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This must also have a meaning of students at the Pesantren, as it is mentioned there and is the definition given in the Indonesian article. Can somebody add a characterization of the relationship, preferably with sources? Rigadoun (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The meaning and use of the term santri is disputed among scholar. Geertz (1960) established the trichotomy of santri, abangan, and priyayi. It became paradigmatic until the works of Robert Hefner (1990) and Mark Woodward (1989). The very exsitence of the three categories at the time of Geertz' research is disputed. Less disputed is the fact that they have little meaning today.
Today Santri means primiariliy a student at a pesantren and by extension applies to the kinds of people who have studied as such instituions. While at the time of Geertz's research it was the case that many Muhammadiyyah people have pesantren backgrounds, today they do not. So while Geertz could talk about modernist Santri and traditionalist santri, today only the latter exist and are more commonly called by themselve and others orang pesantren or pesantren people.
Because the opening chapter of my book Lukens-Bull (2005) addresses this controversy, it may not be appropriate for me to update this stub. However, I think I have laid out the issues and the relevant sourcdes. Let me know if you need full bibliogrpahic data. Dr. Lukens-Bull 18:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Frist it is useful to note that these terms are glosses of the Arabic derived terms 'khalafiya and salafiyya respectively. It is also interesting to note that in other parts of the Islamic world and the Arabic world, specifically, what counts as tradition is different and so the term salafiyya points to a different set of beliefs and practices that it does in Indonesia. In Indonesian, traditonal refers to the classical or medieval practices of Islam. In the Middle East, it means the traditon of the Prophet and its based on Quran and Hadith alone. So, in the Middle East the people called Traditionalists (Salafiya) believe and practice like Indonesian Modernists (Khalifiya). For these reason, I reject their use and prefer Reformists and Classicalists. Reformist is a common alternative label in the literature. Classsicalist is my neologism and can be found in the opening chapter of my book, pages 14-17 specifically. (Again, why I cannot write these pieces, just point out the debates -- I am part of them) Dr. Lukens-Bull 17:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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This must also have a meaning of students at the Pesantren, as it is mentioned there and is the definition given in the Indonesian article. Can somebody add a characterization of the relationship, preferably with sources? Rigadoun (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The meaning and use of the term santri is disputed among scholar. Geertz (1960) established the trichotomy of santri, abangan, and priyayi. It became paradigmatic until the works of Robert Hefner (1990) and Mark Woodward (1989). The very exsitence of the three categories at the time of Geertz' research is disputed. Less disputed is the fact that they have little meaning today.
Today Santri means primiariliy a student at a pesantren and by extension applies to the kinds of people who have studied as such instituions. While at the time of Geertz's research it was the case that many Muhammadiyyah people have pesantren backgrounds, today they do not. So while Geertz could talk about modernist Santri and traditionalist santri, today only the latter exist and are more commonly called by themselve and others orang pesantren or pesantren people.
Because the opening chapter of my book Lukens-Bull (2005) addresses this controversy, it may not be appropriate for me to update this stub. However, I think I have laid out the issues and the relevant sourcdes. Let me know if you need full bibliogrpahic data. Dr. Lukens-Bull 18:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Frist it is useful to note that these terms are glosses of the Arabic derived terms 'khalafiya and salafiyya respectively. It is also interesting to note that in other parts of the Islamic world and the Arabic world, specifically, what counts as tradition is different and so the term salafiyya points to a different set of beliefs and practices that it does in Indonesia. In Indonesian, traditonal refers to the classical or medieval practices of Islam. In the Middle East, it means the traditon of the Prophet and its based on Quran and Hadith alone. So, in the Middle East the people called Traditionalists (Salafiya) believe and practice like Indonesian Modernists (Khalifiya). For these reason, I reject their use and prefer Reformists and Classicalists. Reformist is a common alternative label in the literature. Classsicalist is my neologism and can be found in the opening chapter of my book, pages 14-17 specifically. (Again, why I cannot write these pieces, just point out the debates -- I am part of them) Dr. Lukens-Bull 17:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)