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A user ( Ccharters) who seems to be employed by the company has repeatedly been removing the name of (and all other information about) the person who is reportedly the chairman of the board and controlling stockholder of this company. They have said that they are removing this information "to preserve his privacy". The information that is being removed includes references to sources that I consider reliable sources, and the editor who is removing the information does not seem to dispute the factual accuracy of the information being removed. My understanding is that there is a public interest in identifying who controls such a large privately-owned company. However, since there seems to be a content dispute involved, I think it is appropropriate to discuss the matter here on the Talk page to seek a consensus about the issue. Your comments are hereby invited. — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Should the article identify the chairman of the board of this company? (Please see prior discussion at Talk:Sazerac Company for background information on this topic.) — BarrelProof ( talk) 18:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
It is not Wikilpedia policy to have long simple lists of products. If someone wants to add sections that discuss the importance of particular products, that is fine. However, it is a violation of WP:NOTCATALOG to simply list dozens of products. Wikipedia is not a source of all knowledge. Rogermx ( talk) 02:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
@Rogermx’- I do actually know that this should not be an exhaustive list. So, rather than a blanket revert, you should submit a list, *SPECIFICALLY* of the products you believe should not be on the list & why.
MissTofATX ( talk) 06:15, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
What I’m asking is what criteria is being used specifically to determine what should or should not should be included. If someone has a good reason foe what to include or exclude, they should explain the logic of their proposed changes. Otherwise, it seems completely arbitrary.
“Any Questions? Any Ansers?” lol MissTofATX ( talk) 06:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@SamHolt6 - can you answer any of my questions above?
It stands to reason that no one has answered my questions yet . If you’re sure that you’re right, them you could answer easily. Just sayin’. I did say that we could talk about what needs to be removed...was not dead set on the whole list. MissTofATX ( talk) 07:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTOfATX
I did not try to repost the product list...I moved on and that’s completely separate from listing acquisitions. Please give a specific example?
MissTofATX ( talk) 21:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@Rogermx, thanks for your response. Those are good suggestions and I’ll work on them.
MissTofATX ( talk) 23:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@SmallBones ....what are you referring to by promotinal info? Everything there is factual. Do you have a specific example of something?
MissTofATX ( talk) 21:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@SamHolt6....you wouldn’t have even had time to review what I wrote...so why? MissTofATX ( talk) 09:35, 14 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX MissTofATX ( talk) 09:35, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
@SamHolt6...I thought your issue was with lists of products? and Smallbones was with advertising phraseolgy/worried about paid editors? Most liquor brands on wikipedia have detailed chronology on their pages, so as I said today, I completely overhauled what I had that seemed like advertisements. It's all bare bone facts, completely independent sources, I’ve disclosed I’m not a paid editor...the whole 9 yards. I did only ping @smallbones on my talk page, told them what I was working on, invited them to see it in sandbox - no response. You didn’t respond to any of my other questions above, so how would I know to ping you or anybody else in particular...Also, right above this thread is another discussion I created a few days ago about historical info, no response from anyone. I absolutely would like to discuss things before mass reversions, but apparently not many do. Communication is a two way street.
I just looked above....I did actually ping you@SamHolt6. & I tried to take @rogermx’s suggestions in my revision, which I feel I did effectively for the most part.
MissTofATX ( talk) 11:37, 14 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
Sorry that I haven't had much time for this article, but there is a clear problem with it. There's been so much effort trying to cram in the whole product list (or alternatively the whole record of product acquisitions) with low grade trade journal refs, that the real story of Sazerac is missing. Saz is the family owned business of billionaire William A. Goldring ($5.2 billion? I better check) Essentially founded in 1948, but rejiggered about 2010. I better recheck everything but a very different view of the business is documented in the folllowing:
And by searching for William A. Goldring, who essentially is the business, we'll find a lot more - let us please describe the business and stop promoting it with product lists. We just can't include its 300 low quality brands anywhere in Wikipedia. Smallbones( smalltalk) 01:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
@@ Smallbones:...that’s interesting, but the other day you’re supposed issue was with the information being promotional, advertising, and written by a paid editor. I eliminated anything that sounded promotional, answered your question about being a paid editor: I AM NOT! And you flaked on the conversation on my talk page where you alleged there were lots of paid editors running rampant on the page, and you did not respond to questions about that from others. I can see you’ve been online in the days since, but have chosen not to respond, even though being given an more than abundant opportunity.
MissTofATX ( talk) 04:24, 17 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
MissTofATX ( talk) 12:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX MissTofATX ( talk) 12:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
MissTofATX ( talk) 15:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
Now that the Taaka section has been removed, we have a small problem with Taaka. It's a redirect page that points here, but there is nothing here about Taaka. I have been unable to find any good sources about the Taaka acquisition. If we aren't going to provide any information here about Taaka, the redirect should probably be deleted. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
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A user ( Ccharters) who seems to be employed by the company has repeatedly been removing the name of (and all other information about) the person who is reportedly the chairman of the board and controlling stockholder of this company. They have said that they are removing this information "to preserve his privacy". The information that is being removed includes references to sources that I consider reliable sources, and the editor who is removing the information does not seem to dispute the factual accuracy of the information being removed. My understanding is that there is a public interest in identifying who controls such a large privately-owned company. However, since there seems to be a content dispute involved, I think it is appropropriate to discuss the matter here on the Talk page to seek a consensus about the issue. Your comments are hereby invited. — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Should the article identify the chairman of the board of this company? (Please see prior discussion at Talk:Sazerac Company for background information on this topic.) — BarrelProof ( talk) 18:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
It is not Wikilpedia policy to have long simple lists of products. If someone wants to add sections that discuss the importance of particular products, that is fine. However, it is a violation of WP:NOTCATALOG to simply list dozens of products. Wikipedia is not a source of all knowledge. Rogermx ( talk) 02:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
@Rogermx’- I do actually know that this should not be an exhaustive list. So, rather than a blanket revert, you should submit a list, *SPECIFICALLY* of the products you believe should not be on the list & why.
MissTofATX ( talk) 06:15, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
What I’m asking is what criteria is being used specifically to determine what should or should not should be included. If someone has a good reason foe what to include or exclude, they should explain the logic of their proposed changes. Otherwise, it seems completely arbitrary.
“Any Questions? Any Ansers?” lol MissTofATX ( talk) 06:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@SamHolt6 - can you answer any of my questions above?
It stands to reason that no one has answered my questions yet . If you’re sure that you’re right, them you could answer easily. Just sayin’. I did say that we could talk about what needs to be removed...was not dead set on the whole list. MissTofATX ( talk) 07:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTOfATX
I did not try to repost the product list...I moved on and that’s completely separate from listing acquisitions. Please give a specific example?
MissTofATX ( talk) 21:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@Rogermx, thanks for your response. Those are good suggestions and I’ll work on them.
MissTofATX ( talk) 23:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@SmallBones ....what are you referring to by promotinal info? Everything there is factual. Do you have a specific example of something?
MissTofATX ( talk) 21:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
@SamHolt6....you wouldn’t have even had time to review what I wrote...so why? MissTofATX ( talk) 09:35, 14 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX MissTofATX ( talk) 09:35, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
@SamHolt6...I thought your issue was with lists of products? and Smallbones was with advertising phraseolgy/worried about paid editors? Most liquor brands on wikipedia have detailed chronology on their pages, so as I said today, I completely overhauled what I had that seemed like advertisements. It's all bare bone facts, completely independent sources, I’ve disclosed I’m not a paid editor...the whole 9 yards. I did only ping @smallbones on my talk page, told them what I was working on, invited them to see it in sandbox - no response. You didn’t respond to any of my other questions above, so how would I know to ping you or anybody else in particular...Also, right above this thread is another discussion I created a few days ago about historical info, no response from anyone. I absolutely would like to discuss things before mass reversions, but apparently not many do. Communication is a two way street.
I just looked above....I did actually ping you@SamHolt6. & I tried to take @rogermx’s suggestions in my revision, which I feel I did effectively for the most part.
MissTofATX ( talk) 11:37, 14 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
Sorry that I haven't had much time for this article, but there is a clear problem with it. There's been so much effort trying to cram in the whole product list (or alternatively the whole record of product acquisitions) with low grade trade journal refs, that the real story of Sazerac is missing. Saz is the family owned business of billionaire William A. Goldring ($5.2 billion? I better check) Essentially founded in 1948, but rejiggered about 2010. I better recheck everything but a very different view of the business is documented in the folllowing:
And by searching for William A. Goldring, who essentially is the business, we'll find a lot more - let us please describe the business and stop promoting it with product lists. We just can't include its 300 low quality brands anywhere in Wikipedia. Smallbones( smalltalk) 01:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
@@ Smallbones:...that’s interesting, but the other day you’re supposed issue was with the information being promotional, advertising, and written by a paid editor. I eliminated anything that sounded promotional, answered your question about being a paid editor: I AM NOT! And you flaked on the conversation on my talk page where you alleged there were lots of paid editors running rampant on the page, and you did not respond to questions about that from others. I can see you’ve been online in the days since, but have chosen not to respond, even though being given an more than abundant opportunity.
MissTofATX ( talk) 04:24, 17 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
MissTofATX ( talk) 12:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX MissTofATX ( talk) 12:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
MissTofATX ( talk) 15:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX
Now that the Taaka section has been removed, we have a small problem with Taaka. It's a redirect page that points here, but there is nothing here about Taaka. I have been unable to find any good sources about the Taaka acquisition. If we aren't going to provide any information here about Taaka, the redirect should probably be deleted. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)