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Currently about half of the article is in a non-Latin script, thus definitely not in English. Nothing necessarily wrong with extracts in other languages, but unless they are translated they are not going to be meaningful to most readers of English-language Wikipedia. So, whoever added those bits, please supply translations or just remove the sections in question. 78.71.246.102 ( talk) 12:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
britannica said : one of the greatest masters of a form of classical Arabic and Persian lyric poetry .
please see this link [2] this page is not about turkish poetry of saib —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.182.37.43 ( talk) 19:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Mirzā Muḥammad ali Sāib →
Saib Tabrizi per
WP:COMMONNAME
-- Takabeg ( talk) 09:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Urməvi has recently begun to claim him as an Azerbaijani with no sources, if you take a look on the article you can see that all sources state that he was Persian. And the source which states that he wrote in his native Azeri [3], states that he was a Persian if you take a look here [4] -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 09:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, he was a Persian, what means that he was from Persia, not that he was ethnic Persian. In iranica there are nothing about "Persian people". If it were so his native language would be Persian, not Azeri. Let's think a little bit logically. -- Interfase ( talk) 16:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Err.. what? the source clearly says that his was Persian, not Azeri. If he wasn't Persian, then they wouldn't call him that, now that's logically. You edit on Nizami Ganjavi has already been reverted by others, and so will this probably too. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 17:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Sigh.. how can i discuss this with someone who can't even understand a simple sentence? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 10:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please come and help us with this little problem? it seems that Interfase don't understand the meaning of Persian poet, so i would be glad if someone told him. No sources state this person was Azeri, all the sources state that he was Persian. [1] [2] [3] [4] -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:28, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I think user HistoryofIran doesn't understand the meaning of Persian poet. He thinks that Persian poet means poet, who is an "ethnic Persian". But there no sources saying that. -- Interfase ( talk) 10:58, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Sigh.. that makes no sense, oh well, let's see what the people decide. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: In your opinion He said Azeri poetry according to the source Iranica?- Samək Talk 20:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: I'm waiting for answer!!
@
Kouhi: Here is not Persian Wikipedia. Instead of threatening words try to calmly discuss. If the order is Persia, placed in a sentence that would be (Persia+n Poet). Never can write Persia poet because it does not mean. The Britannica is not a reliable source for this article. See
[5]
According Iranica, according to opinion Pan-Farsism/Iranism is the most reliable source in history of Iran. according to the same source Saeb Tabrizi has poems native Azerbaijani language.-- Samək Talk 21:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Samak, Kouhi has already answered you (and he is not threatening you), and as I said, this has already been discussed before. You are bringing an old issue back by saying the exact same thing as that guy did back then. And no, this has nothing to do with any kind of nationalism, but alright. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 21:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Doug Weller:, plz consider the status of the article.-- Samək Talk 21:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
You just broke the three-revert rule and keep making disruptive edits without reaching a concensus and then you call an admin? You are basically shooting yourself in the foot. By the way, me and Kouhi still await a reply :). -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 21:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Samak:, You are making a false claim that is not supported by the reference you are providing. Just for clarification (in the case that my previous comment was not clear enough), I am quoting that part from Iranica:
I don't see "his native language was Azerbaijani and he was an Azeri". As I already said, It is saying that "he was native of Tabriz and the dialectic of Tabriz was Turkish". The word "native" refers to Tabriz, not the language, and the word "Azeri" is not mentioned anywhere in the article. And yes, Britanica is reliable, but I am not going to tell you which source is reliable and which not. So, please stop insisting on a false claim. -- Kouhi ( talk) 21:48, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
The Persian origin of Saib Tabrizi is contested by the following reliable sources:
The more famous Azeri poets in Isfahan include Qavsi Tebrizi, Muhsin Te'sir, Mesihi, Sa'ib Tabrizi, and Melik Beg.
Daha çok Farsça şiirler söyleyen Âzerî şairi[Azeri poet who sang mostly Persian poems]
[...] and Azerbaijani 'Saib Tabrizi' ('from Tabriz'), also called 'Saib Isfahani' as he died in Isfahan.
Given that Encyclopedia Iranica also states that the poet's native language was Turkish [Azerbaijani], it is safe to assume that there is no consensus among academics regarding Tabrizi's origins. There are currently only three sources in the article that identify him as Persian, one of which is not RS, and three sources here that identify him as Azeri. Therefore, I propose removing "Persian" from the lead and inserting the following sentence at the beginning of the "Early life" section:
Saib Tabrizi was either of Persian or Azerbaijani ancestry, with Azerbaijani as his native tongue.
— Golden call me maybe? 14:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
relevant to the subject's notability? Writing the century in which he composed poems might be a better solution:
— Golden call me maybe? 23:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Saib Tabrizi was a 17th century poet, who is regarded as one of the greatest masters of a form of classical Persian lyric poetry characterized by rhymed couplets, known as the ghazal. Saib also established the "Indian style" (sabk-i Hind) in the literature of his native language, Azerbaijani Turkic, in which he is known to have written 17 ghazals and molammaʿs."
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Currently about half of the article is in a non-Latin script, thus definitely not in English. Nothing necessarily wrong with extracts in other languages, but unless they are translated they are not going to be meaningful to most readers of English-language Wikipedia. So, whoever added those bits, please supply translations or just remove the sections in question. 78.71.246.102 ( talk) 12:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
britannica said : one of the greatest masters of a form of classical Arabic and Persian lyric poetry .
please see this link [2] this page is not about turkish poetry of saib —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.182.37.43 ( talk) 19:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Mirzā Muḥammad ali Sāib →
Saib Tabrizi per
WP:COMMONNAME
-- Takabeg ( talk) 09:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Urməvi has recently begun to claim him as an Azerbaijani with no sources, if you take a look on the article you can see that all sources state that he was Persian. And the source which states that he wrote in his native Azeri [3], states that he was a Persian if you take a look here [4] -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 09:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, he was a Persian, what means that he was from Persia, not that he was ethnic Persian. In iranica there are nothing about "Persian people". If it were so his native language would be Persian, not Azeri. Let's think a little bit logically. -- Interfase ( talk) 16:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Err.. what? the source clearly says that his was Persian, not Azeri. If he wasn't Persian, then they wouldn't call him that, now that's logically. You edit on Nizami Ganjavi has already been reverted by others, and so will this probably too. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 17:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Sigh.. how can i discuss this with someone who can't even understand a simple sentence? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 10:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please come and help us with this little problem? it seems that Interfase don't understand the meaning of Persian poet, so i would be glad if someone told him. No sources state this person was Azeri, all the sources state that he was Persian. [1] [2] [3] [4] -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:28, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I think user HistoryofIran doesn't understand the meaning of Persian poet. He thinks that Persian poet means poet, who is an "ethnic Persian". But there no sources saying that. -- Interfase ( talk) 10:58, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Sigh.. that makes no sense, oh well, let's see what the people decide. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: In your opinion He said Azeri poetry according to the source Iranica?- Samək Talk 20:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: I'm waiting for answer!!
@
Kouhi: Here is not Persian Wikipedia. Instead of threatening words try to calmly discuss. If the order is Persia, placed in a sentence that would be (Persia+n Poet). Never can write Persia poet because it does not mean. The Britannica is not a reliable source for this article. See
[5]
According Iranica, according to opinion Pan-Farsism/Iranism is the most reliable source in history of Iran. according to the same source Saeb Tabrizi has poems native Azerbaijani language.-- Samək Talk 21:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Samak, Kouhi has already answered you (and he is not threatening you), and as I said, this has already been discussed before. You are bringing an old issue back by saying the exact same thing as that guy did back then. And no, this has nothing to do with any kind of nationalism, but alright. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 21:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Doug Weller:, plz consider the status of the article.-- Samək Talk 21:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
You just broke the three-revert rule and keep making disruptive edits without reaching a concensus and then you call an admin? You are basically shooting yourself in the foot. By the way, me and Kouhi still await a reply :). -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 21:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Samak:, You are making a false claim that is not supported by the reference you are providing. Just for clarification (in the case that my previous comment was not clear enough), I am quoting that part from Iranica:
I don't see "his native language was Azerbaijani and he was an Azeri". As I already said, It is saying that "he was native of Tabriz and the dialectic of Tabriz was Turkish". The word "native" refers to Tabriz, not the language, and the word "Azeri" is not mentioned anywhere in the article. And yes, Britanica is reliable, but I am not going to tell you which source is reliable and which not. So, please stop insisting on a false claim. -- Kouhi ( talk) 21:48, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
The Persian origin of Saib Tabrizi is contested by the following reliable sources:
The more famous Azeri poets in Isfahan include Qavsi Tebrizi, Muhsin Te'sir, Mesihi, Sa'ib Tabrizi, and Melik Beg.
Daha çok Farsça şiirler söyleyen Âzerî şairi[Azeri poet who sang mostly Persian poems]
[...] and Azerbaijani 'Saib Tabrizi' ('from Tabriz'), also called 'Saib Isfahani' as he died in Isfahan.
Given that Encyclopedia Iranica also states that the poet's native language was Turkish [Azerbaijani], it is safe to assume that there is no consensus among academics regarding Tabrizi's origins. There are currently only three sources in the article that identify him as Persian, one of which is not RS, and three sources here that identify him as Azeri. Therefore, I propose removing "Persian" from the lead and inserting the following sentence at the beginning of the "Early life" section:
Saib Tabrizi was either of Persian or Azerbaijani ancestry, with Azerbaijani as his native tongue.
— Golden call me maybe? 14:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
relevant to the subject's notability? Writing the century in which he composed poems might be a better solution:
— Golden call me maybe? 23:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Saib Tabrizi was a 17th century poet, who is regarded as one of the greatest masters of a form of classical Persian lyric poetry characterized by rhymed couplets, known as the ghazal. Saib also established the "Indian style" (sabk-i Hind) in the literature of his native language, Azerbaijani Turkic, in which he is known to have written 17 ghazals and molammaʿs."