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I've changed the name. I'm not interested in either form of rugby, but I'm working on the menu system for British sport and it should be consistent. The category should really be changed too - a lot of Welsh people may wish that rugby league didn't exist, but Wikipedia should reflect the world as it is, not as we would like it to be. Philip 15:33, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC) There are two articles with very similar titles and overlapping subject areas Welsh rugby union seems to have simply been called Welsh rugby to start with, there is possibly scope to have a History of Welsh rugby union article but details of leagues, clubs etc surely belong in the Welsh Rugby Union article as the WRU are the governing body for rugby union in Wales and are responsible for running these leagues, clubs etc. GordyB 11:10, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You make some good points but you can't delete the WRU article as it is the governing body and other union governing bodies e.g. RFU, IRB have their own articles. What I think needs to happen is for those who want to keep this article to think of a new title and add the proposed scope to the discussion page. GordyB 10:12, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking of suggesting Rugby union in Wales myself, though the scope of the article needs to be defined. Social aspects clearly belong on this page as probably does discussion of the history of the game in Wales or cwpan (dodgy spelling) but details of pro leagues should (IMO) stay with the WRU article.
Interesting to see Tommy David elevated to the pantheon of 70s Welsh Rugby gods. I wonder what the likes of Gerald Davies , Merve the Swerve, Graham Price and John Dawes would make of it.
68.71.35.93
07:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
If you don't agree with an article, use the edit feature. GordyB 12:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
New zealanders that have played for wales at interNational leval please can you help me i was tolled that there have been 7 new zealanders play for wales but i can only think of 5= hemi taylor shane howarth bret sinkinson dale Mcintosh sonny parker
if you no can you let me no thanks dean
I'm amazed this page has continued without being deleted. References are nowhere, apart from a tragic story about a man who should appear on a page about mental illness rather than one of the national pride of Wales. There is far too much opinion, weasel words, flowery prowse and incorrect statements. Is there anyone with reference books and articles regarding the popularity and adopotion of Rugby Union as the countries national sport?-- FruitMonkey 11:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, over the next week I'll try to get through the history section of this page and then try to clean up or at least find proof for the citations that have sat on this page for far too long. Any ideas on where this page should head would be greatfully appreciated. I'm really trying to avoid making this page too National team or WRU centric as they have their own pages, so am attempting to give a flavour of what was happening to the clubs at grass root level and the economic and social impacts on and off the sport. So far the one bugbear I have in this work is that the page is very Southern, with very little information from West and North Wales. I completely realise that and if I don't address it on my first sweep will try to correct it on my redrafting. Any opinions or better updates highly appreciated. FruitMonkey ( talk) 10:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Re: Choral traditions. You're completely right, I should have moved rather than delete, I just couldn't figure how to connect this fact to the heading popularity. Singing does not show a sport is popular, it's more of a tradition. Maybe the heading should be changed slightly, or a sub heading. FruitMonkey ( talk) 05:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following:
"The number of teams playing in Wales at the end of the 20th century in no way reflected the popularity of the sport in the late 19th century, with many informal or 'scratch' teams populating most towns. Llanelli, as an example, in the 1880s was home not only to Llanelli RFC, but also to Gower Road, Seasiders, Morfa Rangers, Prospect Place Rovers, Wern Foundry, Cooper Mills Rangers, New Dock Strollers, Vauxhall Juniors, Moonlight Rovers and Gilbert Street Rovers.[6] These teams would come and go, but some would merge into more settled clubs which exist today, Cardiff RFC was itself formed from three teams, Glamorgan, Tredegarville and Wanderers Football Clubs."
as it is complete nonsense. There are more teams and players now than in the 19th century, yes there are fewer clubs but instead of being 15 blokes who played once a year they are proper clubs running often 2 or 3 full teams in each village even without regarding junior teams. To infer that there are less now is pure nostalgic rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.8.104.65 ( talk) 15:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The Rugby union in Wales article mentions a William Absalom of Abercarn RFC being lost to the league game Is there any details about this player? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy ( talk) 11:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The reference for number of registered players is now defunct (404 error). Similarly, in the 'rugby players by country' article wherein there are two citations, one of which is the same as used here, they are both defunct. Could anyone provide a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YorkshireNation ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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I've changed the name. I'm not interested in either form of rugby, but I'm working on the menu system for British sport and it should be consistent. The category should really be changed too - a lot of Welsh people may wish that rugby league didn't exist, but Wikipedia should reflect the world as it is, not as we would like it to be. Philip 15:33, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC) There are two articles with very similar titles and overlapping subject areas Welsh rugby union seems to have simply been called Welsh rugby to start with, there is possibly scope to have a History of Welsh rugby union article but details of leagues, clubs etc surely belong in the Welsh Rugby Union article as the WRU are the governing body for rugby union in Wales and are responsible for running these leagues, clubs etc. GordyB 11:10, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You make some good points but you can't delete the WRU article as it is the governing body and other union governing bodies e.g. RFU, IRB have their own articles. What I think needs to happen is for those who want to keep this article to think of a new title and add the proposed scope to the discussion page. GordyB 10:12, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking of suggesting Rugby union in Wales myself, though the scope of the article needs to be defined. Social aspects clearly belong on this page as probably does discussion of the history of the game in Wales or cwpan (dodgy spelling) but details of pro leagues should (IMO) stay with the WRU article.
Interesting to see Tommy David elevated to the pantheon of 70s Welsh Rugby gods. I wonder what the likes of Gerald Davies , Merve the Swerve, Graham Price and John Dawes would make of it.
68.71.35.93
07:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
If you don't agree with an article, use the edit feature. GordyB 12:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
New zealanders that have played for wales at interNational leval please can you help me i was tolled that there have been 7 new zealanders play for wales but i can only think of 5= hemi taylor shane howarth bret sinkinson dale Mcintosh sonny parker
if you no can you let me no thanks dean
I'm amazed this page has continued without being deleted. References are nowhere, apart from a tragic story about a man who should appear on a page about mental illness rather than one of the national pride of Wales. There is far too much opinion, weasel words, flowery prowse and incorrect statements. Is there anyone with reference books and articles regarding the popularity and adopotion of Rugby Union as the countries national sport?-- FruitMonkey 11:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, over the next week I'll try to get through the history section of this page and then try to clean up or at least find proof for the citations that have sat on this page for far too long. Any ideas on where this page should head would be greatfully appreciated. I'm really trying to avoid making this page too National team or WRU centric as they have their own pages, so am attempting to give a flavour of what was happening to the clubs at grass root level and the economic and social impacts on and off the sport. So far the one bugbear I have in this work is that the page is very Southern, with very little information from West and North Wales. I completely realise that and if I don't address it on my first sweep will try to correct it on my redrafting. Any opinions or better updates highly appreciated. FruitMonkey ( talk) 10:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Re: Choral traditions. You're completely right, I should have moved rather than delete, I just couldn't figure how to connect this fact to the heading popularity. Singing does not show a sport is popular, it's more of a tradition. Maybe the heading should be changed slightly, or a sub heading. FruitMonkey ( talk) 05:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following:
"The number of teams playing in Wales at the end of the 20th century in no way reflected the popularity of the sport in the late 19th century, with many informal or 'scratch' teams populating most towns. Llanelli, as an example, in the 1880s was home not only to Llanelli RFC, but also to Gower Road, Seasiders, Morfa Rangers, Prospect Place Rovers, Wern Foundry, Cooper Mills Rangers, New Dock Strollers, Vauxhall Juniors, Moonlight Rovers and Gilbert Street Rovers.[6] These teams would come and go, but some would merge into more settled clubs which exist today, Cardiff RFC was itself formed from three teams, Glamorgan, Tredegarville and Wanderers Football Clubs."
as it is complete nonsense. There are more teams and players now than in the 19th century, yes there are fewer clubs but instead of being 15 blokes who played once a year they are proper clubs running often 2 or 3 full teams in each village even without regarding junior teams. To infer that there are less now is pure nostalgic rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.8.104.65 ( talk) 15:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The Rugby union in Wales article mentions a William Absalom of Abercarn RFC being lost to the league game Is there any details about this player? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy ( talk) 11:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The reference for number of registered players is now defunct (404 error). Similarly, in the 'rugby players by country' article wherein there are two citations, one of which is the same as used here, they are both defunct. Could anyone provide a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YorkshireNation ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 24 November 2016 (UTC)