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Atomix330, thank you for your intention to improve this article and Wikipedia's coverage of Middle-earth topics. However, this matter has been discussed many times before both in the context of this article and on many others.
Basically, taxonomists have gleefully descended on Tolkien's rich fund of exotic-sounding names, and have applied them pretty much randomly to a large number of species; astronomers have done much the same for stars, planets, planetoids, moons, mountains and a lot else. So have lots of other people for other sorts of object.
The (enormous) List of things named after J. R. R. Tolkien and his works includes a (long) section on Taxonomy. There is sometimes a faint sort of link to the individual name (yeah, it's a ring-shaped eyespot so let's name it after the Eye of Sauron (gosh, original).
The Wikiproject decided long ago to make a single list of all of this (let's call it TYPE A naming), rather than cluttering up dozens of articles with "And astronomers have named abc after ...[1][2][3] and taxonomists have named def, ghi, and jkl after ... [4][5][6]" to no useful purpose.
VERY occasionally, someone closely connected to Tolkien's work has done some much more specific naming. A rare event of this kind (let's call it TYPE B) has occurred with Kirill Eskov, author of The Last Ringbearer (Sauron and the Orcs were good blokes, on the wrong side of history). Eskov is also a zoologist, and yes, he has named a Sauron spider. Now, that is what we can agree is a genuine connection.
The other names you have seen in the media (and yes, the fact that there are several really is a clue to their individual insignificance, even if each scientist thought they were being terribly original) are all of TYPE A, and we can freely add them to the List of things named after J. R. R. Tolkien and his works. They do not belong here in the Sauron article as they really don't have any organic connection to it. I do hope this is clear. I'll remove them from this article now; you can put them in the list article under Taxonomy if you have the energy and enthusiasm. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 15:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
I know that there are a particularly huge number of taxa named after the character Sauron, but I find it a bit unfortunate that the most emblematic animal named after him, Sauroniops, which is nevertheless a large imposing dinosaur of the Carcharodontosauridae family, is not mentioned on this page. So you wouldn't mind if I inserted a slight paragraph regarding its taxonomy? Amirani1746 ( talk) 18:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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Atomix330, thank you for your intention to improve this article and Wikipedia's coverage of Middle-earth topics. However, this matter has been discussed many times before both in the context of this article and on many others.
Basically, taxonomists have gleefully descended on Tolkien's rich fund of exotic-sounding names, and have applied them pretty much randomly to a large number of species; astronomers have done much the same for stars, planets, planetoids, moons, mountains and a lot else. So have lots of other people for other sorts of object.
The (enormous) List of things named after J. R. R. Tolkien and his works includes a (long) section on Taxonomy. There is sometimes a faint sort of link to the individual name (yeah, it's a ring-shaped eyespot so let's name it after the Eye of Sauron (gosh, original).
The Wikiproject decided long ago to make a single list of all of this (let's call it TYPE A naming), rather than cluttering up dozens of articles with "And astronomers have named abc after ...[1][2][3] and taxonomists have named def, ghi, and jkl after ... [4][5][6]" to no useful purpose.
VERY occasionally, someone closely connected to Tolkien's work has done some much more specific naming. A rare event of this kind (let's call it TYPE B) has occurred with Kirill Eskov, author of The Last Ringbearer (Sauron and the Orcs were good blokes, on the wrong side of history). Eskov is also a zoologist, and yes, he has named a Sauron spider. Now, that is what we can agree is a genuine connection.
The other names you have seen in the media (and yes, the fact that there are several really is a clue to their individual insignificance, even if each scientist thought they were being terribly original) are all of TYPE A, and we can freely add them to the List of things named after J. R. R. Tolkien and his works. They do not belong here in the Sauron article as they really don't have any organic connection to it. I do hope this is clear. I'll remove them from this article now; you can put them in the list article under Taxonomy if you have the energy and enthusiasm. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 15:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
I know that there are a particularly huge number of taxa named after the character Sauron, but I find it a bit unfortunate that the most emblematic animal named after him, Sauroniops, which is nevertheless a large imposing dinosaur of the Carcharodontosauridae family, is not mentioned on this page. So you wouldn't mind if I inserted a slight paragraph regarding its taxonomy? Amirani1746 ( talk) 18:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)