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The book Deconstructing Sammy by journalist Matt Birkbeck, states that in the late 1960s "Sammy found solace in drugs, particularly cocaine and amyl nitrate, and experimented briefly with Satanism and pornography". [1] In his autobiography, "Why Me?: The Sammy Davis, Jr. Story" and the 2000 update Sammy: The Autobiography of Sammy Davis, Jr. he mentions his cocaine addiction. A search of Google News finds many news articles for Davis and cocaine/drugs. Why has his cocaine addiction been left out of the Wikipedia page? Davis admitted himself he took cocaine. Yet another example of Wikipedia NOT being accurate. And his Satanism is mentioned in the book Deconstructing Sammy. newtaste —Preceding undated comment added 09:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC).
On this "satanism" matter, this was a common thing in 1960s Hollywood. Satanists came "out of the closet" in 1968A.D. with the Supreme Court ruling that it was religion to be respected and protected under the law. Also the Unite Nations Organization later recognized it, as well as the W.I.C.C.A. Church as a N.G.O. Many showbiz types have been involved since the inception of the movie industry. And besides, there was also Aleister Crowley's "Order of the Golden Dawn" cult, which many describe as Satanic, and was a founding institution of Hollywood, as was Scientology, which also intersected with the former, as well as the Satanists was common, and explains a lot of what may to many seem unexplainable, especially in mysterious and bizzare crime cases. Mr. Davis' alleged participation was that of your typical Hollywood type; a fully-indulgent hedonist!!! --69.126.238.184 (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC)Veryverser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.72.13 ( talk)
the responses to the "alleged satanist" mention do nothing but demonstrate ignorance of the so called "church" of satan which he clearly had some run-ins with, which has little to do with worshipping satan and much more to do with mockery and the prostitution of attention. Moreover, certain so-called Satanic groups most definitely had established contact with the man and continue to claim him as one of their own, regardless of the actual personal beliefs of the man. -- Diablorex ( talk) 02:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The subpage Cultural depictions of Sammy Davis, Jr. has been nominated for deletion. John Vandenberg 12:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Sammy here is listed on the List of Satanists page. The talk page has a citation, but I can't really confirm it. Googling gave me quite a lot of hits, but I really couldn't tell if any of them stretched beyond the conspiracy theorists that pervade the internet. Anyone know anything about this? I was hoping snopes.com would help, but they haven't addressed it. I guess it's at least a confirmed rumor, and he's an "alleged" Satanist anyway, which is not the same thing. I'd like to hear from other people (and not just "I like Sammy, he's great, he can't be a Satanist", but something a bit more substantial). - R. fiend 14:28, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
LEGEND: Anton LaVey was a close friend of Sammy Davis, Jr. and inducted him into the Church of Satan.
After reading all the discussion on Davis being an alleged satanist, I don't see any sources that could be considered definitive or even all that credible, which could justify including this rumor, especially when it could be considered financially harmful to his estate, and therefore possibly actionable, to include this rumor. I'll have this page on my watchlist, and if someone reverts my deletion, I'll forward the link to this article to Davis's estate, and see if they want to take this up with Wikipedia administration. I don't mean that as a threat, I really think it is the best way to resolve the issue, if people think it is THAT important to mention this rumor. Mmyers1976 ( talk) 20:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
"Libel is a false or malicious unprivileged publication by writing, printing, picture, or effigy or other fixed representation to the eye, which exposes any person to public hatred, contempt, ridicule or obloquy, or which tends to deprive him of public confidence, or to injure him in his occupation, or any malicious publication as aforesaid, designed to blacken or vilify the memory of one who is dead, [683 P.2d 1349] and tending to scandalize his surviving relatives or friends. BOTTOM LINE - I'm not a law expert, so I don't know if Davis's estate has any grounds in suing over the satanism allegation - but my letting people know that I intend to share with the estate the presence of the allegation on Wikipedia is not a threat, does not violate wikipedia policy, and though you may disagree with it, no one can prevent me from doing so. Mmyers1976 ( talk) 16:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
To expand on what Baseball Bugs has said... you are absolutely correct that the information was poorly sourced and controversial, and needed to be removed. However, the preferred way of rectifying this problem is not through legal threats (see WP:LEGAL), but rather by consensus and editing. Legal threats are poisonous to the atmosphere of cooperation and collaboration that defines Wikipedia.
You also seem to be under the misunderstanding that the folks you are speaking to "own" Wikipedia or something. We don't. So pointing out to us that various organizations have at times considered suing Wikipedia doesn't really have a point. First of all, we know. Second of all, that's not us being sued, so I'm not sure what your point is. Lastly, and most importantly, we are already doing what we can -- we remove libelous and inaccurate statements when we find them, just as Baseball Bugs did once you pointed out the problem regarding Sammy Davis Jr. and false rumors of Satanism. Do you have a different suggestion other than just removing the statement???
Anyway, consider this a warning. In the future, please do not make legal threats on Wikipedia under any circumstances. If there really is a legal issue that needs attention, there are other channels for this other than commenting in Talk pages. In this case, there was no need to go to those channels, because all you had to do was remove the content. Thanks, and happy wiki-ing. -- Jaysweet ( talk) 15:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Jimmy Wales: "There's a sort of typical pattern where I've seen this happen over and over and over. Somebody, they go to an article and they see something they don't like in it so they blank the article. Right. So somebody warns them, and then they blank again and they get blocked. Right. Then they make a legal threat and they really get blocked. And it's just like a totally bad experience for that person, when in fact, they may have been right in the first place. Or maybe they weren't right. maybe they just didn't like what we wrote about them, but still, we didn't handle it well ... And the few people who are still sort of in the old days, saying, "Well, you know, it's a wiki, why don't we just... ", yeah, they're sort of falling by the wayside, because lots of people are saying actually, we have a really serious responsibility to get things right." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_overlook_legal_threats —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.156.226 ( talk) 16:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Upon further reflection, my mistake was thinking that I was being courteous in letting people know that I might alert Davis' estate, so that they would know beforehand. Apparently this is not appreciated, so if a similar situation arises in the future, I will not post on Wikipedia my intent to inform the entity of the possibly defamatory information, nor will I post on Wikipedia that I have done so after the fact. I will just go ahead and inform the entity. Mmyers1976 ( talk) 19:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Citations needed on extra statements concerning religious. No original research on religious views allowed. AceLT ( talk · contribs) 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove the links to Davis' Jewishness. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/sammydavis.html Rklawton 04:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, numerous actors and public figures poked fun at Sammy for converting, as well as many derisive statements and denunciations. The most well-known of these pundits was his pals Frank, Dean, Peter, Phyllis(Diller), and most scurillious of them all, Joey Bishop, who not only made fun of Sammy adopted religion and mocked him for being both black and an M.O.T.( Bishop, himself a Jew,) but also used it as a well-known technique on stage to deflect attention from his (Bishops')weak performance, as he was indeed a ad-on to the power-house trio of all-aroound, multi-faceted actors\singers\song-writers\comedians. -- 69.126.238.184 ( talk) 05:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)Veryverser
Sammy Davis Jr., was of Puerto Rican descent as stated by himself. Just because one person claims differently doesn't mean a thing. Here are three of the dozens of reliable sites which back up his own Puerto Rican claim. Bio of Elvira Sanchez in IMDb, Sammy Davis Jr. and Tribute to Sammy Davis Jr. . Tony the Marine 21:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Two census records show that the family was Cuban - with daughter Elvera Sanchez (Davis) born in New York.
Denise Oliver-Velez ( talk · contribs) 21:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe his famous scene on the sitcom All in the Family should be mentioned? 67.182.22.63 00:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Impressionist???? 81.9.152.240 ( talk · contribs) 15:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
What about his glass eye? Its been discused in pop culture numerous times. 71.70.171.247 ( talk) 22:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)AME
I want to add the great role he had in an episode of The Wild, Wild West, with Robert Conrad. He played a stable hand with a psychic ability to communicate with horses, and make them stampede. it was excellent! By Starvester, 10-30-2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starvester ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe there is a missing television credit. In the late fifties or early sixties, Sammy Davis, Jr. had a role in a television show about soldiers in basic training. Sammy's role was that of a young and mentally slow recruit that was ridiculed and taunted by other soldiers. The other soldiers decided to play a practical joke with a "dud" grenade. To their surprise, Sammy's character throws himself on the grenade to save his comrades. Does anyone else remember this outstanding performance? John Royall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.68.100 ( talk) 15:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I remember the movie and would like to find out the movie name so I can get a copy and see it again. As I remember, it was a good movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.196.241.226 ( talk) 07:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I saw him last night in an episode of "Charle's Angels" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.241.109 ( talk) 22:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
After describing his early career, it mentions that he joined the Rat Pack, started by his "old friend" Frank Sinatra. This doesn't seem like the right way to introduce Sinatra. The article should first mention something about where they met and became friends. I'd add it myself, but I have no idea how they met. -- MiguelMunoz ( talk) 08:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Davis met Sinatra for the first time in the late 1940's, while Davis (still with the Will Mastin Trio) opened for Frank Sinatra at the Capitol Theatre in New York. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 15:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC).
I'm wondering if the fact that Sammy sang the theme song from Baretta ("Keep Your Eye On The Sparrow") is worth putting in the article, and if so, where? Joe JJC ( talk) 22:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I recently read this article and I found it to be somewhat repetitive. (For instance, the controversial nature of Davis' second marriage.) I also feel that the article should be organized so that the events of Davis' life flow in chronological order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebonyellis ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone ever found information regarding how Sammy's sponsorship of this golf tournament in Connecticut came about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.183.229.46 ( talk) 13:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The years seem messed up. Danthecan ( talk) 07:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
In the Roy Wilkins article here on Wikipedia, the other man in the picture is identified as a reporter, not Walter Reuther who was head of the United Auto Workers. Indeed, the third man in this picture is holding a microphone.
Another picture from this event, on the Walter Reuther page, which may or may not have been taken on the same day, shows Reuther wearing the same kind of badge as Wilkins and also the "spread" of Reuther's shirt collar appears different.
I am leaning towards thinking that this third man is not Reuther but a newsman.
Any other thoughts? Satchmo Sings ( talk) 02:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The infobox should have a younger picture from the height of his popularity.-- Beware the Unknown ( talk) 06:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Near the top: "he lost his left eye in an automobile accident" ... further down: "Davis lost his right eye as a result" So... which is it? 12.165.139.33 ( talk) 19:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
This article fails to mention that Davis, Jr. was nicknamed The Tap Dance Kid early in his career. He was considered a child prodigy. Also, there are numerous public mentions the he was at some point labeled as the 'greatest entertainer in the world' - prominently when he was part of the Rat Pack. This should be put in either the lede or somewhere in the Career section. Journalbug ( talk) 07:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
why in hell is there an Arthur Silber Jr. redirect to this page? The guy seems to have written a bio on the subject but is only in a bibliographical footnote. (full disclosure: i was wondering whether the "power of narrative" blogger had an entry.) 184.78.166.161 ( talk) 03:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
he had OD swag — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.146.158.187 ( talk) 17:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Garbage statement. "WE" are somewhat professional here. Why don't you make sense of the comment instead of just throwing it out there? Blondesareeasy ( talk)
I don't see any mention of sexual activity with or romantic interest in males, only females, so why is he categorised bisexual? -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 10:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Good point. I did read something somewhere to the effect, but if it's not validated, why bring it up? Blondesareeasy ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I'ved removed the Satanist silliness ultimately derived from an All About Jazz 2006 April Fools prank. No, he was not a Satanist, and sad to say he did not record a Satanist jazz album! The tiny kernel of truth in this was his role in the 1973 comedic TV movie Poor Devil, and apparently he was given a joke award from Anton LaVey's group as a result of that.-- Pharos ( talk) 16:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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Should mention that he made a number of appearances on "Laugh In". AnonMoos ( talk) 13:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 13:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
– Per new consensus at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Child_named_for_parent_or_predecessor, Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Comma_after_.22Jr..22.2C_.22Sr..22.2C_etc..3F, we omit commas around Jr. and Sr. rather than using one before and randomly one or none after. This is the first RM discussion reflecting this new consensus. Dicklyon ( talk) 17:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
I worked on Sammy Davis Jr. discography and found only 3 of his many albums using the comma on the album covers; it's possible I missed some, but they are uncommon for sure. I fixed many articles to do without the comma. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:54, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
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The lede states "He died in debt to the Internal Revenue Service, and his estate was the subject of legal battles." but (against WP:LEDE) there is nothing in the article about those various issues. Also, Ref #9 is a dead link. Shearonink ( talk) 06:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I've read on the Internet that Sammy Davis Jr., was, for a time, a member of the Church of Satan. Is there any truth to this, or is it balderdash? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.164.35 ( talk) 23:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
This phrase is redundant: "Jackson also performed Davis's wedding.[45]"
Suggest removing the above phrase and moving the footnote up to where the info is first given.
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The information in the article intro, in the Will Mastin Trio article, and in the section about his early career seem to be in conflict.
WRT the Will Mastin Trio & Sammy Davis Jr, the following seem to be true:
Nuanced, but the facts need to be sorted out. — ERcheck ( talk) 19:55, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Lots of interesting info and analysis from Malcolm Gladwell in his recent podcast. [10] Joel S Bateman ( talk) 17:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
References
"A BBC documentary in 2014 said "?
How can a documentary 'speak' ?
Please reference this source. It sounds like more of today's 'revisionist' history, jerry-built on hear-say, gossip, rumour, shaky recollection, and the sensationalist fantasies of a fame-greedy author.
Perhaps this sentence should read 'An interviewee in a 2014 BBC documentary claimed...' etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:B19E:D87B:5735:9FC2 ( talk) 21:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
This moment seems to have been a somewhat memorable moment in US politics. It would be good to explicitly add this:
As stated in the NYMag piece:
According to the Library of Congress, Davis claimed that “a widely publicized photo of the embrace infuriated members of the black press and also some of Nixon’s supporters, who were outraged to see a black man hug the president.”
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/03/infamous-famous-hugs-obama-bell-breitbart/slideshow/2/
CBS News: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4l67x5
https://timeline.com/sammy-davis-jr-supported-richard- nixon-308c949a8bfd
This was discussed here:
http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/26-the-hug-heard-round-the-world — Preceding
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Shouldn't there be something in here about is drug use (cocaine) and drinking? That could have led to his early demise.
In 1989, Sammy Davis Jr. introduced a brand of sauces/condiments starting with barbecue sauce, chili, and mustard. According to an article from the L.A. Times, it was to be introduced inearly to mid year in 1989 then go national in the fall. I foudn other references to folks who said they used enjoy buying his brand of barbecue sauce but couldn't find a lot else on his products. It would be a good idea to try and find how long the prodcuts where sold for. Where they discontunued when he died in early 1990 or did they outlive him for a time? There is also an interview of him on the The Arsenio Hall Show from 1989 talking about his soon to be launching food product line on Youtube. Assuming we can get more notable sources for thia, I do think it deserves a mention.The Arsenio Hall Show. (L.A. Article: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-02-22-fi-384-story.html ) -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 02:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
These products were introduced initially in the Cleveland, Ohio area. A businessman named James Price , a co-owner of Ideal Macaroni Co.and Weiss Noodles Co., developed the products in conjunction with Sammy Davis Jr. James Price did all of the marketing and distribution. I left Ideal Macaroni in late 1990/early 1991 so I don't know what happened subsequently. Price sold Ideal Macaroni to a large pasta conglomerate in the 1990's.
Daniel Pierce danielpierce418@gmail.com 192.152.152.187 ( talk) 19:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
see edit hostory Peace is contagious ( talk) 16:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
this Nampa dc keeps reverting valid info & is confused about a civil rights march being policial activism & not part of Davis' career !!! WTF Peace is contagious ( talk) 07:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
{ { ping | Happy-melo } } hi there seems to be a contentious issue, needing admin resolution. Peace is contagious ( talk) 23:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
{ { ping | Happy-melon } } hi there seems to be a contentious issue, needing admin resolution. Peace is contagious ( talk) 23:11, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Plz be specific, this is obviously a moot point as u r incompetent Peace is contagious ( talk) 09:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Petty, very petty... Feel free to fix any typos or spelling...that's sorta the jist of wikipedia, no ? Thanx for yer didactic, erudite & circumspect efforts reguarding which images are necessary ! Davis was primarily an entertainer, why Mr. Nampa DC wants a pic of a civil rights march under career, which seems to have sparked this contentious wiki-dialectic, rather than political beliefs, is beyond me... Peace is contagious ( talk) 13:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that he was a fine player of the jazz drums, and also played jazz vibraphone? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
As he wrote books as well (Yes I Can, Why Me), should we in the first sentence mention him being an author as well. I added that, but got deleted. Ivo Goedhart ( talk) 20:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
His first book was very well sold though Ivo Goedhart ( talk) 20:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I think the caption under the Rat Pack picture may be incorrect. I think this picture was taken in front of the Sands casino in Las Vegas, not the Cal-Neva casino which is (or was) actually near Lake Tahoe. Bunkyray5 ( talk) 02:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
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The book Deconstructing Sammy by journalist Matt Birkbeck, states that in the late 1960s "Sammy found solace in drugs, particularly cocaine and amyl nitrate, and experimented briefly with Satanism and pornography". [1] In his autobiography, "Why Me?: The Sammy Davis, Jr. Story" and the 2000 update Sammy: The Autobiography of Sammy Davis, Jr. he mentions his cocaine addiction. A search of Google News finds many news articles for Davis and cocaine/drugs. Why has his cocaine addiction been left out of the Wikipedia page? Davis admitted himself he took cocaine. Yet another example of Wikipedia NOT being accurate. And his Satanism is mentioned in the book Deconstructing Sammy. newtaste —Preceding undated comment added 09:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC).
On this "satanism" matter, this was a common thing in 1960s Hollywood. Satanists came "out of the closet" in 1968A.D. with the Supreme Court ruling that it was religion to be respected and protected under the law. Also the Unite Nations Organization later recognized it, as well as the W.I.C.C.A. Church as a N.G.O. Many showbiz types have been involved since the inception of the movie industry. And besides, there was also Aleister Crowley's "Order of the Golden Dawn" cult, which many describe as Satanic, and was a founding institution of Hollywood, as was Scientology, which also intersected with the former, as well as the Satanists was common, and explains a lot of what may to many seem unexplainable, especially in mysterious and bizzare crime cases. Mr. Davis' alleged participation was that of your typical Hollywood type; a fully-indulgent hedonist!!! --69.126.238.184 (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC)Veryverser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.72.13 ( talk)
the responses to the "alleged satanist" mention do nothing but demonstrate ignorance of the so called "church" of satan which he clearly had some run-ins with, which has little to do with worshipping satan and much more to do with mockery and the prostitution of attention. Moreover, certain so-called Satanic groups most definitely had established contact with the man and continue to claim him as one of their own, regardless of the actual personal beliefs of the man. -- Diablorex ( talk) 02:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The subpage Cultural depictions of Sammy Davis, Jr. has been nominated for deletion. John Vandenberg 12:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Sammy here is listed on the List of Satanists page. The talk page has a citation, but I can't really confirm it. Googling gave me quite a lot of hits, but I really couldn't tell if any of them stretched beyond the conspiracy theorists that pervade the internet. Anyone know anything about this? I was hoping snopes.com would help, but they haven't addressed it. I guess it's at least a confirmed rumor, and he's an "alleged" Satanist anyway, which is not the same thing. I'd like to hear from other people (and not just "I like Sammy, he's great, he can't be a Satanist", but something a bit more substantial). - R. fiend 14:28, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
LEGEND: Anton LaVey was a close friend of Sammy Davis, Jr. and inducted him into the Church of Satan.
After reading all the discussion on Davis being an alleged satanist, I don't see any sources that could be considered definitive or even all that credible, which could justify including this rumor, especially when it could be considered financially harmful to his estate, and therefore possibly actionable, to include this rumor. I'll have this page on my watchlist, and if someone reverts my deletion, I'll forward the link to this article to Davis's estate, and see if they want to take this up with Wikipedia administration. I don't mean that as a threat, I really think it is the best way to resolve the issue, if people think it is THAT important to mention this rumor. Mmyers1976 ( talk) 20:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
"Libel is a false or malicious unprivileged publication by writing, printing, picture, or effigy or other fixed representation to the eye, which exposes any person to public hatred, contempt, ridicule or obloquy, or which tends to deprive him of public confidence, or to injure him in his occupation, or any malicious publication as aforesaid, designed to blacken or vilify the memory of one who is dead, [683 P.2d 1349] and tending to scandalize his surviving relatives or friends. BOTTOM LINE - I'm not a law expert, so I don't know if Davis's estate has any grounds in suing over the satanism allegation - but my letting people know that I intend to share with the estate the presence of the allegation on Wikipedia is not a threat, does not violate wikipedia policy, and though you may disagree with it, no one can prevent me from doing so. Mmyers1976 ( talk) 16:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
To expand on what Baseball Bugs has said... you are absolutely correct that the information was poorly sourced and controversial, and needed to be removed. However, the preferred way of rectifying this problem is not through legal threats (see WP:LEGAL), but rather by consensus and editing. Legal threats are poisonous to the atmosphere of cooperation and collaboration that defines Wikipedia.
You also seem to be under the misunderstanding that the folks you are speaking to "own" Wikipedia or something. We don't. So pointing out to us that various organizations have at times considered suing Wikipedia doesn't really have a point. First of all, we know. Second of all, that's not us being sued, so I'm not sure what your point is. Lastly, and most importantly, we are already doing what we can -- we remove libelous and inaccurate statements when we find them, just as Baseball Bugs did once you pointed out the problem regarding Sammy Davis Jr. and false rumors of Satanism. Do you have a different suggestion other than just removing the statement???
Anyway, consider this a warning. In the future, please do not make legal threats on Wikipedia under any circumstances. If there really is a legal issue that needs attention, there are other channels for this other than commenting in Talk pages. In this case, there was no need to go to those channels, because all you had to do was remove the content. Thanks, and happy wiki-ing. -- Jaysweet ( talk) 15:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Jimmy Wales: "There's a sort of typical pattern where I've seen this happen over and over and over. Somebody, they go to an article and they see something they don't like in it so they blank the article. Right. So somebody warns them, and then they blank again and they get blocked. Right. Then they make a legal threat and they really get blocked. And it's just like a totally bad experience for that person, when in fact, they may have been right in the first place. Or maybe they weren't right. maybe they just didn't like what we wrote about them, but still, we didn't handle it well ... And the few people who are still sort of in the old days, saying, "Well, you know, it's a wiki, why don't we just... ", yeah, they're sort of falling by the wayside, because lots of people are saying actually, we have a really serious responsibility to get things right." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_overlook_legal_threats —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.156.226 ( talk) 16:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Upon further reflection, my mistake was thinking that I was being courteous in letting people know that I might alert Davis' estate, so that they would know beforehand. Apparently this is not appreciated, so if a similar situation arises in the future, I will not post on Wikipedia my intent to inform the entity of the possibly defamatory information, nor will I post on Wikipedia that I have done so after the fact. I will just go ahead and inform the entity. Mmyers1976 ( talk) 19:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Citations needed on extra statements concerning religious. No original research on religious views allowed. AceLT ( talk · contribs) 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove the links to Davis' Jewishness. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/sammydavis.html Rklawton 04:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, numerous actors and public figures poked fun at Sammy for converting, as well as many derisive statements and denunciations. The most well-known of these pundits was his pals Frank, Dean, Peter, Phyllis(Diller), and most scurillious of them all, Joey Bishop, who not only made fun of Sammy adopted religion and mocked him for being both black and an M.O.T.( Bishop, himself a Jew,) but also used it as a well-known technique on stage to deflect attention from his (Bishops')weak performance, as he was indeed a ad-on to the power-house trio of all-aroound, multi-faceted actors\singers\song-writers\comedians. -- 69.126.238.184 ( talk) 05:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)Veryverser
Sammy Davis Jr., was of Puerto Rican descent as stated by himself. Just because one person claims differently doesn't mean a thing. Here are three of the dozens of reliable sites which back up his own Puerto Rican claim. Bio of Elvira Sanchez in IMDb, Sammy Davis Jr. and Tribute to Sammy Davis Jr. . Tony the Marine 21:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Two census records show that the family was Cuban - with daughter Elvera Sanchez (Davis) born in New York.
Denise Oliver-Velez ( talk · contribs) 21:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe his famous scene on the sitcom All in the Family should be mentioned? 67.182.22.63 00:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Impressionist???? 81.9.152.240 ( talk · contribs) 15:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
What about his glass eye? Its been discused in pop culture numerous times. 71.70.171.247 ( talk) 22:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)AME
I want to add the great role he had in an episode of The Wild, Wild West, with Robert Conrad. He played a stable hand with a psychic ability to communicate with horses, and make them stampede. it was excellent! By Starvester, 10-30-2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starvester ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe there is a missing television credit. In the late fifties or early sixties, Sammy Davis, Jr. had a role in a television show about soldiers in basic training. Sammy's role was that of a young and mentally slow recruit that was ridiculed and taunted by other soldiers. The other soldiers decided to play a practical joke with a "dud" grenade. To their surprise, Sammy's character throws himself on the grenade to save his comrades. Does anyone else remember this outstanding performance? John Royall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.68.100 ( talk) 15:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I remember the movie and would like to find out the movie name so I can get a copy and see it again. As I remember, it was a good movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.196.241.226 ( talk) 07:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I saw him last night in an episode of "Charle's Angels" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.241.109 ( talk) 22:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
After describing his early career, it mentions that he joined the Rat Pack, started by his "old friend" Frank Sinatra. This doesn't seem like the right way to introduce Sinatra. The article should first mention something about where they met and became friends. I'd add it myself, but I have no idea how they met. -- MiguelMunoz ( talk) 08:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Davis met Sinatra for the first time in the late 1940's, while Davis (still with the Will Mastin Trio) opened for Frank Sinatra at the Capitol Theatre in New York. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 15:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC).
I'm wondering if the fact that Sammy sang the theme song from Baretta ("Keep Your Eye On The Sparrow") is worth putting in the article, and if so, where? Joe JJC ( talk) 22:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I recently read this article and I found it to be somewhat repetitive. (For instance, the controversial nature of Davis' second marriage.) I also feel that the article should be organized so that the events of Davis' life flow in chronological order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebonyellis ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone ever found information regarding how Sammy's sponsorship of this golf tournament in Connecticut came about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.183.229.46 ( talk) 13:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The years seem messed up. Danthecan ( talk) 07:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
In the Roy Wilkins article here on Wikipedia, the other man in the picture is identified as a reporter, not Walter Reuther who was head of the United Auto Workers. Indeed, the third man in this picture is holding a microphone.
Another picture from this event, on the Walter Reuther page, which may or may not have been taken on the same day, shows Reuther wearing the same kind of badge as Wilkins and also the "spread" of Reuther's shirt collar appears different.
I am leaning towards thinking that this third man is not Reuther but a newsman.
Any other thoughts? Satchmo Sings ( talk) 02:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The infobox should have a younger picture from the height of his popularity.-- Beware the Unknown ( talk) 06:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Near the top: "he lost his left eye in an automobile accident" ... further down: "Davis lost his right eye as a result" So... which is it? 12.165.139.33 ( talk) 19:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
This article fails to mention that Davis, Jr. was nicknamed The Tap Dance Kid early in his career. He was considered a child prodigy. Also, there are numerous public mentions the he was at some point labeled as the 'greatest entertainer in the world' - prominently when he was part of the Rat Pack. This should be put in either the lede or somewhere in the Career section. Journalbug ( talk) 07:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
why in hell is there an Arthur Silber Jr. redirect to this page? The guy seems to have written a bio on the subject but is only in a bibliographical footnote. (full disclosure: i was wondering whether the "power of narrative" blogger had an entry.) 184.78.166.161 ( talk) 03:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
he had OD swag — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.146.158.187 ( talk) 17:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Garbage statement. "WE" are somewhat professional here. Why don't you make sense of the comment instead of just throwing it out there? Blondesareeasy ( talk)
I don't see any mention of sexual activity with or romantic interest in males, only females, so why is he categorised bisexual? -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 10:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Good point. I did read something somewhere to the effect, but if it's not validated, why bring it up? Blondesareeasy ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I'ved removed the Satanist silliness ultimately derived from an All About Jazz 2006 April Fools prank. No, he was not a Satanist, and sad to say he did not record a Satanist jazz album! The tiny kernel of truth in this was his role in the 1973 comedic TV movie Poor Devil, and apparently he was given a joke award from Anton LaVey's group as a result of that.-- Pharos ( talk) 16:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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Should mention that he made a number of appearances on "Laugh In". AnonMoos ( talk) 13:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 13:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
– Per new consensus at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Child_named_for_parent_or_predecessor, Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Comma_after_.22Jr..22.2C_.22Sr..22.2C_etc..3F, we omit commas around Jr. and Sr. rather than using one before and randomly one or none after. This is the first RM discussion reflecting this new consensus. Dicklyon ( talk) 17:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
I worked on Sammy Davis Jr. discography and found only 3 of his many albums using the comma on the album covers; it's possible I missed some, but they are uncommon for sure. I fixed many articles to do without the comma. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:54, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
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The lede states "He died in debt to the Internal Revenue Service, and his estate was the subject of legal battles." but (against WP:LEDE) there is nothing in the article about those various issues. Also, Ref #9 is a dead link. Shearonink ( talk) 06:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I've read on the Internet that Sammy Davis Jr., was, for a time, a member of the Church of Satan. Is there any truth to this, or is it balderdash? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.164.35 ( talk) 23:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
This phrase is redundant: "Jackson also performed Davis's wedding.[45]"
Suggest removing the above phrase and moving the footnote up to where the info is first given.
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The information in the article intro, in the Will Mastin Trio article, and in the section about his early career seem to be in conflict.
WRT the Will Mastin Trio & Sammy Davis Jr, the following seem to be true:
Nuanced, but the facts need to be sorted out. — ERcheck ( talk) 19:55, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Lots of interesting info and analysis from Malcolm Gladwell in his recent podcast. [10] Joel S Bateman ( talk) 17:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
References
"A BBC documentary in 2014 said "?
How can a documentary 'speak' ?
Please reference this source. It sounds like more of today's 'revisionist' history, jerry-built on hear-say, gossip, rumour, shaky recollection, and the sensationalist fantasies of a fame-greedy author.
Perhaps this sentence should read 'An interviewee in a 2014 BBC documentary claimed...' etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:B19E:D87B:5735:9FC2 ( talk) 21:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
This moment seems to have been a somewhat memorable moment in US politics. It would be good to explicitly add this:
As stated in the NYMag piece:
According to the Library of Congress, Davis claimed that “a widely publicized photo of the embrace infuriated members of the black press and also some of Nixon’s supporters, who were outraged to see a black man hug the president.”
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/03/infamous-famous-hugs-obama-bell-breitbart/slideshow/2/
CBS News: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4l67x5
https://timeline.com/sammy-davis-jr-supported-richard- nixon-308c949a8bfd
This was discussed here:
http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/26-the-hug-heard-round-the-world — Preceding
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Shouldn't there be something in here about is drug use (cocaine) and drinking? That could have led to his early demise.
In 1989, Sammy Davis Jr. introduced a brand of sauces/condiments starting with barbecue sauce, chili, and mustard. According to an article from the L.A. Times, it was to be introduced inearly to mid year in 1989 then go national in the fall. I foudn other references to folks who said they used enjoy buying his brand of barbecue sauce but couldn't find a lot else on his products. It would be a good idea to try and find how long the prodcuts where sold for. Where they discontunued when he died in early 1990 or did they outlive him for a time? There is also an interview of him on the The Arsenio Hall Show from 1989 talking about his soon to be launching food product line on Youtube. Assuming we can get more notable sources for thia, I do think it deserves a mention.The Arsenio Hall Show. (L.A. Article: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-02-22-fi-384-story.html ) -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 02:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
These products were introduced initially in the Cleveland, Ohio area. A businessman named James Price , a co-owner of Ideal Macaroni Co.and Weiss Noodles Co., developed the products in conjunction with Sammy Davis Jr. James Price did all of the marketing and distribution. I left Ideal Macaroni in late 1990/early 1991 so I don't know what happened subsequently. Price sold Ideal Macaroni to a large pasta conglomerate in the 1990's.
Daniel Pierce danielpierce418@gmail.com 192.152.152.187 ( talk) 19:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
see edit hostory Peace is contagious ( talk) 16:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
this Nampa dc keeps reverting valid info & is confused about a civil rights march being policial activism & not part of Davis' career !!! WTF Peace is contagious ( talk) 07:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
{ { ping | Happy-melo } } hi there seems to be a contentious issue, needing admin resolution. Peace is contagious ( talk) 23:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
{ { ping | Happy-melon } } hi there seems to be a contentious issue, needing admin resolution. Peace is contagious ( talk) 23:11, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Plz be specific, this is obviously a moot point as u r incompetent Peace is contagious ( talk) 09:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Petty, very petty... Feel free to fix any typos or spelling...that's sorta the jist of wikipedia, no ? Thanx for yer didactic, erudite & circumspect efforts reguarding which images are necessary ! Davis was primarily an entertainer, why Mr. Nampa DC wants a pic of a civil rights march under career, which seems to have sparked this contentious wiki-dialectic, rather than political beliefs, is beyond me... Peace is contagious ( talk) 13:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that he was a fine player of the jazz drums, and also played jazz vibraphone? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
As he wrote books as well (Yes I Can, Why Me), should we in the first sentence mention him being an author as well. I added that, but got deleted. Ivo Goedhart ( talk) 20:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
His first book was very well sold though Ivo Goedhart ( talk) 20:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I think the caption under the Rat Pack picture may be incorrect. I think this picture was taken in front of the Sands casino in Las Vegas, not the Cal-Neva casino which is (or was) actually near Lake Tahoe. Bunkyray5 ( talk) 02:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)