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Can somebody tell me what the hell this means?? This was put as the Japanese reading of her former title as an imperical princess. This is not Japanese but sound like Chinese or some other asian language... Lynnette 01:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I am sickened by those abusers leaving racial slurs in the place of current event articles. I don't know if it would be more help now to replace the replacement with a benign text or wait for some restoration of the original article, any hints?
I have understood that nori no miya sayako naishinnō denka's translation would be: Sayako, female prince (=princess) suo jure of princedom Nori. (As far as anything can be translated fully.) Am I correct in trusting that the abovesaid Japanese wording is in use of her in Japan? (or, why is it mentioned in the text??)
Based on this, my proposition for her article heading is
Sayako, Princess Nori
217.140.193.123 9 July 2005 10:53 (UTC)
"Sayako has quit her job as an ornithologist in order to focus on her family life and potential motherhood, a decision commonly encouraged in Japanese society due to its falling birth rate." Due to its falling birth rate?? Tradtional values maybe. If this is an official statement from Kuroda or the Imperial family please say so. Otherwise, get rid of "due to its falling birth rate".
What does it mean that she "left the Imperial Family"? - 130.232.65.174 16:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Is she still allowed contact with the Imperial Family, and perhaps attending the occasional Imperial event? -- Madchester 18:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Hm. If she has a son, will he be considered outside the royal line of succession? -- Brasswatchman 21:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
That doesn't make any sense, because if that were true, than it should apply to males who married too. Also if that law didn't exist than she wouldn't be able to run for office anyways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.62.52 ( talk) 10:10, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
Was she to marry within the Imperial Family, or is there more than one Imperial Family in Japan? This does not seem fair to me. We all are people of God, what right is it that some demand to be imperial to others. Like bush. Is she still allowed to go to family functions and holidays? I guess some people (her husband) are not allowed to move up in the world.
The sentence "These changes in her status are demanded by a 1947 law that requires female members of the Imperial Family to relinquish their birth position, official membership in the royal family, and allowance upon their marriage." makes it sound like any marriage would mean that the women would have to leave the Imperial Family. So just to make sure I understand this, is it because she married a "commoner" or is it because she simply married anyone that she has to leave the Family? Dismas| (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
The 1947 Imperial Household Law states that if a female member of the imperial family (a naishinnō or an nyoō) marries anyone other than the emperor or another male member of the imperial family, she will automatically lose her status as a member of the imperial family. The issue of princess marrying within the imperial family has not arisen since the 1947 law went into effect because the membership of the imperial family was effectively limited to the male line descendants of Emperor Taishō. Only two of that emperor's four sons, Emperor Shōwa and Prince Mikasa, had children and grandchildren. There simply is no pool of potential husbands among the current imperial family members (22 people).
Chapter III, Article 14 of the 1947 Constitution of Japan states, "Peers and peerage shall not be recognized." There are only two classes of Japanese recognized by this constitution: (1) the members of the imperial family, and (2) all other Japanese citizens. Therefore, even the descendants of the Meiji era kazuko (peerage) and the miyake (imperial collateral lines) are legally commoners. User: Jeff 07:25, 16 November 2005
Hooray! -Patrick Beverley
Someone vandalized the article again.
Should we remove Sayako from the Princesses category? As she is no longer a part of the imperial family (opinions not stated, just facts) and she is not longer a princess, she should be removed. Would appreciate any input. Prsgoddess187 01:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
That sounds like a good plan. I will take care of it. Thanks for the input. Prsgoddess187 13:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
She is known in Japanese as Kuroda Sayako, so shouldn't we respect that custom and name her article as that?
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Can somebody tell me what the hell this means?? This was put as the Japanese reading of her former title as an imperical princess. This is not Japanese but sound like Chinese or some other asian language... Lynnette 01:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I am sickened by those abusers leaving racial slurs in the place of current event articles. I don't know if it would be more help now to replace the replacement with a benign text or wait for some restoration of the original article, any hints?
I have understood that nori no miya sayako naishinnō denka's translation would be: Sayako, female prince (=princess) suo jure of princedom Nori. (As far as anything can be translated fully.) Am I correct in trusting that the abovesaid Japanese wording is in use of her in Japan? (or, why is it mentioned in the text??)
Based on this, my proposition for her article heading is
Sayako, Princess Nori
217.140.193.123 9 July 2005 10:53 (UTC)
"Sayako has quit her job as an ornithologist in order to focus on her family life and potential motherhood, a decision commonly encouraged in Japanese society due to its falling birth rate." Due to its falling birth rate?? Tradtional values maybe. If this is an official statement from Kuroda or the Imperial family please say so. Otherwise, get rid of "due to its falling birth rate".
What does it mean that she "left the Imperial Family"? - 130.232.65.174 16:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Is she still allowed contact with the Imperial Family, and perhaps attending the occasional Imperial event? -- Madchester 18:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Hm. If she has a son, will he be considered outside the royal line of succession? -- Brasswatchman 21:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
That doesn't make any sense, because if that were true, than it should apply to males who married too. Also if that law didn't exist than she wouldn't be able to run for office anyways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.62.52 ( talk) 10:10, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
Was she to marry within the Imperial Family, or is there more than one Imperial Family in Japan? This does not seem fair to me. We all are people of God, what right is it that some demand to be imperial to others. Like bush. Is she still allowed to go to family functions and holidays? I guess some people (her husband) are not allowed to move up in the world.
The sentence "These changes in her status are demanded by a 1947 law that requires female members of the Imperial Family to relinquish their birth position, official membership in the royal family, and allowance upon their marriage." makes it sound like any marriage would mean that the women would have to leave the Imperial Family. So just to make sure I understand this, is it because she married a "commoner" or is it because she simply married anyone that she has to leave the Family? Dismas| (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
The 1947 Imperial Household Law states that if a female member of the imperial family (a naishinnō or an nyoō) marries anyone other than the emperor or another male member of the imperial family, she will automatically lose her status as a member of the imperial family. The issue of princess marrying within the imperial family has not arisen since the 1947 law went into effect because the membership of the imperial family was effectively limited to the male line descendants of Emperor Taishō. Only two of that emperor's four sons, Emperor Shōwa and Prince Mikasa, had children and grandchildren. There simply is no pool of potential husbands among the current imperial family members (22 people).
Chapter III, Article 14 of the 1947 Constitution of Japan states, "Peers and peerage shall not be recognized." There are only two classes of Japanese recognized by this constitution: (1) the members of the imperial family, and (2) all other Japanese citizens. Therefore, even the descendants of the Meiji era kazuko (peerage) and the miyake (imperial collateral lines) are legally commoners. User: Jeff 07:25, 16 November 2005
Hooray! -Patrick Beverley
Someone vandalized the article again.
Should we remove Sayako from the Princesses category? As she is no longer a part of the imperial family (opinions not stated, just facts) and she is not longer a princess, she should be removed. Would appreciate any input. Prsgoddess187 01:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
That sounds like a good plan. I will take care of it. Thanks for the input. Prsgoddess187 13:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
She is known in Japanese as Kuroda Sayako, so shouldn't we respect that custom and name her article as that?