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Why does the article use uppercase white? Graham Beards ( talk) 12:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Parks recalled going to elementary school in Pine Level, where school buses took white students to their new school and Black students had to walk to theirs:must be wrong.
I'd see the bus pass every day ... But to me, that was a way of life; we had no choice but to accept what was the custom. The bus was among the first ways I realized there was a Black world and a White world.an exception as the 'worlds' counter each other. Is it
a Black World and a White World, I am unsure. BlueWren0123 ( talk) 20:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
About two days ago, I began to make edits to the Rosa Parks article intro.
This was the original sentence:
"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) believed that she was the best candidate for seeing through a court challenge after her arrest for civil disobedience in violating Alabama segregation laws, and she helped inspire the Black community to boycott the Montgomery buses for over a year."
In my opinion, this sentence was far too long, so I split it up and rewrote it as:
"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) believed that she was the best candidate for seeing through a court challenge after her arrest for civil disobedience. Parks helped inspire the Black community to boycott the Montgomery buses for over a year."
Another sentence within the article which I thought I had fixed.
Originally: On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks rejected bus driver James F. Blake's order to vacate a row of four seats in the "colored" section in favor of a white passenger, once the "white" section was filled."
My revision: On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks rejected bus driver James F. Blake's order to give up her seat in favor of a white passenger.
In my opinion, the latter sentence is easier to read and does not remove any necessary context.
@ BlueWren0123 and @ Randy Kryn undid my edits, which I totally understand and respect but I do disagree with upon scrutiny.
BlueWren argues that my edits were "disruptive," while both users argue that my edits removed important context.
BlueWren argues that the part mentioning "violating Alabama segregation laws" is very important context. I disagree. I argue that there is no contextual necessity for editors to maintain this. In my view, the fact that Rosa Parks violated segregeation laws is self-explanatory and needs no introduction. Moreover, the rest of the article exists for detailed explanations.
Randy Kryn argues that "a row of four seats" and "white" section was filled" are two important pieces of context, but I also couldn't disagree more upon re-evaluation. Is it really important to include the number of seats? Why? Is it really important to include that the white section was filled? Why? It is my belief that this is mere fluff and nothing worth including in the intro.
Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable says the following:
"Wikipedia articles should be written for the widest possible general audience.
As a free encyclopedia, Wikipedia serves readers with a wide range in background, preparation, interests, and goals. Even for articles about the most technically demanding subjects, these readers include students and curious laypeople in addition to experts. While upholding the goals of accuracy, neutrality, and full coverage of the most important aspects of a topic, every effort should be made to also render articles accessible and pleasant to read for less-prepared readers. It is especially important to make the lead section understandable using plain language."
What do other editors think? VegitotheKnightmare ( talk) 21:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, I referred to the other article as a way of suggesting accepted knowledge. But I also referred to the RS National Archives source, which has info about both the seating and the law that was violated. VegitotheKnightmare, regarding your proposed text, my response is that it's not wrong, but would probably make readers wonder how and why she was holding an entire row. Here is a slightly revised version of my suggestion above: "...Parks refused/rejected bus driver James F. Blake's order that she give up her seat along with other passengers in the 'colored' section so the 'white' section could be expanded". I would agree that the number of seats is not relevant; the question is how much explaining of the situation should be presented in the Introduction. DonFB ( talk) 02:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
BlueWren0123 ( talk) 23:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Following on from the change of White -> white, I have also suggested similar for general statements such as a group of Black men falsely accused
where it is a generic grouping. I think that Black community
should stay as is. I will wait awhile to see if anyone comments. It would in any event be good for another editor to review if I make the changes.
BlueWren0123 (
talk)
12:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
The opening section calls her an "American activist in the civil rights movement." I don't know what the styleguide is here, but I feel like changing it to "American Civil Rights Activist" would be less wordy and more digestible. Silvanathecat ( talk) 13:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
There are a few sources connecting her with Order of Eastern Star freemasons in Alabama such as the library congress' subject file. I am wondering why there is no discussion here of this already, is it that the number of sources aren't very high, or that the authenticity is questionable? Katzerax ( talk) 06:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
I mean link it like this:
released white balloons
... on that text where it appears in the "Death and funeral" section.
Thank you. 2600:1700:25BF:9800:C073:822F:44B0:39A9 ( talk) 21:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
She stood up for what’s right strong black woman! 185.85.57.88 ( talk) 11:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Why does the article use uppercase white? Graham Beards ( talk) 12:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Parks recalled going to elementary school in Pine Level, where school buses took white students to their new school and Black students had to walk to theirs:must be wrong.
I'd see the bus pass every day ... But to me, that was a way of life; we had no choice but to accept what was the custom. The bus was among the first ways I realized there was a Black world and a White world.an exception as the 'worlds' counter each other. Is it
a Black World and a White World, I am unsure. BlueWren0123 ( talk) 20:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
About two days ago, I began to make edits to the Rosa Parks article intro.
This was the original sentence:
"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) believed that she was the best candidate for seeing through a court challenge after her arrest for civil disobedience in violating Alabama segregation laws, and she helped inspire the Black community to boycott the Montgomery buses for over a year."
In my opinion, this sentence was far too long, so I split it up and rewrote it as:
"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) believed that she was the best candidate for seeing through a court challenge after her arrest for civil disobedience. Parks helped inspire the Black community to boycott the Montgomery buses for over a year."
Another sentence within the article which I thought I had fixed.
Originally: On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks rejected bus driver James F. Blake's order to vacate a row of four seats in the "colored" section in favor of a white passenger, once the "white" section was filled."
My revision: On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks rejected bus driver James F. Blake's order to give up her seat in favor of a white passenger.
In my opinion, the latter sentence is easier to read and does not remove any necessary context.
@ BlueWren0123 and @ Randy Kryn undid my edits, which I totally understand and respect but I do disagree with upon scrutiny.
BlueWren argues that my edits were "disruptive," while both users argue that my edits removed important context.
BlueWren argues that the part mentioning "violating Alabama segregation laws" is very important context. I disagree. I argue that there is no contextual necessity for editors to maintain this. In my view, the fact that Rosa Parks violated segregeation laws is self-explanatory and needs no introduction. Moreover, the rest of the article exists for detailed explanations.
Randy Kryn argues that "a row of four seats" and "white" section was filled" are two important pieces of context, but I also couldn't disagree more upon re-evaluation. Is it really important to include the number of seats? Why? Is it really important to include that the white section was filled? Why? It is my belief that this is mere fluff and nothing worth including in the intro.
Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable says the following:
"Wikipedia articles should be written for the widest possible general audience.
As a free encyclopedia, Wikipedia serves readers with a wide range in background, preparation, interests, and goals. Even for articles about the most technically demanding subjects, these readers include students and curious laypeople in addition to experts. While upholding the goals of accuracy, neutrality, and full coverage of the most important aspects of a topic, every effort should be made to also render articles accessible and pleasant to read for less-prepared readers. It is especially important to make the lead section understandable using plain language."
What do other editors think? VegitotheKnightmare ( talk) 21:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, I referred to the other article as a way of suggesting accepted knowledge. But I also referred to the RS National Archives source, which has info about both the seating and the law that was violated. VegitotheKnightmare, regarding your proposed text, my response is that it's not wrong, but would probably make readers wonder how and why she was holding an entire row. Here is a slightly revised version of my suggestion above: "...Parks refused/rejected bus driver James F. Blake's order that she give up her seat along with other passengers in the 'colored' section so the 'white' section could be expanded". I would agree that the number of seats is not relevant; the question is how much explaining of the situation should be presented in the Introduction. DonFB ( talk) 02:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
BlueWren0123 ( talk) 23:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Following on from the change of White -> white, I have also suggested similar for general statements such as a group of Black men falsely accused
where it is a generic grouping. I think that Black community
should stay as is. I will wait awhile to see if anyone comments. It would in any event be good for another editor to review if I make the changes.
BlueWren0123 (
talk)
12:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
The opening section calls her an "American activist in the civil rights movement." I don't know what the styleguide is here, but I feel like changing it to "American Civil Rights Activist" would be less wordy and more digestible. Silvanathecat ( talk) 13:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
There are a few sources connecting her with Order of Eastern Star freemasons in Alabama such as the library congress' subject file. I am wondering why there is no discussion here of this already, is it that the number of sources aren't very high, or that the authenticity is questionable? Katzerax ( talk) 06:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
I mean link it like this:
released white balloons
... on that text where it appears in the "Death and funeral" section.
Thank you. 2600:1700:25BF:9800:C073:822F:44B0:39A9 ( talk) 21:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
She stood up for what’s right strong black woman! 185.85.57.88 ( talk) 11:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)