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This new term is invented by west to save al qaida from calling as wahhabi (of saudi arabia). This trick will help them to achieve support from govt of saudi arabia. There is no such term in encyclopedias so I recommend to delete this article. This new name for extremist islamism is coined to deviate the attention from the saudi wahhabi link with al qaida. This term is never used in media and nor is found in any encyclopedias. Zikrullah ( talk) 15:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Sayyid Qutb was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and is not a Salafi. Removing references to Syed Qutb from this article. Shijaz ( talk) 08:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Removing image of Osama because he is not referred in the article. Also - Osama is not a Salafi, he is an adherent of Qutbism, hence the image is misleading. See main article Osama bin Laden. Shijaz ( talk) 08:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm or cite the number of followers? It used to say 1 percent of 2.5 billion Muslims (incorrect, as there are only 1.4 billion Muslims in the world) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkhach ( talk • contribs) 09:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
"Journalist Bruce Livesey estimates Salafi jihadists constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.9 billion Muslims (c. 10 million)." I double checked the citation, and Bruce Livesey writes: "Salafi jihadists -- who constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims..." I think the article should contain the number used by Livesey, even if it is outdated, if it is going to cite his "1 percent" figure. -- 71.94.75.230 ( talk) 02:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the body is poorly written and not in the wikipedia style. Use of a journalist as though he was an expert on the issue is also questionable. 1% of 1.4 Billion is 14 million an entirely implausible number. The active duty contingent of the US army is only a half a million. Foreign Policy suggests that Afghanistan for example has militants ranging in number from a few hundred to no more than 3 or 4 thousand. The expert mentioned is not even terribly notable even as a journalist much less as an authority to be used in the introduction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.155.29 ( talk) 19:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
More descriptive to people who don't know much about the arabic term "jihad" but understand the mainstream word "terrorism". Mark your post with Oppose or Support followed by argument for or against. In addition, any combination of "Salafist/Salafi terrorist/jihadist" should probably redirect here. Pär Larsson ( talk) 18:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure that people do know what jihad is. Most consider it purely in terms of belief justified aggression even though it has a wider meaning of spiritual struggle. Gregkaye ✍♪ 10:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
In the article it's mentioned that Sayyid Qutb is the antecedent for this sect. Then why not call it Qutbist-Jihadism? Why use the word Salafi? Have any of the leading Salafi Scholars of the recent past and present ever condoned terrorism or what's called "jihadism"? No! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.139.28 ( talk) 09:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I second this motion of renaming the page; 'Salafi' is considered a pejorative among muslims, and it's an insult that this is considered acceptable as an term of usage on wikipedia. Solntsa90 ( talk) 04:40, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).terms
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52300000/jpg/_52300851_011770030-1.jpg would be pertinent I would think. I'm no copyright expert, though, so if someone could figure out what/if/how or an alternative that'd be pimp. Pär Larsson ( talk) 18:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) — innotata 23:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Salafist jihadism → Salafi jihadism – Per: good English as -ist denotes a noun and not an adjective; WP:Criteria, Consistency which applies due to commonality with Salafi movement and Islamic Salafi Alliance and WP:UCRN as "Salafist Jihadism" gets "About 5,860 results" while "Salafi Jihadism" gets "About 11,600 results". Another name possibility could be "Salafi Jihad" which gets "About 24,500 results". --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 02:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC) Gregkaye ✍♪ 10:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Merges are outside the scope of this close. Dekimasu よ! 02:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Salafi jihadism → Salafism – as per WP:AT and WP:UCRN
Ping @ MezzoMezzo: @ Inayity: @ Islamic11111: @ Toddy1:. Alternatively suggest :
Merge to Jihadism or
Move to "Jihadist-Salafism" or "Salafist-jihadism" as per suggestion of Toddy1 below.
17:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC) edited: GregKaye ✍♪ 11:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Comment Salafi jihadism is a subset both of the ideology within the Salafi movement and of Jihadism. GregKaye ✍♪ 06:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I do not think this is correct. "Salafi jihadism" is just the earlier term, later shortened to "jihadism". Apparently, the article confuses Arabic and English/French usage. There is no reason why Arabic "سلفية جهادية" should not equal English "jihadism", exactly because Arabic cannot match the hybrid form "jihadism" (which would result in jihadiyya, which is not a neologism). The argument that "the Taliban are Deobandi but Al Qaeda are Salafi" is completely contrived; this didn't stop them from close collaboration, and their methods and aims are exactly the same. "The role of the Salafi movement in the development of contemporary jihadism" would be a coherent way of putting it, but that makes clear that we are just looking at a partial aspect best treated in context.
The argument that the jihadism article is too long for merging is based on the circumstance that it was completely broken, and went on insane tangents about "Jihad" in general and "the battles of Muhammad" and what have you. "Jihadism" as a concept covers 1980 to present, so a cleanup of the "jihadism" page would mean getting rid of the incoherent tangents and instead incorporating the valid material on 1990s Salafi jihadism we have here. -- dab (𒁳) 17:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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This new term is invented by west to save al qaida from calling as wahhabi (of saudi arabia). This trick will help them to achieve support from govt of saudi arabia. There is no such term in encyclopedias so I recommend to delete this article. This new name for extremist islamism is coined to deviate the attention from the saudi wahhabi link with al qaida. This term is never used in media and nor is found in any encyclopedias. Zikrullah ( talk) 15:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Sayyid Qutb was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and is not a Salafi. Removing references to Syed Qutb from this article. Shijaz ( talk) 08:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Removing image of Osama because he is not referred in the article. Also - Osama is not a Salafi, he is an adherent of Qutbism, hence the image is misleading. See main article Osama bin Laden. Shijaz ( talk) 08:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm or cite the number of followers? It used to say 1 percent of 2.5 billion Muslims (incorrect, as there are only 1.4 billion Muslims in the world) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkhach ( talk • contribs) 09:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
"Journalist Bruce Livesey estimates Salafi jihadists constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.9 billion Muslims (c. 10 million)." I double checked the citation, and Bruce Livesey writes: "Salafi jihadists -- who constitute less than 1 percent of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims..." I think the article should contain the number used by Livesey, even if it is outdated, if it is going to cite his "1 percent" figure. -- 71.94.75.230 ( talk) 02:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the body is poorly written and not in the wikipedia style. Use of a journalist as though he was an expert on the issue is also questionable. 1% of 1.4 Billion is 14 million an entirely implausible number. The active duty contingent of the US army is only a half a million. Foreign Policy suggests that Afghanistan for example has militants ranging in number from a few hundred to no more than 3 or 4 thousand. The expert mentioned is not even terribly notable even as a journalist much less as an authority to be used in the introduction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.155.29 ( talk) 19:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
More descriptive to people who don't know much about the arabic term "jihad" but understand the mainstream word "terrorism". Mark your post with Oppose or Support followed by argument for or against. In addition, any combination of "Salafist/Salafi terrorist/jihadist" should probably redirect here. Pär Larsson ( talk) 18:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure that people do know what jihad is. Most consider it purely in terms of belief justified aggression even though it has a wider meaning of spiritual struggle. Gregkaye ✍♪ 10:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
In the article it's mentioned that Sayyid Qutb is the antecedent for this sect. Then why not call it Qutbist-Jihadism? Why use the word Salafi? Have any of the leading Salafi Scholars of the recent past and present ever condoned terrorism or what's called "jihadism"? No! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.139.28 ( talk) 09:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I second this motion of renaming the page; 'Salafi' is considered a pejorative among muslims, and it's an insult that this is considered acceptable as an term of usage on wikipedia. Solntsa90 ( talk) 04:40, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
References
BLivesey
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).terms
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52300000/jpg/_52300851_011770030-1.jpg would be pertinent I would think. I'm no copyright expert, though, so if someone could figure out what/if/how or an alternative that'd be pimp. Pär Larsson ( talk) 18:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) — innotata 23:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Salafist jihadism → Salafi jihadism – Per: good English as -ist denotes a noun and not an adjective; WP:Criteria, Consistency which applies due to commonality with Salafi movement and Islamic Salafi Alliance and WP:UCRN as "Salafist Jihadism" gets "About 5,860 results" while "Salafi Jihadism" gets "About 11,600 results". Another name possibility could be "Salafi Jihad" which gets "About 24,500 results". --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 02:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC) Gregkaye ✍♪ 10:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Merges are outside the scope of this close. Dekimasu よ! 02:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Salafi jihadism → Salafism – as per WP:AT and WP:UCRN
Ping @ MezzoMezzo: @ Inayity: @ Islamic11111: @ Toddy1:. Alternatively suggest :
Merge to Jihadism or
Move to "Jihadist-Salafism" or "Salafist-jihadism" as per suggestion of Toddy1 below.
17:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC) edited: GregKaye ✍♪ 11:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Comment Salafi jihadism is a subset both of the ideology within the Salafi movement and of Jihadism. GregKaye ✍♪ 06:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I do not think this is correct. "Salafi jihadism" is just the earlier term, later shortened to "jihadism". Apparently, the article confuses Arabic and English/French usage. There is no reason why Arabic "سلفية جهادية" should not equal English "jihadism", exactly because Arabic cannot match the hybrid form "jihadism" (which would result in jihadiyya, which is not a neologism). The argument that "the Taliban are Deobandi but Al Qaeda are Salafi" is completely contrived; this didn't stop them from close collaboration, and their methods and aims are exactly the same. "The role of the Salafi movement in the development of contemporary jihadism" would be a coherent way of putting it, but that makes clear that we are just looking at a partial aspect best treated in context.
The argument that the jihadism article is too long for merging is based on the circumstance that it was completely broken, and went on insane tangents about "Jihad" in general and "the battles of Muhammad" and what have you. "Jihadism" as a concept covers 1980 to present, so a cleanup of the "jihadism" page would mean getting rid of the incoherent tangents and instead incorporating the valid material on 1990s Salafi jihadism we have here. -- dab (𒁳) 17:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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