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Can we add a description about both Shell and Norway's Equinor announcing on Feb 28, 2022, that both of them are exiting their respective Russia operations due to the Ukraine Invasion Phileo ( talk) 02:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It's not invasion. It's military operations in order to save Russian people in Ukraine from Neo-Nazzis from Ukraine, USA, EU and UK. 31.223.132.51 ( talk) 12:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Add in the 1 March section "Belarussian forces were reported by Ukrainian authorities as having entered the Chernihiv Oblast in order to aid the Russian invasion, though this was denied by President Lukashenko. [1]" Guyfromearth2 ( talk) 15:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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As I cannot edit/reply in the above talk section. To clarify about the columns should be clearer "according to" or "for": The top FLAGS should have such clarifying text with them (It's not about identifying the flags as being Russian or Ukranian!) In addition, making it worse, the "per" is also unclear about meaning "according to" or "for".
So the division should be
FOR Russia + Flag / FOR Ukraine + Flag
Then, below "according to" would be better than "per"
Alternatively, According to Russia + Flag / According to Ukraine + Flag ..and below "for" would be better than "per"...
As before, thanks for the great voluntary effort behind the page, not least the map updates and the day-by-day invasion progress editing. 188.65.190.66 ( talk) 15:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Not sure where the best place for this is (maybe in the reactions section here), but it seems like it's probably worth a mention:
More than 100 diplomats from some 40 Western countries and allies including Japan walked out of a speech by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to the top U.N. human rights forum on Tuesday in protest over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Aluxosm ( talk) 16:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Here are some more sources:
Ukraine's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva led the walkout, which left a largely empty conference hall to hear the remarks by Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov at a conference on disarmament.
Dozens of officials, including those from Britain, the US and the European Union, left the UN Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva, Switzerland on Tuesday as a video message from Vladimir Putin's ally played.
Aluxosm ( talk) 18:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Done Here's the diff. Aluxosm ( talk) 18:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I draw attention to following situation. Some news appear in Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian media but Wikipedians don't use these sources; then Western media reprint these news and Wikipedians include it into the text of the article with references to Western media and without references to media published these news for first time (for example, the news about control of the cities and towns, about Ukrainian casualties, about Ukrainian refugees is regularly publishing by UNIAN and Ukrinform; news about Russian war censorship and anti-war protests in Russia appeared in Novaya Gazeta, The Moscow Times, Dozhd; the news about Belarusian paratroopers preparing to invade Ukraine were published by Belsat TV). This situation is unfair to Eastern-slavic journalists.
I suggest to consider the following media as reliable sources:
If Western media reprints news of aforementioned media, we should use references to both sources - Western and original, as a sign to respect to journalists working in difficult and dangerous conditions, often under threat of death or imprisonment. K8M8S8 ( talk) 09:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to add a link to the Belarus portal at the bottom of the article, given that Belarusian territory is being used to launch missiles into Ukraine, along with the now official participation of the Belarusian Armed Forces. TorreAzzurro ( talk) 09:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media threats to block Wikipedia due to the article «Вторжение России в Украину 2022» in Russian Wiki. [1] K8M8S8 ( talk) 19:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Let Russia do it. Nothing will stop the truth being spoken, and Wikipedians and the website itself should not be bullied by such single-minded fools in the Kremlin. They are not the boss of tech companies who stand for truth, and if those companies face such action, they should systematically threaten to shut down access to their services to Russian government officials. 5.64.106.84 ( talk) 20:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Having been involved in this talk page for 4 days now, I see lots of repetitive requests being made despite consensus having been established to the contrary earlier. Maybe we should create a /Current consensus subpage & transclude it here, as a quick reference for editors & visitors, like the one being transcluded at Talk:Donald Trump § Current consensus. This way editors will know what is current consensus without having to sift through archives and help improve the article. Please share your opinion & suggestions. Thanks! --- CX Zoom(he/him) ( let's talk| contribs) 17:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I am concerned about the map. Is it updated correctly? What I have read are the cities of Mariopol, Chernihiv and Sumy encircled. I also find it hard to belive that the big yellow territory north of Konotop is in full Ukrainian hands? Maybe a new color showing "contested territory" is a good idea? 217.209.60.112 ( talk) 16:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
There are flags and lots of "per" --
The Flags should have text titles with them.
Do they mean ACCORDING TO Russia/Ukraine or FOR Russia/Ukraine...and the "per" also has the double meaning ACCORDING TO or FOR... 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 22:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
"The US and others accused Russia of planing to invasion, but Russian officials repeatedly denied this". Please correct this someone.- 103.53.232.62 ( talk) 13:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
There's a lot of discussion around what Budapest really means. Here is the expert consensus, as I understand it:
- While physically there were nukes in Ukraine, they were controlled by the Soviets. It was more akin to U.S. weapons stationed in European countries
- Ukraine tried to convince the nuclear operators to defect and did some saber rattling around taking the nukes
- If they had taken the nukes, they would have had no way to use them or maintain them and the fissile material would have expired
- In return for not turning it into a bid deal/inconvenience, they got some concessions in Budapest
- Ukraine never had a clear path to becoming nuclear armed, nor did they ever really start on that path
- This false narrative around Ukraine having once been a nuclear state is being used by Putin to, in part, justify the invasion - he's pointing to the threat of a nuclear Ukraine
Here are a couple blog posts by reputable though opinionated arms control experts. They point to underlying scholarly sources which I don't have access to but you could take a look to confirm what they're saying if you have access to those journals: https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/207316/ukraine-and-the-1994-budapest-memorandum/ https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1215097/deterrence-in-ukraine/
I would suggest changing this to say simply that "After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine and Russia maintained close ties. In 1994, Ukraine signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances on the condition that Russia, the United Kingdom (UK), and the United States (US) would provide assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. Five years later, Russia was one of the signatories of the Charter for European Security, which "reaffirmed the inherent right of each and every participating State to be free to choose or change its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance, as they evolve".
The article on Budapest provides adequate context for the memorandum and properly explains this issue.
李艾连 ( talk) 04:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks for the responses - I'm certainly far from an expert, just glad this is being considered by people who deeply know the history (as it seems you do). 李艾连 ( talk) 00:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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22:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)The quality of the historic and geopolitical perspective given to the reader on the current event is that of a British tabloid, a reddit thread, a twitter post: unacceptable for a worldwide encyclopedia. See also #NPOV issue: background should cover natural gas disputes and #Right_to_adversarial_arguments.
This Historical_background_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War Wikilink is in fact a redirect to Historical_background_of_the_2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine, which is far as general as the previous claim, and is in quite a poor state. I am dedicating time today to improving the subject, help welcome. Maxorazon ( talk) 06:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
For some reason, the article goes to great length to completely whitewash the Ukrainian side and NATO from all responsibility fro the conflict in Ukraine since 2014 and lay the blame on it solely on Russia. Reollun ( talk) 22:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The An-225 was not operated by the Ukrainian military, (rather by a civilian airline) so it should not be recorded as a equipment loss in the infobox Chokoladesu ( talk) 12:21, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
uhh... anyone? Chokoladesu ( talk) 05:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
WELL ABOUT AN225, First it was not totally destroyed, it is damaged by explosion inside Hanger, this also partially damaged also. The Aircraft seems still standing, according satellite pictures. SO IT IS NOT LOST -- 90.186.219.179 ( talk) 00:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Just a note on WP:RECENTISM: as a current and ongoing event, there is a lot of recentism in this article. I'll quote from the page itself:
Recentism is a phenomenon on Wikipedia where an article has an inflated or imbalanced focus on recent events. It is writing without an aim toward a long-term, historical view. This can result in, among others:
There is fertile ground for editors to try to improve the article in this respect. Especially in the invasion section, all through the article editors are inserting content for individual incidents without an overarching historical narrative structure. This is causing the article to miss some key ideas, such as the stall of the Russian army, its failure to meet its strategic goals, etc. If we can start to get on top of this now, it will require less work to shape the article in future. Mozzie ( talk) 02:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
failure to meet its strategic goals- and what are these goals? I see none in the article. Are there any RS about these goals? I say the strate goal is to revive the New Novorossiya ("New New Russia") project, see Novorossiya#Impact in modern times. Loew Galitz ( talk) 05:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Surely we dont need to list numerous fake news generated by propaganda from both sides, but definitely something must be written about this, because this war is notable for its information warfare.
There is rightly a lot of coverage of economic sanctions but zero mention of cultural sanctions, which arguably are not much less impactful, especially in the context of "sport washing".
I can start the ball rolling with these two:
- On the 28th Feburary 2022 Fifa and Uefa suspended all Russian football clubs and national teams from its tournaments and competitions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/60560567 - The FIA cancelled the 2022 Russian Grand Prix https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60523049
Oiona ( talk) 09:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
There is rightly a lot of coverage of economic sanctions but zero mention of cultural sanctions, which arguably are not much less impactful, especially in the context of "sport washing".
I can start the ball rolling with these two:
- On the 28th Feburary 2022 Fifa and Uefa suspended all Russian football clubs and national teams from its tournaments and competitions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/60560567 - The FIA cancelled the 2022 Russian Grand Prix https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60523049
Oiona ( talk) 09:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Isn't it time to add EU as a Belligerent on the Ukrainian side in the infobox since many countries are sending weapons (with EU support)? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 10:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Belarus going to invade ukraine, and cutting of poland 217.171.226.115 ( talk) 10:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
In order to allow us to remove comments asking very basic questions, I think a FAQ may be in order. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Thinking of adding a section titled Online and Cyber Warfare for the nonlethal tactics being used by either side - Ukraine's IT Army, Anonymous, Russian's attacks, misinformation wars, etc. Anyone feel this would work? Sir Magnus has spoken! ( So can you!) 13:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Slovakia and Bulgaria are rejecting that the countries will provide fighter planes to Ukraine. Poland refused to confirm or deny. [1]-- Znuddel ( talk) 08:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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The note below the animated map depicting the Invasion of Ukraine states:
"Animated map of the 2022 Russian invation [invasion] of Ukraine over time. Currently goes to February 28th. Should be updated every day as events unfold" -MaitreyaVaruna
However, the animated video goes to March 1st; it states "1 MARCH (UTC+2)." If possible, could we update the summary below the video? -- MateoFrayo ( talk) 14:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Addition to economic ramifications.
Source: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/maersk-suspends-all-container-shipping-to-russia FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 15:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
In the lead, this seems to rely exclusively on a page from the NATO website. I don't really see any mention about this in Der Spiegel ref. Can a better source be found for this? I am sure there would be something else other than NATO website. Thanks. Mellk ( talk) 17:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, on German Wikipedia we are working on an article about refugees from Ukraine. Are there plans for such an article in English? I would like to help translating sections. Ziko ( talk) 17:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Prosecutor-General of Russia demands to ban Echo of Moscow and Dozhd. [1] Sites are already blocked by Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media. [2] K8M8S8 ( talk) 17:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Russia controls everything there and around it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.216.170 ( talk) 10:54, March 1, 2022 (UTC)
206.174.216.170 ( talk) 19:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC) This https://imgur.com/rQ0FHiS ?
Useful source? " The Mysterious Case of the Missing Russian Air Force". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Source: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2022/03/01/ford-suspends-joint-venture-operation-russia/6982264001/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAPwiki ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Multiple though unconfirmed reports have come out that Russian forces seem to have entered and taken Kherson
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-forces-have-entered-kherson-says-ukrainian-official-2022-03-01/ https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-01/russian-forces-have-entered-kherson-says-ukrainian-official https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1498789059124158467?s=20&t=SuxwZwWHIXAsilpVDzihbw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisersauce1 ( talk • contribs) 01:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Should Lukashenko be added to the commanders section of the infobox? Mjroots ( talk) 14:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The map associated with said likely needs an update. The USA is the next nation to do so. Source.--Surv1v4l1st ╠ Talk║ Contribs╣ 01:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
In the article, it is said, "On 2 March, guerilla hackers in Ukraine pledged to fight Russia through cyber-attacks." This is old news. The media covered this and annoucements were made on the 25th. Yet, it is in the article as happening now. Even in the citation, it is treated as not-so-recent. Mebigrouxboy ( talk) 03:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I realize this number may be 0 or minimal, but their denial should be documented, no? 216.193.170.144 ( talk) 00:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I think this 2022, March 1st article from Fox News (which is also verifiable on the Wayback link in the article) is an interesting insight into Putin's objectives/motivations. The article is Ukraine War: Russia state media prematurely declared victory, hailed 'new world' in now-deleted report. Worth adding? 78.18.240.139 ( talk) 22:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It's worth adding but use this source, Fox News is not a reliable source https://mil.in.ua/en/news/brave-new-world-of-putin-an-article-by-the-propaganda-publication-ria-novosti-which-was-to-be-published-after-the-occupation-of-ukraine/ MaitreyaVaruna ( talk) 22:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
While I don't necessarily view the content of the videos posted here as suspect, I don't think Voice of America as a source should be used here. Would Russia Today also be used in the same way? Voice of America is a state propaganda agency. Rando-user-here ( talk) 00:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I am notifying editors that there is a split proposal occurring for the Kherson offensive. Feel free to participate in the discussion on the talk page. Elijahandskip ( talk) 06:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The article for the 2022 Ukrainian refugee crisis was recently created. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 06:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hello! Would the information below be relevant to Section 6.2 Economic Impact?
South Korea's SWIFT ban against Russia is expected to immediately impact roughly 8 trillion won (approx. $6.64 billion USD) worth of shipbuilding contracts Korea already has with Russia along with Korea's car exports. South Korea accounts for roughly 40.6% of all automobile and automobile-related parts imported by Russia and maintains a vehicle factory in St. Petersburg. There are also South Korean home appliance, parts, and plastics factories located in Russia which are directly affected by the ban and expected to report losses. South Korea's national carrier Korean Air is considering cancelling direct flights between Incheon and Moscow, possibly as early as March 3rd. [1] [2]
On February 28th South Korea announced it will release some of its strategic petroleum reserves in an attempt to stabilize global oil prices as well as considering the option to re-sell LNG to Europe as part of "international efforts to support Ukraine" ("우크라이나를 지원하기 위한... 국제사회와의 공조"). [3] [4] South Korea is estimated to hold the world's 4th largest strategic petroleum reserve [5] [6]
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Bulgaria is not sending arms to Ukraine, said PM Kiril Petkov. There are sources of his statement. Nix3214 ( talk) 11:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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I have uploaded an image for the Propaganda part of the image. The file is Ukraine propaganda on twitter.PNG and is a screenshot of the official Ukraine Twitter account. The account can be found here and the tweet can be found here. KaptianKharisma ( talk) 03:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Technically, on a historical base, this is a confrontation that goes on from 2014 between 2 nations, so it is historically more correct to call it "Russo Ukrainian war" and not "Russian invasion", but this is a simple technical observation of a history appassionate, that can't do much compared to a general opinion of ignorance, so in this case we should change the name to the 2nd Iraqi war to us invasion of Iraq? 91.80.25.59 ( talk) 07:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The Russian government uses the tensions between pro-Russian and Nationalist groups in Ukraine and how the Ukrainian goverment handled this as part of their justification for the war. Think "Odessa massacre", the supposed involvement of nationalists in Kyiv, and the failure of the Ukrainian judicial system. This needs to be explained in a section, everything else will promote an incomplete understanding of the ongoing events. -- Jazzman ( talk) 09:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/01/ukraine-convoy-stalled-heavy-fighting/
Intralexical ( talk) 05:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Have tactical or battlefield nuclear, chemical or bacteriological weapons been detected on the Russian convoy approaching Kiev? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 ( talk) 08:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
There is the spelling mistake in the last sentence of the last paragraph of the subsection "Censorship and propaganda" - Poskomnadzor instead Roskomnadzor. Also, you can use the name Russian communications and media regulator to avoid a tautology. K8M8S8 ( talk) 07:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The last sentence under March 2nd events includes the typo 'Februar', missing the ending 'y'.
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February is spelt wrong under March 2nd - final sentence. Romknowmyst ( talk) 10:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
To add: information about Magomed Tushayev (since his article was created, then deleted, three times now). 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Should the info on Azov Battalion coating lard in bullets targeting Chechen muslims that was posted on the National Guard twitter account be added to the article? or wait until it is properly reported in the media.- UtoD 20:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey! about the "tank" that crushes the vehicle. It has been debunked and is still being shown in the article. Some example by press agencies: [5] , [6] , [7], Even those who see the complete videos, the place, the facts and the moment in time it happened realize it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.207.223.78 ( talk) 01:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
From [2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Russian accusations and demands|this section]:
>and no far-right candidate won a single seat in the Verkhovna Rada, the national legislature
But one of the sources in that section:
>one far-right party, Svoboda, is represented in Ukraine's parliament
The two facts appear contradictory, or at least 'sneaky' ('sneaky' as in, "It's technically true because one is referring to the Rada, while the other is referring to Svoboda"). When I first read that section, I thought there was _no_ representation of the far-right in government.
In general, is there a better way that paragraph on far-right nationalism could be written? Because to an outside reader, it's very confusing. On the one hand, it sounds like it's trying to completely dismiss the far-right nationalism claim (to quote the section as of writing this, Putin was using a "false 'Nazi' narrative"), but many of the links and citations have something that seems to back up little bits of that particular claim ( this link in the middle of that section gives me a lot of troubling cognitive dissonance and confusion). Perhaps to try to keep it NPOV, not directly contradict other articles in Wikipedia, and strike a middle ground here, it would be more appropriate and fit the available source material push the wording and tone to say something more like "While Putin's points on this particular matter do have some basis, analysts have found them to be greatly exagerrated?" That way, the section isn't contradicting itself so much? Fephisto ( talk) 01:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The discussion of Ukrainian nazification claim is being made in a shallow and biased way, for two main reasons. First, it is biased toward the (common in the West) view that nazists persecuted only Jews, or that Jews were the most numerous victims, which is factually false. Shallow because, acknowledging that invocation of Nazism is somewhat exaggerated (but not false, anyway), one must take into account the historical fact that German forces at Word War II killed soviets indiscriminately, leading to the (documented) worst genocide known to mankind [8]. For Russian people, many times Nazism echoes as Russophobia. Despite Putin's populistic move, it shall be acknowledged that the existence of russophobe active militias officially supported and paid by Ukrainian government [9], whatever their size, is a fact (not a fake). The use of Wolfsangel logo is not a coincidence [10]. In the context or Russian-Ukranian war, the continuous support of far-right, russophobe groups against the Donbass separatists is viewed inside Russia (by many but not all) as something quite similar in essence to the Nazi assault to soviets - a move to annihilate the Russian people (and by extension, Belarusian, since they were also victims of Nazi genocide). Finally, everything must be viewd in the context of the historical division of east Ukraine and central/west Ukraine; it is not possible to understand what "Nazism" means for a Russian or a russophile Ukrainian without understanding the dynamics of the internal Ukrainian divisions and the historical context of WWII's Soviet genocide. The western view of the Nazism is completely distorted in this regard. That said, one must also acknowledge that Putin's move is a populistic one; however, what is being claimed here is not a dispute of opinions, but a more comprehensive and factual expression of the context that dictates the historical fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.255.226.128 ( talk) 03:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
there is no widespread support for far-right ideology. That's correct. However neonazis are well-organized minority, and armed, too, therefore I can readily believe they are used as a brute force by some groups. Funny thing, some time ago I have read about clashes between neonazi groups, because they were hired to defend interests of different oligarchs :-) On a more serious note, neonazis were used to quash protests by small businesses and independent businessmen (ФОП - a cyrillic abbrev; there is ukwiki page uk:Фізична особа-підприємець with no link to enwiki, which would be translated as " natural person- entrepreneur" or "individual-entrepreneur). Loew Galitz ( talk) 06:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It should be said that Nazi influence is exaggerated, but cannot be dismissed entirely. Azov has state sanction; it is an official part of the Ukrainian National Guard. Also, the increasing rehabilitation of the UPA, an ultranationalist guerilla group during WW2. While not Nazis they were fascists who committed pogroms against Poles, Jews, and Russians and sometimes collaborated with Germany. 24.44.73.34 ( talk) 18:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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I just would like to thank all the writers and administrators of this article. Perfectly presented and developed, exalting the freedom to share true information.
With gratitude,
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Completely agree! I'm glad wikipedianians (Is that how you say it?) across the globe were able to help in creating and supporting this article with the underlying belief of truth and freedom. Regarding the imaginary beer's, I'm down. MateoFrayo ( talk) 04:41, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Haha, truth is not a belief. It is true whether you believe it or not. Janneman27 ( talk) 11:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't this data be in this page? It is clearly a humanitarian issue. Such reports came from official sources, BBC, Al Jazeera, different Indian and African channels covered this issue too. SReader2101 ( talk) 11:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Konotop's mayor still in control. https://novosti.dn.ua/news/321278-konotopu-postavili-ultimatum-sdaetsya-ili-ego-raznesut-artilleriej GordonGlottal ( talk) 11:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
2/27/22 the russians have stated that they will be arming nukes should we add this? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-nuclear-forces-ukraine-fighting/ due to this i feel like it is important to add your opinions? Diepanzerwaffles ( talk) 12:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Not sure what's going on but civilian casualties announced by Ukraine just went from 346 KIA to 2,000+ KIA. It is reliable sourced so I've added it into the article. It could still be some sort of reporting error though. Viewsridge ( talk) 13:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this into the subsection "United Nations" of the section "Reactions" of the article:
United Nations General Assembly overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia over its invasion of Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body. 141 of the Assembly's 193 members voted for the resolution, 35 including China abstained and 5 countries including Russia and Belarus voted against the document. [1]
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In the section titled, "Euromaidan, Revolution of Dignity, and war in Donbas (3rd Paragraph) it refers to - British journalist Edward Lucas described it as historical revisionism.
However, the hyperlink directs users to Historical negationism
I'm not an expert on the two topics, but this feels erroneous in nature or a simple mistake -- the historical negationism article also ironically instructs that it (negationism) should not be conflated with historical revisionism, a broader term that extends to newly evidenced, fairly reasoned academic reinterpretations of history. Happy to hear others' thoughts, or to get the edit done, I just don't have the access due to the protection. Cheers OfficerManatee ( talk) 12:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Please, fix the link #17 (about crashing of Su-25, in infobox). K8M8S8 ( talk) 17:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The key says countries colored pink say NATO is to blame for the invasion, but the map colors those countries orange. JorikThePooh ( talk) 19:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed frequent changes on Casualties and losses section. It was "Per Ukraine", then it became "According to Ukraine", now it is "Acc. to Ukraine". I suggest: "Ukrainian Claim", "Russian Claim" — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThalesMML ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Luhansk Republic" and "Donetsk Republic" to "Luhansk PR" and "Donetsk PR" respectively. Spartacus but Russian ( talk) 09:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The inset image with the caption French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said that the EU "will bring about the collapse" of the economy of Russia inside of the Economic impact section has a broken link for it's citation, it resolves to https://www.thelocal.fr/20220301/french-finance-minister-we-will-wwring-about-collapse-of-the-russian-economy/ when it should actually resolve to https://www.thelocal.fr/20220301/french-finance-minister-we-will-bring-about-collapse-of-the-russian-economy/
The description below the map currently only shows the date, but since the map is being updated so regurlarly, may I suggest that the time also be added? -- Sentimex ( talk) 12:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Typo fix in "Invasion" section, change:
"3 March The Chief Prosecutor of the ICC (International Criminal Court) announced that evidence was being collected of alleged war crimes, cries against humanity and genocide committed by Russian forces during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. This after 39 nations petitioned for an quiry to be opened."
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"3 March The Chief Prosecutor of the ICC (International Criminal Court) announced that evidence was being collected of alleged war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed by Russian forces during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. This came after 39 nations petitioned for an inquiry to be opened." 135.180.45.197 ( talk) 05:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better to change the colors to white (for the letter and border) and military green (for the background)? Ngfio ( talk) 08:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Lukashenko has officially denied Belarusian troops in Ukraine. Whether or not it's true it needs to be listed as (officially denied). Other countries have also denied. Also, I would argue that unless we have concrete evidence (and not only Zelenskyy's claim) we should add (alleged) but that's minor
Source : https://www.politico.eu/article/belarus-russia-war-ukraine/ Angele201002 ( talk) 08:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Looks like someone edited while I was posting so disregard this Angele201002 ( talk) 08:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please update the infobox with Ukraine's claimed inflicted losses: https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499311646690492417 P4p5 ( talk) 11:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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I propose that the information about the invasion be split off into
Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 and
Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in March 2022. This section is the largest in the article and only will continue to grow as time moves forward. I think having timeline articles would be appropriate considering we have done so for other topics such as COVID-19. We should keep a monthly summary here of the most important details while the day-to-day summaries can be at the timelines.
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Under the Eastern Front section, change "Russian tanks where met with strong resistance" to "Russian tanks were met with strong resistance". Oktayey ( talk) 20:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi there,
I wanted to discuss the issue of graphic content on Wikipedia. Some of the images and videos show graphic content on this page or related pages. At the Battle of Kharkiv (2022) shows a woman with her leg blown off and many numerous dead civilians. Personally I find dead bodies less graphic than a living dismembered person. I think these videos should be treated with caution and perhaps are best not linked on any of the main articles since we do not know who may be watching them and they can come with little warning. I could not find much policy on them but thought I would ask here first since there is more traffic. Words in the Wind( talk) 17:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The page has finally reached a size that some content should be split/removed. Right now it's at around 90 KB of prose, and increasing quickly. Right now the "invasion" section is by far the longest, with the 24 February section alone at >40000 bytes. The reactions section is also fairly long. Are there any other sections that can be condensed or split? >>> Ingenuity. talk(); 00:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Can we add a description about both Shell and Norway's Equinor announcing on Feb 28, 2022, that both of them are exiting their respective Russia operations due to the Ukraine Invasion Phileo ( talk) 02:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It's not invasion. It's military operations in order to save Russian people in Ukraine from Neo-Nazzis from Ukraine, USA, EU and UK. 31.223.132.51 ( talk) 12:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Add in the 1 March section "Belarussian forces were reported by Ukrainian authorities as having entered the Chernihiv Oblast in order to aid the Russian invasion, though this was denied by President Lukashenko. [1]" Guyfromearth2 ( talk) 15:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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As I cannot edit/reply in the above talk section. To clarify about the columns should be clearer "according to" or "for": The top FLAGS should have such clarifying text with them (It's not about identifying the flags as being Russian or Ukranian!) In addition, making it worse, the "per" is also unclear about meaning "according to" or "for".
So the division should be
FOR Russia + Flag / FOR Ukraine + Flag
Then, below "according to" would be better than "per"
Alternatively, According to Russia + Flag / According to Ukraine + Flag ..and below "for" would be better than "per"...
As before, thanks for the great voluntary effort behind the page, not least the map updates and the day-by-day invasion progress editing. 188.65.190.66 ( talk) 15:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Not sure where the best place for this is (maybe in the reactions section here), but it seems like it's probably worth a mention:
More than 100 diplomats from some 40 Western countries and allies including Japan walked out of a speech by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to the top U.N. human rights forum on Tuesday in protest over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Aluxosm ( talk) 16:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Here are some more sources:
Ukraine's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva led the walkout, which left a largely empty conference hall to hear the remarks by Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov at a conference on disarmament.
Dozens of officials, including those from Britain, the US and the European Union, left the UN Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva, Switzerland on Tuesday as a video message from Vladimir Putin's ally played.
Aluxosm ( talk) 18:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Done Here's the diff. Aluxosm ( talk) 18:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I draw attention to following situation. Some news appear in Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian media but Wikipedians don't use these sources; then Western media reprint these news and Wikipedians include it into the text of the article with references to Western media and without references to media published these news for first time (for example, the news about control of the cities and towns, about Ukrainian casualties, about Ukrainian refugees is regularly publishing by UNIAN and Ukrinform; news about Russian war censorship and anti-war protests in Russia appeared in Novaya Gazeta, The Moscow Times, Dozhd; the news about Belarusian paratroopers preparing to invade Ukraine were published by Belsat TV). This situation is unfair to Eastern-slavic journalists.
I suggest to consider the following media as reliable sources:
If Western media reprints news of aforementioned media, we should use references to both sources - Western and original, as a sign to respect to journalists working in difficult and dangerous conditions, often under threat of death or imprisonment. K8M8S8 ( talk) 09:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to add a link to the Belarus portal at the bottom of the article, given that Belarusian territory is being used to launch missiles into Ukraine, along with the now official participation of the Belarusian Armed Forces. TorreAzzurro ( talk) 09:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media threats to block Wikipedia due to the article «Вторжение России в Украину 2022» in Russian Wiki. [1] K8M8S8 ( talk) 19:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Let Russia do it. Nothing will stop the truth being spoken, and Wikipedians and the website itself should not be bullied by such single-minded fools in the Kremlin. They are not the boss of tech companies who stand for truth, and if those companies face such action, they should systematically threaten to shut down access to their services to Russian government officials. 5.64.106.84 ( talk) 20:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Having been involved in this talk page for 4 days now, I see lots of repetitive requests being made despite consensus having been established to the contrary earlier. Maybe we should create a /Current consensus subpage & transclude it here, as a quick reference for editors & visitors, like the one being transcluded at Talk:Donald Trump § Current consensus. This way editors will know what is current consensus without having to sift through archives and help improve the article. Please share your opinion & suggestions. Thanks! --- CX Zoom(he/him) ( let's talk| contribs) 17:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I am concerned about the map. Is it updated correctly? What I have read are the cities of Mariopol, Chernihiv and Sumy encircled. I also find it hard to belive that the big yellow territory north of Konotop is in full Ukrainian hands? Maybe a new color showing "contested territory" is a good idea? 217.209.60.112 ( talk) 16:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
There are flags and lots of "per" --
The Flags should have text titles with them.
Do they mean ACCORDING TO Russia/Ukraine or FOR Russia/Ukraine...and the "per" also has the double meaning ACCORDING TO or FOR... 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 22:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
"The US and others accused Russia of planing to invasion, but Russian officials repeatedly denied this". Please correct this someone.- 103.53.232.62 ( talk) 13:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
There's a lot of discussion around what Budapest really means. Here is the expert consensus, as I understand it:
- While physically there were nukes in Ukraine, they were controlled by the Soviets. It was more akin to U.S. weapons stationed in European countries
- Ukraine tried to convince the nuclear operators to defect and did some saber rattling around taking the nukes
- If they had taken the nukes, they would have had no way to use them or maintain them and the fissile material would have expired
- In return for not turning it into a bid deal/inconvenience, they got some concessions in Budapest
- Ukraine never had a clear path to becoming nuclear armed, nor did they ever really start on that path
- This false narrative around Ukraine having once been a nuclear state is being used by Putin to, in part, justify the invasion - he's pointing to the threat of a nuclear Ukraine
Here are a couple blog posts by reputable though opinionated arms control experts. They point to underlying scholarly sources which I don't have access to but you could take a look to confirm what they're saying if you have access to those journals: https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/207316/ukraine-and-the-1994-budapest-memorandum/ https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1215097/deterrence-in-ukraine/
I would suggest changing this to say simply that "After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine and Russia maintained close ties. In 1994, Ukraine signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances on the condition that Russia, the United Kingdom (UK), and the United States (US) would provide assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. Five years later, Russia was one of the signatories of the Charter for European Security, which "reaffirmed the inherent right of each and every participating State to be free to choose or change its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance, as they evolve".
The article on Budapest provides adequate context for the memorandum and properly explains this issue.
李艾连 ( talk) 04:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks for the responses - I'm certainly far from an expert, just glad this is being considered by people who deeply know the history (as it seems you do). 李艾连 ( talk) 00:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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22:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)The quality of the historic and geopolitical perspective given to the reader on the current event is that of a British tabloid, a reddit thread, a twitter post: unacceptable for a worldwide encyclopedia. See also #NPOV issue: background should cover natural gas disputes and #Right_to_adversarial_arguments.
This Historical_background_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War Wikilink is in fact a redirect to Historical_background_of_the_2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine, which is far as general as the previous claim, and is in quite a poor state. I am dedicating time today to improving the subject, help welcome. Maxorazon ( talk) 06:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
For some reason, the article goes to great length to completely whitewash the Ukrainian side and NATO from all responsibility fro the conflict in Ukraine since 2014 and lay the blame on it solely on Russia. Reollun ( talk) 22:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The An-225 was not operated by the Ukrainian military, (rather by a civilian airline) so it should not be recorded as a equipment loss in the infobox Chokoladesu ( talk) 12:21, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
uhh... anyone? Chokoladesu ( talk) 05:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
WELL ABOUT AN225, First it was not totally destroyed, it is damaged by explosion inside Hanger, this also partially damaged also. The Aircraft seems still standing, according satellite pictures. SO IT IS NOT LOST -- 90.186.219.179 ( talk) 00:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Just a note on WP:RECENTISM: as a current and ongoing event, there is a lot of recentism in this article. I'll quote from the page itself:
Recentism is a phenomenon on Wikipedia where an article has an inflated or imbalanced focus on recent events. It is writing without an aim toward a long-term, historical view. This can result in, among others:
There is fertile ground for editors to try to improve the article in this respect. Especially in the invasion section, all through the article editors are inserting content for individual incidents without an overarching historical narrative structure. This is causing the article to miss some key ideas, such as the stall of the Russian army, its failure to meet its strategic goals, etc. If we can start to get on top of this now, it will require less work to shape the article in future. Mozzie ( talk) 02:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
failure to meet its strategic goals- and what are these goals? I see none in the article. Are there any RS about these goals? I say the strate goal is to revive the New Novorossiya ("New New Russia") project, see Novorossiya#Impact in modern times. Loew Galitz ( talk) 05:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Surely we dont need to list numerous fake news generated by propaganda from both sides, but definitely something must be written about this, because this war is notable for its information warfare.
There is rightly a lot of coverage of economic sanctions but zero mention of cultural sanctions, which arguably are not much less impactful, especially in the context of "sport washing".
I can start the ball rolling with these two:
- On the 28th Feburary 2022 Fifa and Uefa suspended all Russian football clubs and national teams from its tournaments and competitions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/60560567 - The FIA cancelled the 2022 Russian Grand Prix https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60523049
Oiona ( talk) 09:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
There is rightly a lot of coverage of economic sanctions but zero mention of cultural sanctions, which arguably are not much less impactful, especially in the context of "sport washing".
I can start the ball rolling with these two:
- On the 28th Feburary 2022 Fifa and Uefa suspended all Russian football clubs and national teams from its tournaments and competitions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/60560567 - The FIA cancelled the 2022 Russian Grand Prix https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60523049
Oiona ( talk) 09:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Isn't it time to add EU as a Belligerent on the Ukrainian side in the infobox since many countries are sending weapons (with EU support)? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 10:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Belarus going to invade ukraine, and cutting of poland 217.171.226.115 ( talk) 10:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
In order to allow us to remove comments asking very basic questions, I think a FAQ may be in order. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Thinking of adding a section titled Online and Cyber Warfare for the nonlethal tactics being used by either side - Ukraine's IT Army, Anonymous, Russian's attacks, misinformation wars, etc. Anyone feel this would work? Sir Magnus has spoken! ( So can you!) 13:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Slovakia and Bulgaria are rejecting that the countries will provide fighter planes to Ukraine. Poland refused to confirm or deny. [1]-- Znuddel ( talk) 08:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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The note below the animated map depicting the Invasion of Ukraine states:
"Animated map of the 2022 Russian invation [invasion] of Ukraine over time. Currently goes to February 28th. Should be updated every day as events unfold" -MaitreyaVaruna
However, the animated video goes to March 1st; it states "1 MARCH (UTC+2)." If possible, could we update the summary below the video? -- MateoFrayo ( talk) 14:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Addition to economic ramifications.
Source: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/maersk-suspends-all-container-shipping-to-russia FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 15:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
In the lead, this seems to rely exclusively on a page from the NATO website. I don't really see any mention about this in Der Spiegel ref. Can a better source be found for this? I am sure there would be something else other than NATO website. Thanks. Mellk ( talk) 17:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, on German Wikipedia we are working on an article about refugees from Ukraine. Are there plans for such an article in English? I would like to help translating sections. Ziko ( talk) 17:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Prosecutor-General of Russia demands to ban Echo of Moscow and Dozhd. [1] Sites are already blocked by Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media. [2] K8M8S8 ( talk) 17:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Russia controls everything there and around it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.216.170 ( talk) 10:54, March 1, 2022 (UTC)
206.174.216.170 ( talk) 19:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC) This https://imgur.com/rQ0FHiS ?
Useful source? " The Mysterious Case of the Missing Russian Air Force". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Source: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2022/03/01/ford-suspends-joint-venture-operation-russia/6982264001/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAPwiki ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Multiple though unconfirmed reports have come out that Russian forces seem to have entered and taken Kherson
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-forces-have-entered-kherson-says-ukrainian-official-2022-03-01/ https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-01/russian-forces-have-entered-kherson-says-ukrainian-official https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1498789059124158467?s=20&t=SuxwZwWHIXAsilpVDzihbw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisersauce1 ( talk • contribs) 01:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Should Lukashenko be added to the commanders section of the infobox? Mjroots ( talk) 14:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The map associated with said likely needs an update. The USA is the next nation to do so. Source.--Surv1v4l1st ╠ Talk║ Contribs╣ 01:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
In the article, it is said, "On 2 March, guerilla hackers in Ukraine pledged to fight Russia through cyber-attacks." This is old news. The media covered this and annoucements were made on the 25th. Yet, it is in the article as happening now. Even in the citation, it is treated as not-so-recent. Mebigrouxboy ( talk) 03:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I realize this number may be 0 or minimal, but their denial should be documented, no? 216.193.170.144 ( talk) 00:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I think this 2022, March 1st article from Fox News (which is also verifiable on the Wayback link in the article) is an interesting insight into Putin's objectives/motivations. The article is Ukraine War: Russia state media prematurely declared victory, hailed 'new world' in now-deleted report. Worth adding? 78.18.240.139 ( talk) 22:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It's worth adding but use this source, Fox News is not a reliable source https://mil.in.ua/en/news/brave-new-world-of-putin-an-article-by-the-propaganda-publication-ria-novosti-which-was-to-be-published-after-the-occupation-of-ukraine/ MaitreyaVaruna ( talk) 22:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
While I don't necessarily view the content of the videos posted here as suspect, I don't think Voice of America as a source should be used here. Would Russia Today also be used in the same way? Voice of America is a state propaganda agency. Rando-user-here ( talk) 00:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I am notifying editors that there is a split proposal occurring for the Kherson offensive. Feel free to participate in the discussion on the talk page. Elijahandskip ( talk) 06:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The article for the 2022 Ukrainian refugee crisis was recently created. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 06:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hello! Would the information below be relevant to Section 6.2 Economic Impact?
South Korea's SWIFT ban against Russia is expected to immediately impact roughly 8 trillion won (approx. $6.64 billion USD) worth of shipbuilding contracts Korea already has with Russia along with Korea's car exports. South Korea accounts for roughly 40.6% of all automobile and automobile-related parts imported by Russia and maintains a vehicle factory in St. Petersburg. There are also South Korean home appliance, parts, and plastics factories located in Russia which are directly affected by the ban and expected to report losses. South Korea's national carrier Korean Air is considering cancelling direct flights between Incheon and Moscow, possibly as early as March 3rd. [1] [2]
On February 28th South Korea announced it will release some of its strategic petroleum reserves in an attempt to stabilize global oil prices as well as considering the option to re-sell LNG to Europe as part of "international efforts to support Ukraine" ("우크라이나를 지원하기 위한... 국제사회와의 공조"). [3] [4] South Korea is estimated to hold the world's 4th largest strategic petroleum reserve [5] [6]
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Bulgaria is not sending arms to Ukraine, said PM Kiril Petkov. There are sources of his statement. Nix3214 ( talk) 11:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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I have uploaded an image for the Propaganda part of the image. The file is Ukraine propaganda on twitter.PNG and is a screenshot of the official Ukraine Twitter account. The account can be found here and the tweet can be found here. KaptianKharisma ( talk) 03:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Technically, on a historical base, this is a confrontation that goes on from 2014 between 2 nations, so it is historically more correct to call it "Russo Ukrainian war" and not "Russian invasion", but this is a simple technical observation of a history appassionate, that can't do much compared to a general opinion of ignorance, so in this case we should change the name to the 2nd Iraqi war to us invasion of Iraq? 91.80.25.59 ( talk) 07:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The Russian government uses the tensions between pro-Russian and Nationalist groups in Ukraine and how the Ukrainian goverment handled this as part of their justification for the war. Think "Odessa massacre", the supposed involvement of nationalists in Kyiv, and the failure of the Ukrainian judicial system. This needs to be explained in a section, everything else will promote an incomplete understanding of the ongoing events. -- Jazzman ( talk) 09:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/01/ukraine-convoy-stalled-heavy-fighting/
Intralexical ( talk) 05:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Have tactical or battlefield nuclear, chemical or bacteriological weapons been detected on the Russian convoy approaching Kiev? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 ( talk) 08:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
There is the spelling mistake in the last sentence of the last paragraph of the subsection "Censorship and propaganda" - Poskomnadzor instead Roskomnadzor. Also, you can use the name Russian communications and media regulator to avoid a tautology. K8M8S8 ( talk) 07:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The last sentence under March 2nd events includes the typo 'Februar', missing the ending 'y'.
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February is spelt wrong under March 2nd - final sentence. Romknowmyst ( talk) 10:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
To add: information about Magomed Tushayev (since his article was created, then deleted, three times now). 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Should the info on Azov Battalion coating lard in bullets targeting Chechen muslims that was posted on the National Guard twitter account be added to the article? or wait until it is properly reported in the media.- UtoD 20:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey! about the "tank" that crushes the vehicle. It has been debunked and is still being shown in the article. Some example by press agencies: [5] , [6] , [7], Even those who see the complete videos, the place, the facts and the moment in time it happened realize it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.207.223.78 ( talk) 01:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
From [2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Russian accusations and demands|this section]:
>and no far-right candidate won a single seat in the Verkhovna Rada, the national legislature
But one of the sources in that section:
>one far-right party, Svoboda, is represented in Ukraine's parliament
The two facts appear contradictory, or at least 'sneaky' ('sneaky' as in, "It's technically true because one is referring to the Rada, while the other is referring to Svoboda"). When I first read that section, I thought there was _no_ representation of the far-right in government.
In general, is there a better way that paragraph on far-right nationalism could be written? Because to an outside reader, it's very confusing. On the one hand, it sounds like it's trying to completely dismiss the far-right nationalism claim (to quote the section as of writing this, Putin was using a "false 'Nazi' narrative"), but many of the links and citations have something that seems to back up little bits of that particular claim ( this link in the middle of that section gives me a lot of troubling cognitive dissonance and confusion). Perhaps to try to keep it NPOV, not directly contradict other articles in Wikipedia, and strike a middle ground here, it would be more appropriate and fit the available source material push the wording and tone to say something more like "While Putin's points on this particular matter do have some basis, analysts have found them to be greatly exagerrated?" That way, the section isn't contradicting itself so much? Fephisto ( talk) 01:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The discussion of Ukrainian nazification claim is being made in a shallow and biased way, for two main reasons. First, it is biased toward the (common in the West) view that nazists persecuted only Jews, or that Jews were the most numerous victims, which is factually false. Shallow because, acknowledging that invocation of Nazism is somewhat exaggerated (but not false, anyway), one must take into account the historical fact that German forces at Word War II killed soviets indiscriminately, leading to the (documented) worst genocide known to mankind [8]. For Russian people, many times Nazism echoes as Russophobia. Despite Putin's populistic move, it shall be acknowledged that the existence of russophobe active militias officially supported and paid by Ukrainian government [9], whatever their size, is a fact (not a fake). The use of Wolfsangel logo is not a coincidence [10]. In the context or Russian-Ukranian war, the continuous support of far-right, russophobe groups against the Donbass separatists is viewed inside Russia (by many but not all) as something quite similar in essence to the Nazi assault to soviets - a move to annihilate the Russian people (and by extension, Belarusian, since they were also victims of Nazi genocide). Finally, everything must be viewd in the context of the historical division of east Ukraine and central/west Ukraine; it is not possible to understand what "Nazism" means for a Russian or a russophile Ukrainian without understanding the dynamics of the internal Ukrainian divisions and the historical context of WWII's Soviet genocide. The western view of the Nazism is completely distorted in this regard. That said, one must also acknowledge that Putin's move is a populistic one; however, what is being claimed here is not a dispute of opinions, but a more comprehensive and factual expression of the context that dictates the historical fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.255.226.128 ( talk) 03:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
there is no widespread support for far-right ideology. That's correct. However neonazis are well-organized minority, and armed, too, therefore I can readily believe they are used as a brute force by some groups. Funny thing, some time ago I have read about clashes between neonazi groups, because they were hired to defend interests of different oligarchs :-) On a more serious note, neonazis were used to quash protests by small businesses and independent businessmen (ФОП - a cyrillic abbrev; there is ukwiki page uk:Фізична особа-підприємець with no link to enwiki, which would be translated as " natural person- entrepreneur" or "individual-entrepreneur). Loew Galitz ( talk) 06:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It should be said that Nazi influence is exaggerated, but cannot be dismissed entirely. Azov has state sanction; it is an official part of the Ukrainian National Guard. Also, the increasing rehabilitation of the UPA, an ultranationalist guerilla group during WW2. While not Nazis they were fascists who committed pogroms against Poles, Jews, and Russians and sometimes collaborated with Germany. 24.44.73.34 ( talk) 18:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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I just would like to thank all the writers and administrators of this article. Perfectly presented and developed, exalting the freedom to share true information.
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Lucas Lucas B. Lestido ( talk) 20:35, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Completely agree! I'm glad wikipedianians (Is that how you say it?) across the globe were able to help in creating and supporting this article with the underlying belief of truth and freedom. Regarding the imaginary beer's, I'm down. MateoFrayo ( talk) 04:41, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Haha, truth is not a belief. It is true whether you believe it or not. Janneman27 ( talk) 11:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't this data be in this page? It is clearly a humanitarian issue. Such reports came from official sources, BBC, Al Jazeera, different Indian and African channels covered this issue too. SReader2101 ( talk) 11:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Konotop's mayor still in control. https://novosti.dn.ua/news/321278-konotopu-postavili-ultimatum-sdaetsya-ili-ego-raznesut-artilleriej GordonGlottal ( talk) 11:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
2/27/22 the russians have stated that they will be arming nukes should we add this? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-nuclear-forces-ukraine-fighting/ due to this i feel like it is important to add your opinions? Diepanzerwaffles ( talk) 12:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Not sure what's going on but civilian casualties announced by Ukraine just went from 346 KIA to 2,000+ KIA. It is reliable sourced so I've added it into the article. It could still be some sort of reporting error though. Viewsridge ( talk) 13:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this into the subsection "United Nations" of the section "Reactions" of the article:
United Nations General Assembly overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia over its invasion of Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body. 141 of the Assembly's 193 members voted for the resolution, 35 including China abstained and 5 countries including Russia and Belarus voted against the document. [1]
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In the section titled, "Euromaidan, Revolution of Dignity, and war in Donbas (3rd Paragraph) it refers to - British journalist Edward Lucas described it as historical revisionism.
However, the hyperlink directs users to Historical negationism
I'm not an expert on the two topics, but this feels erroneous in nature or a simple mistake -- the historical negationism article also ironically instructs that it (negationism) should not be conflated with historical revisionism, a broader term that extends to newly evidenced, fairly reasoned academic reinterpretations of history. Happy to hear others' thoughts, or to get the edit done, I just don't have the access due to the protection. Cheers OfficerManatee ( talk) 12:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Please, fix the link #17 (about crashing of Su-25, in infobox). K8M8S8 ( talk) 17:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The key says countries colored pink say NATO is to blame for the invasion, but the map colors those countries orange. JorikThePooh ( talk) 19:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed frequent changes on Casualties and losses section. It was "Per Ukraine", then it became "According to Ukraine", now it is "Acc. to Ukraine". I suggest: "Ukrainian Claim", "Russian Claim" — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThalesMML ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Luhansk Republic" and "Donetsk Republic" to "Luhansk PR" and "Donetsk PR" respectively. Spartacus but Russian ( talk) 09:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The inset image with the caption French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said that the EU "will bring about the collapse" of the economy of Russia inside of the Economic impact section has a broken link for it's citation, it resolves to https://www.thelocal.fr/20220301/french-finance-minister-we-will-wwring-about-collapse-of-the-russian-economy/ when it should actually resolve to https://www.thelocal.fr/20220301/french-finance-minister-we-will-bring-about-collapse-of-the-russian-economy/
The description below the map currently only shows the date, but since the map is being updated so regurlarly, may I suggest that the time also be added? -- Sentimex ( talk) 12:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Typo fix in "Invasion" section, change:
"3 March The Chief Prosecutor of the ICC (International Criminal Court) announced that evidence was being collected of alleged war crimes, cries against humanity and genocide committed by Russian forces during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. This after 39 nations petitioned for an quiry to be opened."
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"3 March The Chief Prosecutor of the ICC (International Criminal Court) announced that evidence was being collected of alleged war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed by Russian forces during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. This came after 39 nations petitioned for an inquiry to be opened." 135.180.45.197 ( talk) 05:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better to change the colors to white (for the letter and border) and military green (for the background)? Ngfio ( talk) 08:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Lukashenko has officially denied Belarusian troops in Ukraine. Whether or not it's true it needs to be listed as (officially denied). Other countries have also denied. Also, I would argue that unless we have concrete evidence (and not only Zelenskyy's claim) we should add (alleged) but that's minor
Source : https://www.politico.eu/article/belarus-russia-war-ukraine/ Angele201002 ( talk) 08:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Looks like someone edited while I was posting so disregard this Angele201002 ( talk) 08:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please update the infobox with Ukraine's claimed inflicted losses: https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499311646690492417 P4p5 ( talk) 11:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was withdrawn.
I propose that the information about the invasion be split off into
Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 and
Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in March 2022. This section is the largest in the article and only will continue to grow as time moves forward. I think having timeline articles would be appropriate considering we have done so for other topics such as COVID-19. We should keep a monthly summary here of the most important details while the day-to-day summaries can be at the timelines.
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Under the Eastern Front section, change "Russian tanks where met with strong resistance" to "Russian tanks were met with strong resistance". Oktayey ( talk) 20:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi there,
I wanted to discuss the issue of graphic content on Wikipedia. Some of the images and videos show graphic content on this page or related pages. At the Battle of Kharkiv (2022) shows a woman with her leg blown off and many numerous dead civilians. Personally I find dead bodies less graphic than a living dismembered person. I think these videos should be treated with caution and perhaps are best not linked on any of the main articles since we do not know who may be watching them and they can come with little warning. I could not find much policy on them but thought I would ask here first since there is more traffic. Words in the Wind( talk) 17:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The page has finally reached a size that some content should be split/removed. Right now it's at around 90 KB of prose, and increasing quickly. Right now the "invasion" section is by far the longest, with the 24 February section alone at >40000 bytes. The reactions section is also fairly long. Are there any other sections that can be condensed or split? >>> Ingenuity. talk(); 00:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)