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The result was: promoted by SL93 ( talk)  23:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC) reply

• ... that some of Sangatsu no Phantasia's songs were based on novels written by its vocalist Mia? Source: [1], [2]
  • ALT1: ... that Mia, the vocalist of the anime music unit Sangatsu no Phantasia, is also a published novelist? Source: Same sources as ALT0, [3]; note that the Gentosha link is currently not in the article, but can be added if needed.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Coat of arms of the Football Association
• Comment: The sources for ALT0 don't explicitly say that the songs are based on the novels, but rather the songs and novels were written together as a mixed project, so if needed, suggestions on revising ALT0 are also appreciated.

Created by Narutolovehinata5 ( talk). Self-nominated at 00:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC). reply

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - The music label which they are signed to is unsourced. If possible, I believe a source should be added.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Overall: @ Narutolovehinata5: Overall, this is a nice article. No plagiarism issues, long enough, new enough, and generally well-sourced. I like your hooks too, at least I myself find that interesting. If it matters, I prefer the more consice wording of the first hook. Admittedly, this is my first DYK review, so apologies if I did anything wrong. Anyway, just address my one concern and I will happily promote this. Link20XX ( talk) 17:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the review. However, DYK rules generally forbid reviewers from promoting nominations that they have reviewed, so the promotion will have to be done by another editor. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 00:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Yes, I realize that; pass probably would have been a better word choice, since that is what I meant. Anyway, just add a ref for that I will gladly pass it. Link20XX ( talk) 01:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC) reply

 Done Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 02:07, 23 December 2021 (UTC) reply

All good from me. Link20XX ( talk) 04:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Narutolovehinata5: ALT0 seems like WP:SYNTH to me, then—and I don't think ALT1 quite cuts it. Is there another ALT we can use? theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/she) 02:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Theleekycauldron: I can understand the issues with ALT0, but I'm not really sure what's the issue with ALT1: is the hook fact not interesting, or is the citing not strong enough? Because the sources do state that she has written novels. A possible alternate ALT could be how their songs inspired some novels, but I'm not really sure if you'd be okay with that hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 02:32, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

If I may add in my thoughts, I don't see any major problems with either (I admit I'm new to DYK reviewing so I apologize if I did something wrong). But I do have a limited understanding of Japanese, and I can confirm the source does confirm the hook. As someone who has little knowledge of music, I also find this interesting though that may be just me. Link20XX ( talk) 16:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

• @ Theleekycauldron: Is it okay if you respond to the new comments? Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 00:29, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ Narutolovehinata5: sorry, I've been suuper backlogged with pings—i had to start putting sticky notes on my corkboard of people i need to get back to. So, yeah, I'd say that ALT0 probably doesn't pass policy muster and that ALT1 doesn't strike me as super grabby to a broad audience. Back to the drawing board? theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/she) 00:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
    • @ Theleekycauldron: I see. A singer also being a novelist isn't an interesting hook? I thought such a case was unusual. I'll try to think of alternative hook facts, but in the meantime, here's some possible ALTs:
      • ALT2 ... that some of Japanese music unit Sangatsu no Phantasia's songs have been adapted into novels?
      • ALT2a ... that some of Japanese music unit Sangatsu no Phantasia's songs inspired novels?
      • ALT3 ... that some of Japanese music unit Sangatsu no Phantasia's songs were adapted into novels written by its lead vocalist?
    • Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 01:02, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
      • @ Narutolovehinata5: It is unusual, but I don't think one person occupying two arts positions is super hooky if they aren't recognized extensively in at least one of the fields. As for the ALTs, they weren't adapted or inspired, were they? they were just created at the same time, according to the nominator. Wouldn't those be the same problem as ALT0? theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/she) 04:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
      • I'm kind of lost how to address these hooks without suggesting a totally new hook fact. There's one where a hook could be about how the vocalist didn't show her face in pictures, but that's contradicted by how recently she's started appearing personally in publicity photos too, and I think it would be synthesis to state that she "previously" hid her face. I wonder if we could get a second opinion from another editor to see what can be done about the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 05:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
        • I'll put a flag up at WT:DYK, then. theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/she) 01:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC) reply
• Since this has been stuck for a while I'm requesting a second opinion on the hooks as well as possible input on new hook facts or wordings. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 02:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • This is a tricky one, I'm suggesting ALT2b as an alternative hook @ Narutolovehinata5:@ Theleekycauldron::
    • ALT2b ... that some of Japanese music unit Sangatsu no Phantasia's songs were also written in novel form by its lead vocalist?
  • that one I like, if NLH5 is on board :) Also, BuySomeApples, you can ping multiple people with one ping template, like this: {{ping|Narutolovehinata5|theleekycauldron}} (and I appreciate your attempting to decapitalize my name :D) theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/she) 00:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC) reply