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As of this moment, the article LEDE/LEAD lacks mention of the $Billions contained within the article. Nuts240 ( talk) 01:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
back for a moment to the Roundup article, it seems that an improvements on the Roundup (herbicide) citation of
would permit enhancing it to add a wikilink to Wichita Eagle, and better attribution to the authors.
Nuts240 (
talk) 15:41, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps you can look at the more recent/June 2022 item APnews, Mathew Daly, https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/court-rejects-trump-era-epa-finding-that-roundup-weed-killer-is-safe Court rejects Trump-era EPA finding that weed killer safe <be>For completeness I added the author names Nuts240 ( talk) 03:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
No mention of AMES and similar mutagenicity tests. Typically, positive results in the AMES test predicates to around 75% certainty (but not necessarily determine) carcinogenicity. To say, around 75% of chemicals that cause cancer come out positive in the AMES test. Also, not all chemicals that are positive in the AMES test cause cancer. For example, some mutagenic chemicals are broken down in the digestive tract, so they never get where they would do damage to an organism's cellular DNA. Anyway, I did a very quick Google search, and first thing that came up was a summary of 1996 studies from OSU (in Oregon), "Mutagenic effects:Glyphosate mutagenicity and genotoxicity assays have been negative. These included the Ames test, other bacterial assays, and the Chinese Hamster Ovary (CHO) cell culture, rat bone marrow cell culture, and mouse dominant lethal. It appears that glyphosate is not mutagenic." [1]Glyphosate: Mutagenic effects Glyphosate mutagenicity and genotoxicity. Where we discuss controversies about carcinogenicity, results from mutagenicity tests should probably be included for consideration. Catrachos ( talk) 20:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ Tryptofish could you clarify what you mean by "remove unproven allegations" in this edit summary? You seem to just be removing the number of overall claims (165.000) but I can't see how that is an "unproven allegation". Thanks {{u| Gtoffoletto}} talk 23:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
In the UK at least, for consumers (i.e. most of our readers) Roundup does not necessarily contain glyphosate. It is the brand name for a whole range of different herbicidal products. This one contains pelargonic acid, this one contains mecoprop and dicamba, this one contains acetic acid. It is difficult to find a secondary source stating this however, with this from the RHS being the best I have found so far. This is from the US in 2021 and although very brief, says that US versions also said that glyphosate was being phased out of consumer products from January 2023. We evidently need to try and track down some better sources, but it does irk me that the current article is misleading to many readers. As I stated over at Talk:Glyphosate I think one solution is to merge this current article into GBH and create a separate article which deals with the history of Roundup as a brand. SmartSE ( talk) 11:58, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
The Roundup trade name has been used by Bayer (and companies it has bought) for glyphosate containing herbicides. Other non-glyphosate herbicides have also been marketed under the brand that other active ingredients such as, vinegar, dicamba. . .It would have the same use as a separate page where redirects from Roundup searches could point there, and it could act as a hub to link people to either glyphosate and maybe glyphosate-based herbicides if the content on this page is moved to the latter. It could be split out into a daughter article if it reaches that point too. If a merge to GBH happens, that would free up this article's title for a redirect and would seem like a decent next step to help with ambiguity issues. KoA ( talk) 17:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Glyphosate has lower acute toxicity to humans than 94% of all herbicides and many common household chemicals, including vinegar and table salt. Glyphosate also has lower chronic toxicity to humans than 90% of all herbicides.KoA ( talk) 17:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
The move “is exclusively geared at managing litigation risk and not because of any safety concerns,” Bayer CEO Werner Baumann stressed during the call.[7] {{u| Gtoffoletto}} talk 17:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
"pretend"← sounds suspiciously like an accusation of bad faith. It's probably time this WP:STICK was dropped before this thread sails in sanctionable seas. Bon courage ( talk) 12:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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As of this moment, the article LEDE/LEAD lacks mention of the $Billions contained within the article. Nuts240 ( talk) 01:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
back for a moment to the Roundup article, it seems that an improvements on the Roundup (herbicide) citation of
would permit enhancing it to add a wikilink to Wichita Eagle, and better attribution to the authors.
Nuts240 (
talk) 15:41, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps you can look at the more recent/June 2022 item APnews, Mathew Daly, https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/court-rejects-trump-era-epa-finding-that-roundup-weed-killer-is-safe Court rejects Trump-era EPA finding that weed killer safe <be>For completeness I added the author names Nuts240 ( talk) 03:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
No mention of AMES and similar mutagenicity tests. Typically, positive results in the AMES test predicates to around 75% certainty (but not necessarily determine) carcinogenicity. To say, around 75% of chemicals that cause cancer come out positive in the AMES test. Also, not all chemicals that are positive in the AMES test cause cancer. For example, some mutagenic chemicals are broken down in the digestive tract, so they never get where they would do damage to an organism's cellular DNA. Anyway, I did a very quick Google search, and first thing that came up was a summary of 1996 studies from OSU (in Oregon), "Mutagenic effects:Glyphosate mutagenicity and genotoxicity assays have been negative. These included the Ames test, other bacterial assays, and the Chinese Hamster Ovary (CHO) cell culture, rat bone marrow cell culture, and mouse dominant lethal. It appears that glyphosate is not mutagenic." [1]Glyphosate: Mutagenic effects Glyphosate mutagenicity and genotoxicity. Where we discuss controversies about carcinogenicity, results from mutagenicity tests should probably be included for consideration. Catrachos ( talk) 20:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ Tryptofish could you clarify what you mean by "remove unproven allegations" in this edit summary? You seem to just be removing the number of overall claims (165.000) but I can't see how that is an "unproven allegation". Thanks {{u| Gtoffoletto}} talk 23:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
In the UK at least, for consumers (i.e. most of our readers) Roundup does not necessarily contain glyphosate. It is the brand name for a whole range of different herbicidal products. This one contains pelargonic acid, this one contains mecoprop and dicamba, this one contains acetic acid. It is difficult to find a secondary source stating this however, with this from the RHS being the best I have found so far. This is from the US in 2021 and although very brief, says that US versions also said that glyphosate was being phased out of consumer products from January 2023. We evidently need to try and track down some better sources, but it does irk me that the current article is misleading to many readers. As I stated over at Talk:Glyphosate I think one solution is to merge this current article into GBH and create a separate article which deals with the history of Roundup as a brand. SmartSE ( talk) 11:58, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
The Roundup trade name has been used by Bayer (and companies it has bought) for glyphosate containing herbicides. Other non-glyphosate herbicides have also been marketed under the brand that other active ingredients such as, vinegar, dicamba. . .It would have the same use as a separate page where redirects from Roundup searches could point there, and it could act as a hub to link people to either glyphosate and maybe glyphosate-based herbicides if the content on this page is moved to the latter. It could be split out into a daughter article if it reaches that point too. If a merge to GBH happens, that would free up this article's title for a redirect and would seem like a decent next step to help with ambiguity issues. KoA ( talk) 17:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Glyphosate has lower acute toxicity to humans than 94% of all herbicides and many common household chemicals, including vinegar and table salt. Glyphosate also has lower chronic toxicity to humans than 90% of all herbicides.KoA ( talk) 17:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
The move “is exclusively geared at managing litigation risk and not because of any safety concerns,” Bayer CEO Werner Baumann stressed during the call.[7] {{u| Gtoffoletto}} talk 17:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
"pretend"← sounds suspiciously like an accusation of bad faith. It's probably time this WP:STICK was dropped before this thread sails in sanctionable seas. Bon courage ( talk) 12:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)