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Does this not refer to just England, or was he leading Europe? ( RJP 08:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC))
Are the following places royal forest or have they ever been such?
Bere
Alice Holt
Wolmer
Chute
Clarendon
I think some at least, are crown property, in the hands of the Forestry Commission and managed by Forest Enterprise but have they been royal forests in the medieval meaning of the term? (
RJP
10:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC))
Forest law existed within these isles for long before the Norman usurper decided to come here. It was only twisted to keep the robber Barons happy. HOWEVER, Saxon kings were just as bad. Brendandh 23:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems that the initial blurb related to the term at hand should encapsulate the definition rather than referencing it's historical context. The explicit meaning is not noted until the second paragraph and thus interferes with easy lookup. Does anyone agree? Proveyrhuman ( talk) 04:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if additional changes have crept in since 2008, but I can't find a definition anywhere in the opening paragraph. We're told that it is an area of land, and that it has different meanings in England, Scotland, and Wales. But we're not told what those meanings are, or what they might have in common. The first paragraph needs to state the definition as concisely as possible. Chalkieperfect ( talk) 13:16, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Some one (not logged in) has recently altered the date of the extinction of the wolf from 13th to 15th century. No reference is cited. Can one please be added? I have also flagged up this issue on Gray wolf. I know extinction was later in Scotland than England, but this article relates to Royal Forest in England, and so should give the date for extinction in England, not that in the Scottish Highlands. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Some one has just added London to the list of Forests. Is this really right? I know that places like Wanstead Flats (now part of London) were in Epping Forest, but surely there was no Forest of London (listed as London). This is probably vandalism (a joke?), but I am insufficiently sure to revert it. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
According to Manwood 1615 the first "English" Forest Law recorded, was that of Canutus/Canute/Cnut, Westminster 1016. Surely that is not Norman, but Dane Law.-- Richard Hawkins ( talk) 20:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Contemporary to Manwood or Canute? :-) I think all scholars accept the existence of Cnut's Forest Charter, see for instance the website linked to this page http://info.sjc.ox.ac.uk/forests/StatutesWebVersion.htm However, I'm sure they all base that on Manwood. I'll add another historical reference source to the page, Gilbert, who discusses the matter from a different perspective in his opening chapter. Cnut is a very real precedent to "Norman" forest law introduced into the British islands. They, the Danes and the Normans, may well have both shared a Scandinavian influence in law, in which property of land tended to subvert the principle of res nullius. I believe "The concept was introduced by the Normans" is incorrect.-- Richard Hawkins ( talk) 13:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 06:34, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Presumably that: << Forest law itself was established under King Canute >> has to be reconciled with the fact that Cnut's forest law as cited by Manwood, and others, is a forgery known as Pseudo-Cnut dating likely from the 12th century, F. Liebermann 1893 "On the Instituta Cnuti Aliorumque Regum Anglorum". However, there appears to be other evidence that the Danes did have a form of forest law, so why blame the Normans for introducing/instituting it in the British Islands?-- Richard Hawkins ( talk) 13:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)(with a Gallic shrug)
The list of forests mentions a distinction between a Chase and Royal Forest. A Chase seems to be similar in purpose, but could be owned by non-Royals, and had a (somewhat) different legal regime. Additionally, when a Chase ws owned by Kings, it seems to have been known as a "Royal Chase" and it is unclear what practical difference existed. In several cases: Malvern Chase, Cannock Chase the status is unclear: Royal Forest, Royal Chase, or just Chase owned by Royals?
Does anyone have any good information about this we could use to make this clearer in the article? Jim Killock (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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The term 'Common law' only appears twice in this article to tell us royal forests were completely outside the common law. I think a bit more could be written on how they interacted with Common Law. The article states that the highest court was the Court of Justice-seat, which is the only one that could pass sentence, yet only mentions offenders against Forest laws. What about other laws? If I live in a Royal Forest and murder or steal or make any other infraction against the Common Law or statutes passed by Parliament, what happens to me? LastDodo ( talk) 11:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
These are missing from the table GoldenWest65 ( talk) 10:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Quotes —
Does this not refer to just England, or was he leading Europe? ( RJP 08:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC))
Are the following places royal forest or have they ever been such?
Bere
Alice Holt
Wolmer
Chute
Clarendon
I think some at least, are crown property, in the hands of the Forestry Commission and managed by Forest Enterprise but have they been royal forests in the medieval meaning of the term? (
RJP
10:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC))
Forest law existed within these isles for long before the Norman usurper decided to come here. It was only twisted to keep the robber Barons happy. HOWEVER, Saxon kings were just as bad. Brendandh 23:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems that the initial blurb related to the term at hand should encapsulate the definition rather than referencing it's historical context. The explicit meaning is not noted until the second paragraph and thus interferes with easy lookup. Does anyone agree? Proveyrhuman ( talk) 04:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if additional changes have crept in since 2008, but I can't find a definition anywhere in the opening paragraph. We're told that it is an area of land, and that it has different meanings in England, Scotland, and Wales. But we're not told what those meanings are, or what they might have in common. The first paragraph needs to state the definition as concisely as possible. Chalkieperfect ( talk) 13:16, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Some one (not logged in) has recently altered the date of the extinction of the wolf from 13th to 15th century. No reference is cited. Can one please be added? I have also flagged up this issue on Gray wolf. I know extinction was later in Scotland than England, but this article relates to Royal Forest in England, and so should give the date for extinction in England, not that in the Scottish Highlands. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Some one has just added London to the list of Forests. Is this really right? I know that places like Wanstead Flats (now part of London) were in Epping Forest, but surely there was no Forest of London (listed as London). This is probably vandalism (a joke?), but I am insufficiently sure to revert it. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
According to Manwood 1615 the first "English" Forest Law recorded, was that of Canutus/Canute/Cnut, Westminster 1016. Surely that is not Norman, but Dane Law.-- Richard Hawkins ( talk) 20:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Contemporary to Manwood or Canute? :-) I think all scholars accept the existence of Cnut's Forest Charter, see for instance the website linked to this page http://info.sjc.ox.ac.uk/forests/StatutesWebVersion.htm However, I'm sure they all base that on Manwood. I'll add another historical reference source to the page, Gilbert, who discusses the matter from a different perspective in his opening chapter. Cnut is a very real precedent to "Norman" forest law introduced into the British islands. They, the Danes and the Normans, may well have both shared a Scandinavian influence in law, in which property of land tended to subvert the principle of res nullius. I believe "The concept was introduced by the Normans" is incorrect.-- Richard Hawkins ( talk) 13:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 06:34, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Presumably that: << Forest law itself was established under King Canute >> has to be reconciled with the fact that Cnut's forest law as cited by Manwood, and others, is a forgery known as Pseudo-Cnut dating likely from the 12th century, F. Liebermann 1893 "On the Instituta Cnuti Aliorumque Regum Anglorum". However, there appears to be other evidence that the Danes did have a form of forest law, so why blame the Normans for introducing/instituting it in the British Islands?-- Richard Hawkins ( talk) 13:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)(with a Gallic shrug)
The list of forests mentions a distinction between a Chase and Royal Forest. A Chase seems to be similar in purpose, but could be owned by non-Royals, and had a (somewhat) different legal regime. Additionally, when a Chase ws owned by Kings, it seems to have been known as a "Royal Chase" and it is unclear what practical difference existed. In several cases: Malvern Chase, Cannock Chase the status is unclear: Royal Forest, Royal Chase, or just Chase owned by Royals?
Does anyone have any good information about this we could use to make this clearer in the article? Jim Killock (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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The term 'Common law' only appears twice in this article to tell us royal forests were completely outside the common law. I think a bit more could be written on how they interacted with Common Law. The article states that the highest court was the Court of Justice-seat, which is the only one that could pass sentence, yet only mentions offenders against Forest laws. What about other laws? If I live in a Royal Forest and murder or steal or make any other infraction against the Common Law or statutes passed by Parliament, what happens to me? LastDodo ( talk) 11:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
These are missing from the table GoldenWest65 ( talk) 10:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
'Court of attachment has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 29 § 'Court of attachment until a consensus is reached.
Nickps (
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23:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)