I could have given hundreds of sources, I gave several respected sources that cover the field with much scope and depth and lead to many other sources. To say that the discipline began in the 1930s with an obscure paper by the Ossowskis and jumped to the much-cited book by Kuhn in the 1960s conveys an inadequate, even false, disciplinary history. Wikiman2718 twice undid my edit with the aggressive and dogmatic assertion that Marxism has nothing to do with science. I regard this vandalism. ProfZeit ( talk) 10:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
Marxism is not a fringe theory. It is a major intellectual tradition with an elaborate body of adherents and respected texts. Its contribution to various disciplines, including science studies, is acknowledged by many who are not Marxists, such as Professor Loren Graham of MIT and Harvard. In mainstream encyclopedias, there are many entries documenting this. For example, the Encyclopedia of Science Technology and Ethics has a number of articles on Marxism and Marxists and their contributions to this field. Why should the status quo be Wikiman2718's dogmatic denial of this rather than my informed assertion of this? ProfZeit ( talk) 09:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
So how to proceed with this? Taking into consideration the discussion on the-- ProfZeit ( talk) 10:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC) noticeboard, I propose that I reinstate my edits on the entries on philosophy of science and science studies. My one on philosophy of science is only one sentence. I can delete the word 'rich'. On both, I can add non-Marxist sources. It would not be a good idea to delete the Marxist ones I have chosen, because they survey the field in a relatively comprehensive way and lead on to many other sources. Otherwise, I'll take it to dispute resolution. I don't yet know how to do that, because I am new to Wikipedia editing and was only intending to make a few strategic edit, but I regard this as a matter of principle. -- ProfZeit ( talk) 10:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
On the due weight issue, I have, if anything, erred on the other side, in writing so few sentences about such an elaborate intellectual tradition. As to whether it belongs in a general article on philosophy of science or science studies, I argue that it does. Marxists have taught in mainstream universities, presented at mainstream conferences, published in mainstream journals and publishing houses for decades now. They have interacted with and been respected by non-Marxists. There are many academics, who are not Marxists, who have nevertheless been influenced by Marxism, some knowingly, but others through the evolution of their disciplines, even if they are not knowledgeable about their disciplinary histories. I am for reinstatement of my edit, although I agree that the overall article is very poor, with or without it. -- ProfZeit ( talk) 09:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
So is one of you going to do a comprehensive reworking of this article and give Marxism due weight in it? -- ProfZeit ( talk) 09:29, 17 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
It looks to me as if you would be a good person to overhaul this article. I hope that you will do it at some point. -- ProfZeit ( talk) 10:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)ProfZeit
I found a non-Marxist source that puts the Marxist scholars of science mentioned in the edit in question into broader historical context:
Hackett, Edward J.; Amsterdamska, Olga; Lynch, Michael; Wajcman, Judy, eds. (2008). The Handbook of Science and Technology Studies. Published in cooperation with the Society for Social Studies of Science (3rd ed.). Cambridge, MA: MIT Press. ISBN 9780262083645. OCLC 78071344.
See especially chapter two, "The social study of science before Kuhn" (and especially pages 43 ff.) by Stephen Turner, who is not a Marxist but nevertheless discusses most of the Marxists mentioned in the edit in question. Turner puts these Marxists in a much broader historical narrative that doesn't start or end with the Marxists; however, Turner basically ends with Kuhn, omitting much of the work since the 1970s that we associate with more recent science studies.
There is also an important mention in chapter 26, "The commercialization of science and the response of STS" by Philip Mirowski and Esther-Mirjam Sent: "Close on the heels of the enunciation of the Hessen thesis in the 1930s and the subsequent Cold War anti-Marxian backlash against it, most appeals to economic structures as conditioning factors in the production of science simply dropped out of postwar theoretical discourse within science studies" (page 637). Mirowski & Sent cite some secondary sources regarding this "anti-Marxian backlash", including William McGucken's book Scientists, Society and the State: The Social Relations of Science Movement in Great Britain, 1931–1947 (Columbus: Ohio State University Press, 1984) and a couple of more recent journal articles. Biogeographist ( talk) 22:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I also noticed that in the same issue of Science as Culture in which was published Gary Werskey's article (which was cited in the edit in question) there are two responses to Werskey that should be read along with his article: Steve Fuller's "Learning from error: an autopsy of Bernalism" and Christopher Hamlin's "STS: Where the Marxist critique of capitalist science goes to die?" They add additional perspectives to Werskey's account. Biogeographist ( talk) 21:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
When brackets are probably used in a sentence, they do not change the meaning of the sentence. The two instances where brackets are used give a perceived bias. Toribaragiola ( talk) 04:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
I perceive a significant overlap between Science Studies and Nature of Science education as described. e.g. by McComas (2020). It may be helpful to reference Nature of Science education also in this article.
Book title: Nature of Science in Science Instruction: Rationales and Strategies
ISBN: 978-3-030-57239-6
DOI: 10.1007/978-3-030-57239-6_3