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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to any Indonesian-speaking editors. I have invited those in the Category:User id-N who have a minimum of 1,000 edits across all Wikimedia projects. While this is a substantial number of Indonesian-speaking editors, I am hoping that at least a couple of you can help in this effort.
We recently had a drawn-out discussion at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Azhari with no consensus. As the closing administrator,
Vanamonde noted What a mess. ... The walls of text are long enough to scare most fresh eyes away
.
I believe it became evident that as most in that discussion do not speak or read Indonesian, that we we incapable of evaluating the subject's notability. Although many of you User id-N editors edit a lot in English Wikipedia, I would ask those who have not edited extensively at enwiki to review the WP:Notability (people) guidelines, as they may differ from your home Wikipedia.
Not only are we non-Indonesian-speaking editors handicapped in evaluating Indonesian sources, we also have difficulty in finding them. Help!
I think I speak for most editors in proactively thanking you for your input about whether Indonesian language sources establish Azhari's notability or not. Peaceray ( talk) 20:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
In Indonesia we have what we called "Dewan Pers". Basically it is a council to determine the legitimacy of press offices running on the country. And here is what I found: Fimela, Grid, Correcto, and Kapanlagi arent listed in Dewan Pers. Era.id is somewhat listed though I havent ever heard of it. Tribunnewswiki is most likely a user generated content site. Other than that, the actress actually exists, though in my opinion the acting skill is somewhat mediocre and is only famous because of the bombshell nature of her. Hysocc ( talk) 04:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Alright, as a formerly active id-N editor I've been mulling on this case for quite a period since this issue has been recurring on in the Indonesian Wikipedia social hub. I was actually in favor of deleting (but forget to vote) due to the whoever-is-behind-this's battleground attitude (whoever-is-behind-this DMed me regarding this article) but have since then leaning to support keeping the article due to whoever-is-behind-this's more and more convincing arguments (and a bit due to Jéské Couriano's snide remarks). Since Ajam has listed both Kompas and Detik's sources, I'll offer an insight into Kompas and Tempo sources, a much more trustworthy source, since both have existed since the Suharto era and have been banned a few times due to their impartiality.
--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:10, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I see that Jeromi Mikhael placed File:Sarah Azhari VOA Interview 2018.jpg into the infobox. This is from a Voice of America (VOA) Indonesia interview:
There seems to be no transcript available, although there was a link to https://www.voaindonesia.com/a/4343019.html. Perhaps someone who speaks Indonesian can listen to it & decide if there is anything relevant that could be included. VOA would certainly be considered a reliable source. Peaceray ( talk) 17:59, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a Liputan6 Bio infomation [1] that states: Sarah Azhari is a model from Indonesia. The woman who was born on June 16, 1978 is the partner of Pedro Carrascalao. Unlike her sister, (Ayu) who starred a lot, Sarah is more often involved in the modeling world." The article also mentions she started her career as an actress starring in Leaf On A Pillow, (even though it seems to be incomplete since she played both leading roles and starring roles in some productions such as sinetrons and theatrical releases which were of both notoriety and bordeline notoriety). We can't really compare her acting career to the acting career of her sister Ayu and the one of Christine Hakim (both SENIOR ACTRESSES) just like we can't compare the modeling career of Scarlett Johansson to the one of Jaime King. Sarah is prevalently a model with the addition of being a pretty notable actress (and singer). Amoeba69th ( talk) 00:41, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Agree with SunDawn here, she will pass GNG easily. We just need to choose the proper source as Indonesian online media nowadays just write garbage class articles (especially regarding celebrities). I glanced a bit at the links Akmaie Ajam and -sorry, no offense- all of them just not fit for references despite coming from a reputable media. I'd love to help to check any Indonesian articles regarding her but currently I just don't have time for that and to be honest I do not really care that much about her. Griff88 ( talk) 06:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 26 January 2022. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
![]() | This page was proposed for deletion by Dan arndt ( talk · contribs) on 26 January 2022. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to any Indonesian-speaking editors. I have invited those in the Category:User id-N who have a minimum of 1,000 edits across all Wikimedia projects. While this is a substantial number of Indonesian-speaking editors, I am hoping that at least a couple of you can help in this effort.
We recently had a drawn-out discussion at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Azhari with no consensus. As the closing administrator,
Vanamonde noted What a mess. ... The walls of text are long enough to scare most fresh eyes away
.
I believe it became evident that as most in that discussion do not speak or read Indonesian, that we we incapable of evaluating the subject's notability. Although many of you User id-N editors edit a lot in English Wikipedia, I would ask those who have not edited extensively at enwiki to review the WP:Notability (people) guidelines, as they may differ from your home Wikipedia.
Not only are we non-Indonesian-speaking editors handicapped in evaluating Indonesian sources, we also have difficulty in finding them. Help!
I think I speak for most editors in proactively thanking you for your input about whether Indonesian language sources establish Azhari's notability or not. Peaceray ( talk) 20:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
In Indonesia we have what we called "Dewan Pers". Basically it is a council to determine the legitimacy of press offices running on the country. And here is what I found: Fimela, Grid, Correcto, and Kapanlagi arent listed in Dewan Pers. Era.id is somewhat listed though I havent ever heard of it. Tribunnewswiki is most likely a user generated content site. Other than that, the actress actually exists, though in my opinion the acting skill is somewhat mediocre and is only famous because of the bombshell nature of her. Hysocc ( talk) 04:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Alright, as a formerly active id-N editor I've been mulling on this case for quite a period since this issue has been recurring on in the Indonesian Wikipedia social hub. I was actually in favor of deleting (but forget to vote) due to the whoever-is-behind-this's battleground attitude (whoever-is-behind-this DMed me regarding this article) but have since then leaning to support keeping the article due to whoever-is-behind-this's more and more convincing arguments (and a bit due to Jéské Couriano's snide remarks). Since Ajam has listed both Kompas and Detik's sources, I'll offer an insight into Kompas and Tempo sources, a much more trustworthy source, since both have existed since the Suharto era and have been banned a few times due to their impartiality.
--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:10, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I see that Jeromi Mikhael placed File:Sarah Azhari VOA Interview 2018.jpg into the infobox. This is from a Voice of America (VOA) Indonesia interview:
There seems to be no transcript available, although there was a link to https://www.voaindonesia.com/a/4343019.html. Perhaps someone who speaks Indonesian can listen to it & decide if there is anything relevant that could be included. VOA would certainly be considered a reliable source. Peaceray ( talk) 17:59, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a Liputan6 Bio infomation [1] that states: Sarah Azhari is a model from Indonesia. The woman who was born on June 16, 1978 is the partner of Pedro Carrascalao. Unlike her sister, (Ayu) who starred a lot, Sarah is more often involved in the modeling world." The article also mentions she started her career as an actress starring in Leaf On A Pillow, (even though it seems to be incomplete since she played both leading roles and starring roles in some productions such as sinetrons and theatrical releases which were of both notoriety and bordeline notoriety). We can't really compare her acting career to the acting career of her sister Ayu and the one of Christine Hakim (both SENIOR ACTRESSES) just like we can't compare the modeling career of Scarlett Johansson to the one of Jaime King. Sarah is prevalently a model with the addition of being a pretty notable actress (and singer). Amoeba69th ( talk) 00:41, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Agree with SunDawn here, she will pass GNG easily. We just need to choose the proper source as Indonesian online media nowadays just write garbage class articles (especially regarding celebrities). I glanced a bit at the links Akmaie Ajam and -sorry, no offense- all of them just not fit for references despite coming from a reputable media. I'd love to help to check any Indonesian articles regarding her but currently I just don't have time for that and to be honest I do not really care that much about her. Griff88 ( talk) 06:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)