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Tobby72 ( talk · contribs) with this edit tagged this article, saying that the article duplicates the scope of the War in Donbas article. I want editors to discuss this, because I suspect that this content forking is might be acceptable per WP:RELAR. As far as I understand, the War in Donbas is a part of the Russo-Ukrainian War, so it makes sense, that the Russo-Ukrainian War article duplicates some parts of the War in Donbas article. Maybe, some specific section(s) in the Russo-Ukrainian War article could be trimmed, but I am not sure if it makes sense to tag the whole article. Also, the Russo-Ukrainian War article was created before the War in Donbas article. Thoughts, suggestions? Maybe we need (if we need) to tag the War in Donbas article instead of this one? -- Renat 18:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@ RGloucester:There are no Wiki articles named the Turkish-Syrian War, Turkish-Cyprus War, American-Syrian War, American-Iranian War, American-Cuban War, American-Vietnam War or American-Nicaraguan War, because it would be a violation of WP:TITLE and WP:UNDUE. An article named the Russo-Ukrainian War, a de facto duplicating article named the War in Donbas (there is no war in Crimea), is a violation of WP:TITLE and WP:Neutral point of view. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 09:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Rename the article to Russian military intervention in Ukraine or the Russo-Ukrainian conflict. Most sources don’t call it the Russo-Ukrainian War. Please read WP:Common name, and also WP:POVNAME. The article was originally titled the Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present), but in June 2020 it was changed to the Russo-Ukrainian War—the proposer of this page move was sockpuppet of User:Dolyn. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 08:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
What is the purpose of the 'Euromaidan and Anti-Maidan' section in the context of 'Russo-Ukrainian War'? I feel that section can be trimmed to be a more concise, with much of the specific left for the dedicated articles. Also there some issues there, for example with timeline [added for emphasis]:
-- Jakey222 ( talk) 23:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Furthermore restoring the 2004 Constitution, as a goal of the protest, is an important event in the context of Euromaidan. But is it relevant to the Russo-Ukrainian conflict? It would be nice to see more sources that focus on Russo-Ukrainian conflict proper.-- Jakey222 ( talk) 07:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
A follow up to the discussion above #Is this article duplicates the scope of War in Donbas?. It has been noted that this is a summary article and suggested that the 'War in Donbas' section could use some trimming. Any thoughts on this thoughts and suggestions on this would be apricated. -- Jakey222 ( talk) 04:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I believe that that Glazyev tapes receive undue weight on this page and would like to trim it. The problem is that while topic covered elsewhere, currently Glazyev tapes redirects here. Obviously I don't want to lose any details. So what is the procedure here? (Also is there any other place I can ask questions this topic seem a little inactive at times) -- Jakey222 ( talk) 20:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Any chance for some wikipidean made or free source variant of this map found here [1]-- Jakey222 ( talk) 12:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Better translated version of this map, or whatever else you can find -- Jakey222 ( talk) 10:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Maps of Crimea: We could use an English map with some level of detail regarding the Feb-March 2014 invasion,
Maps of East of Ukraine: We could use a map of the situation on the eve of conflict on April-ish 2014
-- Jakey222 ( talk) 14:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
A map request was created at: Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Russia-Ukraine_conflict. Any input would be apricated. -- Jakey222 ( talk) 18:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Seryo93: Concerning your edit fair enough. The way I see it, the Annexation seem to refer to the act of incorporating occupied territories (aspects of which are covered in detail on the main article) rather than the military actions that preceding/following it here. Also on the Ukrainian language version Crimea and Donbass are incorporated into a single theater. This way 'Occupation of Crimea February-March 2014' followed by the events of fighting in Donbas March–July 2014 seem to follow more naturally, and then "Crimean" 2016 border and 2018 Kerch escalations can be explained as part of the wider conflict and external factors like NATO build. Just couple of things to consider. -- Jakey222 ( talk) 15:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi I have been working (as a graphic worker) with
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his request for two maps intended to this article. Unfortunately I have lost contact with Jakey222 so my question is.
Is there anyone here that could help me with their knowledge so the two maps can be completed, or can you link me to someone you think might want to do so, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en ( talk) 14:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
This monster is 18k words. Time to split it into a family of articles of readable length. What do you think? Lfstevens ( talk) 22:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
does anyone have a map of the Russian build-up Cadyro1 ( talk) 11:35, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@ AlexEng: It seems to me to be correct to use the word "claimed". Whether or not one agrees with these claims, the territories are in fact only "claimed" and not controlled. Usually on Wikipedia, when talking about territorial disputes, the claims are addressed without making a judgement as to which is "correct" (in accordance with WP:NPOV), and I don't know why there would be an exception here. Furthermore, a statement by the president of Ukraine doesn't seem like a reliable source with respect to this topic, and if you want to keep the current wording, it should probably be changed to something better. पदाति ( talk) 04:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
According to UNICEF data released in October 2018, mines have killed at least 149 children since 2014 in the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine since 2014
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I want to fix the grammer Dream4206969 ( talk) 20:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
There was no Russo-Ukrainian war in 2014. The war, if such it be, was an internal conflict within the Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.107.127 ( talk) 18:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
So why all these sources about the 2014 russo-ukranian war? Kuolex ( talk) 19:30, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
This subject reveals the fundamental error of Wikipedia relying on "sources" instead of reality. None of the "sources" citing an invasion by Russian forces provide any actual evidence of such an occurrence. No photos of Russian columns, no Russian military casualties, no reports of civilians interacting with Russian troops, no damaged hardware left behind -- literally nothing. But captive to its "sources" Wikipedia can only reflect narrative, like the shadows on the wall of Plato's cave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.107.127 ( talk) 21:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
The allegations about the shelling of the kindergarten turned out to be false or not very clear. For some reason, different opinions about this event are not given, for example, the authorities of the self-proclaimed republics talk about shelling from Ukraine: [3] [4]
It is not clear why the opinion of Western countries was inserted there that this could be a reason for the "invasion" - this opinion turned out to be false. If we insert every opinion about some event, then the articles will turn into a dump of an infinite number of groundless statements of some people. Every day there are new versions of the "invasion" date and other things that turn out to be false. So why include them in the article?
The article does not mention (or mentions very rarely) the opinions, actions and statements of the authorities of the self-proclaimed republics, as well as the statements of Russia:
The article should be neutral, there's no place for propaganda statements. 178.163.92.71 ( talk) 21:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I find it strange that there is no mention of recent shelling by the UAF against the separatist republics and the mass evacuation of their civilian population to Russia. No mention of the sabotage groups that blow up a car two days ago either. I know that this article is anti-Russia but denying or not reporting that in these days Ukraine is heavily shelling the Donbas and that the separatists are shelling themselves (like Zelensky said) is just false. Two shells even fell on Russian territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.20.164.184 ( talk) 12:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change the title of the article to conflict or tension or intervention. War hasn't broken out. Simple as that. 79.168.249.28 ( talk) 21:53, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
States are occupied (like Japan's occupation of Fengtian Clique/Manchuria) without them being wars. Furthermore, the occupation of Crimea wasn't part of a war either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.249.28 ( talk) 00:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
A wholely left-ist euro article with non-leftist ideas and facts canceled. I think there is a problem. No treaty with Ukraine was cited and the statement "russia gave it away" is suspicious. It's true that it was big news in 1991 - it's true Russia's economy was difficult and succession challenges were not something central russia was able to challenge as they wished. As far as what is true today "some people protested in Russia" means "everybody in Russia is protesting". The authors seem to have deployed logic fallicies single sidedly - as they do in most wiki articles. Lastly, there isn't a single paragraph citing russia's positions and how many in russia hold those positions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:143:480:A4C0:4ECC:6AFF:FE8E:47D ( talk) 16:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I have to agree with the previous "nothing new here" 2601:143:480:A4C0:4ECC:6AFF:FE8E:47D anon IP. This article reads grossly pro-West and anti-Russia, when equal or about equal, weight should be afforded to both sides. Also, why is the article titled y give undue weight to one side or another. I think the largest problem here is that there aren't any good, reliable sources that are pro-Russia because pro-Russian sources tend to be state media, which isn't independent and shouldn't really be trusted by anyone.
I cite the historical example of Japan and Manchuria here. Japan invaded an area that was legally part of China in 1931 during an internal conflict, but it didn’t evolve into a full scale war. We don’t call THAT the Second Sino-Japanese War, we save that for the full scale invasion in 1937-1945.
So if full scale war breaks out, I’d suggest saying it started…on whatever day it starts, and give THAT the full blown name of Russo-Ukrainian War, and give this the more mild name.
2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:48F7:77BC:3B5:6E9B ( talk) 03:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Do it
Following the events of February 24, it should be noted that Russia has fully invaded Ukraine in the last sentence of the opening paragraph. 2600:387:F:4515:0:0:0:B ( talk) 06:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
anyone else think that this article should be locked/partially locked for editing or something? y a know. just in case. like the ukraine article or the russia article. -- 2001:569:55C8:D500:A57F:7684:D136:E47E ( talk) 07:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russo-Ukrainian War → Russian intervention in the War in Donbas (2014–2022) – Now that the real war between both countries started as several sources stated ( https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukraine-crisis-live-updates-un-to-hold-emergency-meeting-on-ukraine-russia-standoff-today-2785839/amp/1, https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2022/2/23/22948534/russia-ukraine-war-putin-explosions, https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/ukraine-shifts-to-war-footing-tells-citizens-to-leave-russia-11645616181, https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/russia-attacks-ukraine-news-vladimir-putin-zelenskiy-russian-invasion) Can we please move this article and avoid causing confusion and the under-reliability of wikipedia? Wikiman92783 ( talk) 06:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed that in the belligerents section, the DPRK is listed as supporting Russia. Has this been confirmed? Because I can't seem to find any evidence that North Korea has even said anything about the war at all. 2001:BB6:1E54:858:F401:D6FF:FE11:384D ( talk) 12:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Because this one urges both sides to show restraint and blames the West (US/EU/UK/CA/etc) for the situation in Ukraine, which seems to be anti-West but not pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine Angele201002 ( talk) 14:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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The NPP-EZ, as pictured here ( /info/en/?search=Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone#/media/File:Map_of_Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone.svg ) was confirmed captured by both Ukrainian, Russian, and neutral forces. Add it in pink — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.216.170 ( talk) 18:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The title of this article should probably be changed to Russo-Ukrainian crisis (already a redirect to this page). The namespace for Russo-Ukrainian War (since 2022) will likely need to become its own article in the coming days. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 04:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
What seems the most reasonable at this current juncture would be moving this page to "First Russo-Ukrainian War", "Russo-Ukrainian War: First phase", or "Donbass War" in order to clearly differentiate it from the apparent full-scale war that began today (as opposed to the limited war followed by frozen conflict with punctuated escalations this page covers.) Reyne2 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Agree, making Russo-Ukranian War (2016-2022) and Russo-Ukranian War (2022) separate articles seems like a good cut off point. Yeoutie ( talk) 04:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The events between 2014 and today's invasion have clearly not been that of war between Russia and Ukraine. What we are seeing now is the Russo-Ukrainian war. This page should be moved to "Russo-Ukrainian crisis" or something along those lines and 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine should be moved to Russo-Ukrainian War. The only war that has been happening before today is the Donbas War between Ukraine and DPR and LPR. -- eduardog3000 ( talk) 18:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I cite, among MANY other examples(Yemen, Libya), Nagorno Karabakh. We call the overarching cold conflict the 'conflict', and save War for the hot war in 2020 206.174.216.170 ( talk) 16:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I feel like we should change the dates in the infobox similar to War in Afghanistan. The state of war between 2014 and February 23, 2022 is far different from the full out war that exists as of today. -- 2601:446:400:7F10:BCB0:770F:1601:38F2 ( talk) 21:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change on the Beligerents list, Ukraine side, supported by, is missing some Latin American countries that are officially condemmning Russian invasion. Namely: Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Mexico (also on the UN Security Council 2021-2022 and actively joining Ukrainian and UE efforts), and Ecuador. Below the link for the official statements that support the claims:
Chilean President Gabriel Boric: https://twitter.com/gabrielboric/status/1496877105484808202?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Colombian President Iván Duque: https://twitter.com/IvanDuque/status/1496856138909954053 Uruguayan President Luís Lacalle: https://twitter.com/LuisLacallePou/status/1496846677986070531 Mexican Minister of Foreign Affairs Marcelo Ebrard: https://twitter.com/m_ebrard/status/1496999666902355976 & https://twitter.com/m_ebrard/status/1497015476370747392 Ecuadorean President Guillermo Lasso: https://twitter.com/LassoGuillermo/status/1496884482686824451 192.141.244.137 ( talk) 03:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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04:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Albania has proved to be a strong voice for Ukraine in the UN Security Council.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-albania-call-for-un-vote-friday-on-resolution-condemning-russia-diplomats-01645743906?refsec=afp-news AlbionOfAlbania ( talk) 06:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
done ✅ Srijan Suryansh ( talk) 08:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Add Albania as a supporter of Ukraine. Albania is a strong voice for Ukraine in UN Security Council.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-albania-call-for-un-vote-friday-on-resolution-condemning-russia-diplomats-01645743906?refsec=afp-news AlbionOfAlbania ( talk) 06:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Done
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Why is everyone creating a new stub for every single military action? We're only on day 2. Imagine World War II having 10000 articles on every single time any village anywhere got attacked. ᗞᗴᖇᑭᗅᒪᗴᖇᎢ ( talk) 22:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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There is a problem with the dates as the war begun on the 24th, not on the 20th I like Potatis ( talk) 17:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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The country of Belgium also supported Ukraine. (source: tweet PM Alexander De Croo) 81.82.235.38 ( talk) 07:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/alexanderdecroo/status/1496723852164018184?cxt=HHwWkMC58buat8UpAAAA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.235.38 ( talk) 07:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Remove "Crimean Tatars" from belligerents category. Tatars are an ethnic group and are not monolith blindly in support of one side or the other or even a coherent faction/military force in the conflict Татары ( talk) 13:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Take China out of the “supporting Ukraine column” they have refused to condemn russia, met with the russian leadership during the conflict, and has even said they will not impose any sanctions on the Russian Federation. Them simply saying Ukraine has a right to self-determination doesn’t mean they “support” the Ukrainian military. It’s a fictional narrative that the editor is trying to create. 173.71.144.242 ( talk) 22:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
/add supported Albania Argentina Brazil United States United Kingdom Taiwan Germany Poland France Lebanon Jonathan555568 ( talk) 23:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
added Brazil Jonathan555568 ( talk) 23:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
added France added United States Jonathan555568 ( talk) 23:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
added Brazil Jonathan555568 ( talk) 00:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
added Brazil Russo-Ukrainian War Jonathan555568 ( talk) 00:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
There’s too much confusion, just remove the “supported by” column but it is obvious China backs Russia but wants to remain neutral so it doesn’t get hit with sanctions. 173.71.144.242 ( talk) 00:17, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
While there are obviously questions about Belarus' status as belligerent (
see this talk page thread on the invasion article), this article's first sentence, "...an ongoing war primarily involving Russia, Belarus, and pro-Russian forces on one side, and Ukraine on the other"
seems to go too far. Are there any sources supporting it?
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Serbia does not implicitly support Russia and stated that it "respects territorial integrity of Ukraine" so I believe it should not belong to the list of countries that support Russia. It also offered to accomodate all Ukrainian refugees, so I think it belongs more to the list that support Ukraine than Russia. Serbia should be removed from both lists in my opinion. (Redacted) 09:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Serbia does not implicitly support Russia and stated that it "respects territorial integrity of Ukraine"" - not true at all. Serbia supports Russia. Renat 11:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, true. That link was from 2 years ago. Glasslibrarian ( talk) 13:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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Tobby72 ( talk · contribs) with this edit tagged this article, saying that the article duplicates the scope of the War in Donbas article. I want editors to discuss this, because I suspect that this content forking is might be acceptable per WP:RELAR. As far as I understand, the War in Donbas is a part of the Russo-Ukrainian War, so it makes sense, that the Russo-Ukrainian War article duplicates some parts of the War in Donbas article. Maybe, some specific section(s) in the Russo-Ukrainian War article could be trimmed, but I am not sure if it makes sense to tag the whole article. Also, the Russo-Ukrainian War article was created before the War in Donbas article. Thoughts, suggestions? Maybe we need (if we need) to tag the War in Donbas article instead of this one? -- Renat 18:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@ RGloucester:There are no Wiki articles named the Turkish-Syrian War, Turkish-Cyprus War, American-Syrian War, American-Iranian War, American-Cuban War, American-Vietnam War or American-Nicaraguan War, because it would be a violation of WP:TITLE and WP:UNDUE. An article named the Russo-Ukrainian War, a de facto duplicating article named the War in Donbas (there is no war in Crimea), is a violation of WP:TITLE and WP:Neutral point of view. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 09:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Rename the article to Russian military intervention in Ukraine or the Russo-Ukrainian conflict. Most sources don’t call it the Russo-Ukrainian War. Please read WP:Common name, and also WP:POVNAME. The article was originally titled the Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present), but in June 2020 it was changed to the Russo-Ukrainian War—the proposer of this page move was sockpuppet of User:Dolyn. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 08:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
What is the purpose of the 'Euromaidan and Anti-Maidan' section in the context of 'Russo-Ukrainian War'? I feel that section can be trimmed to be a more concise, with much of the specific left for the dedicated articles. Also there some issues there, for example with timeline [added for emphasis]:
-- Jakey222 ( talk) 23:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Furthermore restoring the 2004 Constitution, as a goal of the protest, is an important event in the context of Euromaidan. But is it relevant to the Russo-Ukrainian conflict? It would be nice to see more sources that focus on Russo-Ukrainian conflict proper.-- Jakey222 ( talk) 07:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
A follow up to the discussion above #Is this article duplicates the scope of War in Donbas?. It has been noted that this is a summary article and suggested that the 'War in Donbas' section could use some trimming. Any thoughts on this thoughts and suggestions on this would be apricated. -- Jakey222 ( talk) 04:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I believe that that Glazyev tapes receive undue weight on this page and would like to trim it. The problem is that while topic covered elsewhere, currently Glazyev tapes redirects here. Obviously I don't want to lose any details. So what is the procedure here? (Also is there any other place I can ask questions this topic seem a little inactive at times) -- Jakey222 ( talk) 20:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Any chance for some wikipidean made or free source variant of this map found here [1]-- Jakey222 ( talk) 12:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Better translated version of this map, or whatever else you can find -- Jakey222 ( talk) 10:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Maps of Crimea: We could use an English map with some level of detail regarding the Feb-March 2014 invasion,
Maps of East of Ukraine: We could use a map of the situation on the eve of conflict on April-ish 2014
-- Jakey222 ( talk) 14:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
A map request was created at: Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Russia-Ukraine_conflict. Any input would be apricated. -- Jakey222 ( talk) 18:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Seryo93: Concerning your edit fair enough. The way I see it, the Annexation seem to refer to the act of incorporating occupied territories (aspects of which are covered in detail on the main article) rather than the military actions that preceding/following it here. Also on the Ukrainian language version Crimea and Donbass are incorporated into a single theater. This way 'Occupation of Crimea February-March 2014' followed by the events of fighting in Donbas March–July 2014 seem to follow more naturally, and then "Crimean" 2016 border and 2018 Kerch escalations can be explained as part of the wider conflict and external factors like NATO build. Just couple of things to consider. -- Jakey222 ( talk) 15:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi I have been working (as a graphic worker) with
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his request for two maps intended to this article. Unfortunately I have lost contact with Jakey222 so my question is.
Is there anyone here that could help me with their knowledge so the two maps can be completed, or can you link me to someone you think might want to do so, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en ( talk) 14:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
This monster is 18k words. Time to split it into a family of articles of readable length. What do you think? Lfstevens ( talk) 22:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
does anyone have a map of the Russian build-up Cadyro1 ( talk) 11:35, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@ AlexEng: It seems to me to be correct to use the word "claimed". Whether or not one agrees with these claims, the territories are in fact only "claimed" and not controlled. Usually on Wikipedia, when talking about territorial disputes, the claims are addressed without making a judgement as to which is "correct" (in accordance with WP:NPOV), and I don't know why there would be an exception here. Furthermore, a statement by the president of Ukraine doesn't seem like a reliable source with respect to this topic, and if you want to keep the current wording, it should probably be changed to something better. पदाति ( talk) 04:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
According to UNICEF data released in October 2018, mines have killed at least 149 children since 2014 in the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine since 2014
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I want to fix the grammer Dream4206969 ( talk) 20:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
There was no Russo-Ukrainian war in 2014. The war, if such it be, was an internal conflict within the Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.107.127 ( talk) 18:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
So why all these sources about the 2014 russo-ukranian war? Kuolex ( talk) 19:30, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
This subject reveals the fundamental error of Wikipedia relying on "sources" instead of reality. None of the "sources" citing an invasion by Russian forces provide any actual evidence of such an occurrence. No photos of Russian columns, no Russian military casualties, no reports of civilians interacting with Russian troops, no damaged hardware left behind -- literally nothing. But captive to its "sources" Wikipedia can only reflect narrative, like the shadows on the wall of Plato's cave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.107.127 ( talk) 21:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
The allegations about the shelling of the kindergarten turned out to be false or not very clear. For some reason, different opinions about this event are not given, for example, the authorities of the self-proclaimed republics talk about shelling from Ukraine: [3] [4]
It is not clear why the opinion of Western countries was inserted there that this could be a reason for the "invasion" - this opinion turned out to be false. If we insert every opinion about some event, then the articles will turn into a dump of an infinite number of groundless statements of some people. Every day there are new versions of the "invasion" date and other things that turn out to be false. So why include them in the article?
The article does not mention (or mentions very rarely) the opinions, actions and statements of the authorities of the self-proclaimed republics, as well as the statements of Russia:
The article should be neutral, there's no place for propaganda statements. 178.163.92.71 ( talk) 21:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I find it strange that there is no mention of recent shelling by the UAF against the separatist republics and the mass evacuation of their civilian population to Russia. No mention of the sabotage groups that blow up a car two days ago either. I know that this article is anti-Russia but denying or not reporting that in these days Ukraine is heavily shelling the Donbas and that the separatists are shelling themselves (like Zelensky said) is just false. Two shells even fell on Russian territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.20.164.184 ( talk) 12:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change the title of the article to conflict or tension or intervention. War hasn't broken out. Simple as that. 79.168.249.28 ( talk) 21:53, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
States are occupied (like Japan's occupation of Fengtian Clique/Manchuria) without them being wars. Furthermore, the occupation of Crimea wasn't part of a war either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.249.28 ( talk) 00:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
A wholely left-ist euro article with non-leftist ideas and facts canceled. I think there is a problem. No treaty with Ukraine was cited and the statement "russia gave it away" is suspicious. It's true that it was big news in 1991 - it's true Russia's economy was difficult and succession challenges were not something central russia was able to challenge as they wished. As far as what is true today "some people protested in Russia" means "everybody in Russia is protesting". The authors seem to have deployed logic fallicies single sidedly - as they do in most wiki articles. Lastly, there isn't a single paragraph citing russia's positions and how many in russia hold those positions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:143:480:A4C0:4ECC:6AFF:FE8E:47D ( talk) 16:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I have to agree with the previous "nothing new here" 2601:143:480:A4C0:4ECC:6AFF:FE8E:47D anon IP. This article reads grossly pro-West and anti-Russia, when equal or about equal, weight should be afforded to both sides. Also, why is the article titled y give undue weight to one side or another. I think the largest problem here is that there aren't any good, reliable sources that are pro-Russia because pro-Russian sources tend to be state media, which isn't independent and shouldn't really be trusted by anyone.
I cite the historical example of Japan and Manchuria here. Japan invaded an area that was legally part of China in 1931 during an internal conflict, but it didn’t evolve into a full scale war. We don’t call THAT the Second Sino-Japanese War, we save that for the full scale invasion in 1937-1945.
So if full scale war breaks out, I’d suggest saying it started…on whatever day it starts, and give THAT the full blown name of Russo-Ukrainian War, and give this the more mild name.
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Following the events of February 24, it should be noted that Russia has fully invaded Ukraine in the last sentence of the opening paragraph. 2600:387:F:4515:0:0:0:B ( talk) 06:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
anyone else think that this article should be locked/partially locked for editing or something? y a know. just in case. like the ukraine article or the russia article. -- 2001:569:55C8:D500:A57F:7684:D136:E47E ( talk) 07:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russo-Ukrainian War → Russian intervention in the War in Donbas (2014–2022) – Now that the real war between both countries started as several sources stated ( https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukraine-crisis-live-updates-un-to-hold-emergency-meeting-on-ukraine-russia-standoff-today-2785839/amp/1, https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2022/2/23/22948534/russia-ukraine-war-putin-explosions, https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/ukraine-shifts-to-war-footing-tells-citizens-to-leave-russia-11645616181, https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/russia-attacks-ukraine-news-vladimir-putin-zelenskiy-russian-invasion) Can we please move this article and avoid causing confusion and the under-reliability of wikipedia? Wikiman92783 ( talk) 06:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed that in the belligerents section, the DPRK is listed as supporting Russia. Has this been confirmed? Because I can't seem to find any evidence that North Korea has even said anything about the war at all. 2001:BB6:1E54:858:F401:D6FF:FE11:384D ( talk) 12:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Because this one urges both sides to show restraint and blames the West (US/EU/UK/CA/etc) for the situation in Ukraine, which seems to be anti-West but not pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine Angele201002 ( talk) 14:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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The NPP-EZ, as pictured here ( /info/en/?search=Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone#/media/File:Map_of_Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone.svg ) was confirmed captured by both Ukrainian, Russian, and neutral forces. Add it in pink — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.216.170 ( talk) 18:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The title of this article should probably be changed to Russo-Ukrainian crisis (already a redirect to this page). The namespace for Russo-Ukrainian War (since 2022) will likely need to become its own article in the coming days. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 04:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
What seems the most reasonable at this current juncture would be moving this page to "First Russo-Ukrainian War", "Russo-Ukrainian War: First phase", or "Donbass War" in order to clearly differentiate it from the apparent full-scale war that began today (as opposed to the limited war followed by frozen conflict with punctuated escalations this page covers.) Reyne2 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Agree, making Russo-Ukranian War (2016-2022) and Russo-Ukranian War (2022) separate articles seems like a good cut off point. Yeoutie ( talk) 04:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The events between 2014 and today's invasion have clearly not been that of war between Russia and Ukraine. What we are seeing now is the Russo-Ukrainian war. This page should be moved to "Russo-Ukrainian crisis" or something along those lines and 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine should be moved to Russo-Ukrainian War. The only war that has been happening before today is the Donbas War between Ukraine and DPR and LPR. -- eduardog3000 ( talk) 18:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I cite, among MANY other examples(Yemen, Libya), Nagorno Karabakh. We call the overarching cold conflict the 'conflict', and save War for the hot war in 2020 206.174.216.170 ( talk) 16:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I feel like we should change the dates in the infobox similar to War in Afghanistan. The state of war between 2014 and February 23, 2022 is far different from the full out war that exists as of today. -- 2601:446:400:7F10:BCB0:770F:1601:38F2 ( talk) 21:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change on the Beligerents list, Ukraine side, supported by, is missing some Latin American countries that are officially condemmning Russian invasion. Namely: Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Mexico (also on the UN Security Council 2021-2022 and actively joining Ukrainian and UE efforts), and Ecuador. Below the link for the official statements that support the claims:
Chilean President Gabriel Boric: https://twitter.com/gabrielboric/status/1496877105484808202?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Colombian President Iván Duque: https://twitter.com/IvanDuque/status/1496856138909954053 Uruguayan President Luís Lacalle: https://twitter.com/LuisLacallePou/status/1496846677986070531 Mexican Minister of Foreign Affairs Marcelo Ebrard: https://twitter.com/m_ebrard/status/1496999666902355976 & https://twitter.com/m_ebrard/status/1497015476370747392 Ecuadorean President Guillermo Lasso: https://twitter.com/LassoGuillermo/status/1496884482686824451 192.141.244.137 ( talk) 03:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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04:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Albania has proved to be a strong voice for Ukraine in the UN Security Council.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-albania-call-for-un-vote-friday-on-resolution-condemning-russia-diplomats-01645743906?refsec=afp-news AlbionOfAlbania ( talk) 06:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
done ✅ Srijan Suryansh ( talk) 08:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Add Albania as a supporter of Ukraine. Albania is a strong voice for Ukraine in UN Security Council.
https://www.barrons.com/news/us-albania-call-for-un-vote-friday-on-resolution-condemning-russia-diplomats-01645743906?refsec=afp-news AlbionOfAlbania ( talk) 06:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Done
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Why is everyone creating a new stub for every single military action? We're only on day 2. Imagine World War II having 10000 articles on every single time any village anywhere got attacked. ᗞᗴᖇᑭᗅᒪᗴᖇᎢ ( talk) 22:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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There is a problem with the dates as the war begun on the 24th, not on the 20th I like Potatis ( talk) 17:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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The country of Belgium also supported Ukraine. (source: tweet PM Alexander De Croo) 81.82.235.38 ( talk) 07:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/alexanderdecroo/status/1496723852164018184?cxt=HHwWkMC58buat8UpAAAA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.235.38 ( talk) 07:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Remove "Crimean Tatars" from belligerents category. Tatars are an ethnic group and are not monolith blindly in support of one side or the other or even a coherent faction/military force in the conflict Татары ( talk) 13:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Take China out of the “supporting Ukraine column” they have refused to condemn russia, met with the russian leadership during the conflict, and has even said they will not impose any sanctions on the Russian Federation. Them simply saying Ukraine has a right to self-determination doesn’t mean they “support” the Ukrainian military. It’s a fictional narrative that the editor is trying to create. 173.71.144.242 ( talk) 22:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
/add supported Albania Argentina Brazil United States United Kingdom Taiwan Germany Poland France Lebanon Jonathan555568 ( talk) 23:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
added Brazil Jonathan555568 ( talk) 23:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
added France added United States Jonathan555568 ( talk) 23:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
added Brazil Jonathan555568 ( talk) 00:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
added Brazil Russo-Ukrainian War Jonathan555568 ( talk) 00:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
There’s too much confusion, just remove the “supported by” column but it is obvious China backs Russia but wants to remain neutral so it doesn’t get hit with sanctions. 173.71.144.242 ( talk) 00:17, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
While there are obviously questions about Belarus' status as belligerent (
see this talk page thread on the invasion article), this article's first sentence, "...an ongoing war primarily involving Russia, Belarus, and pro-Russian forces on one side, and Ukraine on the other"
seems to go too far. Are there any sources supporting it?
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Serbia does not implicitly support Russia and stated that it "respects territorial integrity of Ukraine" so I believe it should not belong to the list of countries that support Russia. It also offered to accomodate all Ukrainian refugees, so I think it belongs more to the list that support Ukraine than Russia. Serbia should be removed from both lists in my opinion. (Redacted) 09:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Serbia does not implicitly support Russia and stated that it "respects territorial integrity of Ukraine"" - not true at all. Serbia supports Russia. Renat 11:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, true. That link was from 2 years ago. Glasslibrarian ( talk) 13:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)