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-- Dicdoc 22:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC) 'Young golfing prodigy' is not a point of view. Any objective observer will admit that McIlroy's achievements place him under the category 'prodigy.' It is not a particularly qualitative statement. The reason people want to read about him is due to the phenomenal talent he has for his age.
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Rory is of a Catholic background, so don not change it again.-- 78.16.176.227 ( talk) 17:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Whilst i can understand that religion usually doesnt have any point in a bio like this and some will uses his religion to further there points and/or judge him and also that none of these things have anything to do with wikipedia, his religion is being remarked on by the press and as such has merit in the article. Eleutherius ( talk) 22:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Good, now I know he is catholic thanks to discussion page. That's what an encylopedia is for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.90.177 ( talk) 20:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
An encyclopedia usually just contains information of reasonable interest to reasonable people. Hakluyt bean ( talk) 23:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody on this page know anything about the history of Northern Ireland?? It is absurd to say that religion is not relevant to someone from Northern Ireland. If the media has remarked on it, and of course they will note it for anyone noteworthy from Northern Ireland, then it absolutely, positively belongs in the article. To delete this reference is a serious omission of relevant information, and is simply forces the reader to click to the "discussion" page to learn this key fact. Jrgilb ( talk) 02:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
When a person from NI succeeds on the world stage, it is perfectly reasonable to wonder what his religion is. It should be stated plainly in the early life section and left at that. It's omission seems conspicuous and self-conscious. Based on the discussion here, I'm putting it back in. Armandtanzarian ( talk) 16:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, yes he's a Roman Catholic, but he hardly conforms to the Oirish brigade stereotypes. He's an only child, comes from a prosperous part of Belfast, was educated at a mixed cross-denominational grammar school, holds a British passport and accepted an MBE from the British government. Reading the comments here reminded me of the late George Best, who was nominally a Protestant, but "wasn't interested in religion". And as someone commented, "it's a pity there aren't more people like him in Northern Ireland".
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Not sure you can have Northern Ireland nationality. Northern Ireland is not a nation state. It makes as much sense as "Queensland" nationality "Alsace" nationality.
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McIlroy's "nationality", in a golfing sense, is clear cut - he represents Northern Ireland. His profile on the European Tour's site clearly identifies him with Northern Ireland - [1] (flag in upper left corner) and [2] (Country=NIR). And the Official World Golf Rankings also clearly associated him with Northern Ireland [3] (Country=Nir). And his own web site [4] (flag in upper laft corner). - Tewapack ( talk) 04:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
@ Stu, you say above He is not from the Republic, the flag doesn't represent his birth place it is his sporting nationality and he represents Ireland, also NI doesn't have a flag so it is wrong on that account also. BigDunc 10:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Those from Northern Ireland are not citizens of both the UK and of the Republic of Ireland. They are born citizens of the UK. Irish law says the "are entitled to be" Irish citizens, not they are Irish citizens. They become citizens when they do something a citizen does, such as obtain a passport or vote. They can cease to be either a British or Irish citizen at any time by renouncing their citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.10.45.168 ( talk) 15:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
It seems pretty obvious to me that McIlroy's Nationality is not Northern Irish - since Nationality information will generally be interpreted to mean something like "What passport does the person hold?", or "What nation state were they born in?"
While the point of about "sporting nationality" is a good one, the table says Nationality, *not* Sporting Nationality. Andy Murray's page has "Country - Great Britain" (pedants might point out that the country is The United Kingdom of ... etc.)
Chris Hoy's entry calls Hoy British and in the same paragraph states his sporting representations. (that he represents the UK in Olympic and World Championship events and Scotland in Commonwealth events). This seems to me to be a good model - factually correct re. nationality and informative regarding his sporting appearances.
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Somewhere, there must be a better image than a largely-obstructed small image of his face. I tried searching Google but no available pictures were better and neither is 'Rory McIlroy Irish Golfer' from wikimedia. Hopefully one will come along. -- Jpboyrox ( talk) 15:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, it's a terrible photo. The man needs to go to a gym. He has a paunch and man boobs and he's only young. Definitely punching above his weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.85.65 ( talk) 12:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please change Rory's home town from Holywood, Southern Ireland to Holywood, NORTHERN IRELAND. Given the politicized nature of the country this is a point of fact that is important to get right. 50.98.144.9 ( talk) 23:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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Two errors:
1). There is no such nationality as Northern Ireland. Rory Mcilroy was born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, He identifies as either British (of which NI is a part of), or irish (which grants Irish citizienship to most people from NI,) or both (as a dual citizien). And he has identified himself as British, whether you, or the European golf tour, like it or not.
http://www.pgatour.com/2009/tournaments/r010/03/04/wednesday_transcript_mcilroy/index.html
2). You have the flag of St. George (the patron saint of England) on this site not the flag of St. Patrick. I refer you to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick's_Flag
Since 1800, this has been used to represent Ireland (all of it at one point and now just NI) on the Union Flag. Currently, NI has no official flag beyond that of the Union Flag and that is rarely used unless absolutely necessary so as not to inflame Catholics. Flags are a big deal in NI:
http://www.pgatour.com/2009/tournaments/r010/03/04/wednesday_transcript_mcilroy/index.html
If Mcilroy had identified himself as Irish, best to leave it off. However, he identifies as British, so put the right flag up.
On a final note, When did the Eurpean golf tour become the arbiter of nationality? The flag they are using was discarded as the flag of NI in 1972, as an act of conciliation. The flag on the European tour page is so politically incorrect, it's hard to know where to begin. For many Catholics, right or not, this symbol is associated with loyalists as it depicts the "bloody hand of Ulster" superimposed over the English flag. Removing the hand makes it the flag of England alone.
This inability of some people to put aside their personal agenda is what allows detractors of Wikipedia to find proof that it is not fact based, but opinion. It does
the whole of Wikipedia a disservice.
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Took out this text as it is likely that he will be in an out of the No. 1 spot ans we cannot record all these changes in the lead. Let the body of the article track his rankings and record all his wins, etc. -- BwB ( talk) 02:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
[5] ? -- Τασουλα ( talk) 11:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
The opening of this section has been referenced reliably and well to show McIlroy's reaction to being British/Irish. As he is from Northern Ireland he is entitled to either or both, if he chooses. The facts come from two articles, one relating to where he calls himself British http://www.pgatour.com/2009/tournaments/r010/03/04/wednesday_transcript_mcilroy/index.html "Obviously being British and playing well at the British Open, you know, there was a lot of media attention", and the other http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/11/sports/golf/northern-irelands-mcilroy-transcends-boundaries.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all to where he doesnt not wish to be drawn on the subject "Asked in an interview with the PGA Tour Web site last year whether he considered himself more British or Irish, McIlroy answered, “Pass.” " and his usage of a British passport "In the 2009 interview with London’s Daily Telegraph in which he said he would choose to play for Britain in the Olympics, McIlroy noted that he held a British passport". Murry1975 ( talk) 10:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Rory is a brand Ambassador for swiss timepiece maker Audemars Piguet. Just before the Ryder Cup, Audemars Piguet has released the 2nd video of their Defining Moment Series in which Rory speaks about Augusta and his win in the US Open. The video can be seen on Youtube under this address bkxq-r4_jBw. Do you think this could be added to the page ? The video is also featured on Audemars Piguet's website. Many thanks Chronocosmos ( talk) 10:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
You have the 2011 U.S. Open and the 2012 PGA Championship listed under PGA Tour events. None of the 4 majors are PGA Tour events. I would suggest creating a new table which lists his majors wins. X-15a2 ( talk) 20:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The double-counting between tours is very confusing; wouldn't it be preferable to have a single list of his professional tour wins?
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Some edits have been made that are leaning the article incorrectly. McIlroys place of birth is Northern Ireland (people are of countries or states not geographical masses, i.e. not Ireland as this is very incorrect). His nationality is Northern Irish ( WP:UKNATIONALS is a nice essay), also before someone points out he has represented Ireland- so in a sporting sense he is both- he competes in PGA as a NI player, the guideline is to list the nationality he has played under at the highest level, and that is so. And as we know (referenced in the article) he travels on a UK passport, so there is no inclination from him to garner the Irish citizenship he can if he was to choose to. Murry1975 ( talk) 22:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
If the vandalism persists, would it be possible to get protection for the Rory McIlroy page? Johnsmith2116 ( talk) 21:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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I find it curious that the Players Championship does not have a special section for all professional golfers. Currently, every pro has a Majors section and a WGC section, which details how each player fared in a given event year by year. Considering the fact that the Players is often referred to as the "5th Major" and it is included in the "Season of Championships," its omission is glaring. The Players is undoubtedly more important than WGC events. Many would consider the Players to be a more important tournament than the PGA Championship.
This proposed change of course isn't limited to just Rory McIlory, but all professional golfers who have competed in one of the game's MAJOR Tournaments.
Thanks - DeepFriedEgg
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I am removing "{{NIR}}<!--NOTE TO EDITORS. Northern Ireland does not have a flag BUT the Ulster Banner is used in golf competition as is Northern Ireland as the nationality. Please do not change this as this is the way WP represents Sporting nationalities.-->" from the Nationality section of the infobox for the following reasons:
1) Despite the claim, this is not "the way WP represents Sporting (sic) nationalities" - the 'nationality' parameter, in a person infobox, is to represent the nationality of the person, not who they represent in a sporting context, (I can't believe that needs to be said, but apparently it does).
2) 'Northern Irish' is not a nationality; people born in Northern Ireland can hold Irish or British nationality, or both, per the Good Friday Agreement. (And no, despite what's written in an earlier section here, they are not automatically both).
3) Seeing as it's to do with a person's nationality, the Ulster Banner - which isn't the flag of Northern Ireland - can't apply.
4) If the nationality parameter were taken to mean who he represents in a sporting context, then per the article text, "McIlroy has represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."; and "If I could and there was a Northern Irish team I'd play for Northern Ireland. Play for one side or the other – or not play at all because I may upset too many people… Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014." Seeing as golf is run on an all-island basis by the
Golfing Union of Ireland, it's be Irish we'd be using.
I am not proposing replacing the 'nationality' parameter with either Irish or British, at this time, because we don't know which nationality he holds. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
we should be reflecting reliable sources and Rory McIlroy represents Northern Ireland in golf: He does not represent NI in golf, as, being from NI and all, his sport's governing body is the Golfing Union of Ireland. Like the IRFU, Cricket Ireland, Swim Ireland, Hockey Ireland, and pretty much every sports governing body with the exception of association football, the GUI is organised on an all-island basis. Not Republic of Ireland. Not Northern Ireland. But all Ireland. His PGA Tour profile says he's from Northern Ireland (correct) and shows an Ulster Banner - that's their mistake, and we don't need to repeat it. Golfers compete as individuals in both the the PGA Tour and European Tour as individuals, not as representatives of countries. And we are reflecting reliable sources in the body of the article when we quote him:
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014."And again - the parameter represents the person; not the nation they represent. The American thing is unsourced speculation. Regards, Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
a lot of the time politics and sports don’t intertwine very well and this seems like a good example of that.PRECISELY!!! Now you're getting it! We should not try to shoehorn WP:FLAGCRUFT and an assumed, unreferenced nationality onto someone when the very text of the article states something contrary, not once, but twice:
"McIlroy has represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."and
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014.". Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
"... represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."and
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014."(Incidentally, if you maintain that 'nationality' represents who he represents and that that's Northern Ireland, then per point 3 above still applies: the Ulster Banner is not the flag of Northern Ireland. and hasn't been since 1972. It doesn't have one. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at WT:GOLF#"Nationality" parameter in Infobox golfer about changing the "nationality" text used in the infobox. Nigej ( talk) 07:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
"... represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."and
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014."
Ooggly, appreciate your contributions but please don’t fuel this debate or else it will become an argument and we’ll end up going around in circles! This may be a more touchy subject for some here so let’s just leave it as it is. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 05:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm not clear. Is the issue with the labelling of the nationality field (i.e. it need clarification as to what is meant) or with the use of the Ulster banner? If it's the former, this is the wrong venue to be having the discussion. If it's simply the latter, then it's very obvious that a POV is being pushed that is contrary the vast majority of coverage. wjemather please leave a message... 09:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
The author was a bit premature 😉 24.115.171.246 ( talk) 17:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Is it 38 or 47? The total by various tours is 47 Billsmith60 ( talk) 00:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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-- Dicdoc 22:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC) 'Young golfing prodigy' is not a point of view. Any objective observer will admit that McIlroy's achievements place him under the category 'prodigy.' It is not a particularly qualitative statement. The reason people want to read about him is due to the phenomenal talent he has for his age.
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Rory is of a Catholic background, so don not change it again.-- 78.16.176.227 ( talk) 17:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Whilst i can understand that religion usually doesnt have any point in a bio like this and some will uses his religion to further there points and/or judge him and also that none of these things have anything to do with wikipedia, his religion is being remarked on by the press and as such has merit in the article. Eleutherius ( talk) 22:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Good, now I know he is catholic thanks to discussion page. That's what an encylopedia is for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.90.177 ( talk) 20:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
An encyclopedia usually just contains information of reasonable interest to reasonable people. Hakluyt bean ( talk) 23:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody on this page know anything about the history of Northern Ireland?? It is absurd to say that religion is not relevant to someone from Northern Ireland. If the media has remarked on it, and of course they will note it for anyone noteworthy from Northern Ireland, then it absolutely, positively belongs in the article. To delete this reference is a serious omission of relevant information, and is simply forces the reader to click to the "discussion" page to learn this key fact. Jrgilb ( talk) 02:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
When a person from NI succeeds on the world stage, it is perfectly reasonable to wonder what his religion is. It should be stated plainly in the early life section and left at that. It's omission seems conspicuous and self-conscious. Based on the discussion here, I'm putting it back in. Armandtanzarian ( talk) 16:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, yes he's a Roman Catholic, but he hardly conforms to the Oirish brigade stereotypes. He's an only child, comes from a prosperous part of Belfast, was educated at a mixed cross-denominational grammar school, holds a British passport and accepted an MBE from the British government. Reading the comments here reminded me of the late George Best, who was nominally a Protestant, but "wasn't interested in religion". And as someone commented, "it's a pity there aren't more people like him in Northern Ireland".
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Not sure you can have Northern Ireland nationality. Northern Ireland is not a nation state. It makes as much sense as "Queensland" nationality "Alsace" nationality.
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McIlroy's "nationality", in a golfing sense, is clear cut - he represents Northern Ireland. His profile on the European Tour's site clearly identifies him with Northern Ireland - [1] (flag in upper left corner) and [2] (Country=NIR). And the Official World Golf Rankings also clearly associated him with Northern Ireland [3] (Country=Nir). And his own web site [4] (flag in upper laft corner). - Tewapack ( talk) 04:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
@ Stu, you say above He is not from the Republic, the flag doesn't represent his birth place it is his sporting nationality and he represents Ireland, also NI doesn't have a flag so it is wrong on that account also. BigDunc 10:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Those from Northern Ireland are not citizens of both the UK and of the Republic of Ireland. They are born citizens of the UK. Irish law says the "are entitled to be" Irish citizens, not they are Irish citizens. They become citizens when they do something a citizen does, such as obtain a passport or vote. They can cease to be either a British or Irish citizen at any time by renouncing their citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.10.45.168 ( talk) 15:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
It seems pretty obvious to me that McIlroy's Nationality is not Northern Irish - since Nationality information will generally be interpreted to mean something like "What passport does the person hold?", or "What nation state were they born in?"
While the point of about "sporting nationality" is a good one, the table says Nationality, *not* Sporting Nationality. Andy Murray's page has "Country - Great Britain" (pedants might point out that the country is The United Kingdom of ... etc.)
Chris Hoy's entry calls Hoy British and in the same paragraph states his sporting representations. (that he represents the UK in Olympic and World Championship events and Scotland in Commonwealth events). This seems to me to be a good model - factually correct re. nationality and informative regarding his sporting appearances.
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Somewhere, there must be a better image than a largely-obstructed small image of his face. I tried searching Google but no available pictures were better and neither is 'Rory McIlroy Irish Golfer' from wikimedia. Hopefully one will come along. -- Jpboyrox ( talk) 15:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, it's a terrible photo. The man needs to go to a gym. He has a paunch and man boobs and he's only young. Definitely punching above his weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.85.65 ( talk) 12:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please change Rory's home town from Holywood, Southern Ireland to Holywood, NORTHERN IRELAND. Given the politicized nature of the country this is a point of fact that is important to get right. 50.98.144.9 ( talk) 23:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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Two errors:
1). There is no such nationality as Northern Ireland. Rory Mcilroy was born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, He identifies as either British (of which NI is a part of), or irish (which grants Irish citizienship to most people from NI,) or both (as a dual citizien). And he has identified himself as British, whether you, or the European golf tour, like it or not.
http://www.pgatour.com/2009/tournaments/r010/03/04/wednesday_transcript_mcilroy/index.html
2). You have the flag of St. George (the patron saint of England) on this site not the flag of St. Patrick. I refer you to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick's_Flag
Since 1800, this has been used to represent Ireland (all of it at one point and now just NI) on the Union Flag. Currently, NI has no official flag beyond that of the Union Flag and that is rarely used unless absolutely necessary so as not to inflame Catholics. Flags are a big deal in NI:
http://www.pgatour.com/2009/tournaments/r010/03/04/wednesday_transcript_mcilroy/index.html
If Mcilroy had identified himself as Irish, best to leave it off. However, he identifies as British, so put the right flag up.
On a final note, When did the Eurpean golf tour become the arbiter of nationality? The flag they are using was discarded as the flag of NI in 1972, as an act of conciliation. The flag on the European tour page is so politically incorrect, it's hard to know where to begin. For many Catholics, right or not, this symbol is associated with loyalists as it depicts the "bloody hand of Ulster" superimposed over the English flag. Removing the hand makes it the flag of England alone.
This inability of some people to put aside their personal agenda is what allows detractors of Wikipedia to find proof that it is not fact based, but opinion. It does
the whole of Wikipedia a disservice.
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Took out this text as it is likely that he will be in an out of the No. 1 spot ans we cannot record all these changes in the lead. Let the body of the article track his rankings and record all his wins, etc. -- BwB ( talk) 02:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
[5] ? -- Τασουλα ( talk) 11:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
The opening of this section has been referenced reliably and well to show McIlroy's reaction to being British/Irish. As he is from Northern Ireland he is entitled to either or both, if he chooses. The facts come from two articles, one relating to where he calls himself British http://www.pgatour.com/2009/tournaments/r010/03/04/wednesday_transcript_mcilroy/index.html "Obviously being British and playing well at the British Open, you know, there was a lot of media attention", and the other http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/11/sports/golf/northern-irelands-mcilroy-transcends-boundaries.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all to where he doesnt not wish to be drawn on the subject "Asked in an interview with the PGA Tour Web site last year whether he considered himself more British or Irish, McIlroy answered, “Pass.” " and his usage of a British passport "In the 2009 interview with London’s Daily Telegraph in which he said he would choose to play for Britain in the Olympics, McIlroy noted that he held a British passport". Murry1975 ( talk) 10:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Rory is a brand Ambassador for swiss timepiece maker Audemars Piguet. Just before the Ryder Cup, Audemars Piguet has released the 2nd video of their Defining Moment Series in which Rory speaks about Augusta and his win in the US Open. The video can be seen on Youtube under this address bkxq-r4_jBw. Do you think this could be added to the page ? The video is also featured on Audemars Piguet's website. Many thanks Chronocosmos ( talk) 10:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
You have the 2011 U.S. Open and the 2012 PGA Championship listed under PGA Tour events. None of the 4 majors are PGA Tour events. I would suggest creating a new table which lists his majors wins. X-15a2 ( talk) 20:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The double-counting between tours is very confusing; wouldn't it be preferable to have a single list of his professional tour wins?
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Some edits have been made that are leaning the article incorrectly. McIlroys place of birth is Northern Ireland (people are of countries or states not geographical masses, i.e. not Ireland as this is very incorrect). His nationality is Northern Irish ( WP:UKNATIONALS is a nice essay), also before someone points out he has represented Ireland- so in a sporting sense he is both- he competes in PGA as a NI player, the guideline is to list the nationality he has played under at the highest level, and that is so. And as we know (referenced in the article) he travels on a UK passport, so there is no inclination from him to garner the Irish citizenship he can if he was to choose to. Murry1975 ( talk) 22:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
If the vandalism persists, would it be possible to get protection for the Rory McIlroy page? Johnsmith2116 ( talk) 21:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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I find it curious that the Players Championship does not have a special section for all professional golfers. Currently, every pro has a Majors section and a WGC section, which details how each player fared in a given event year by year. Considering the fact that the Players is often referred to as the "5th Major" and it is included in the "Season of Championships," its omission is glaring. The Players is undoubtedly more important than WGC events. Many would consider the Players to be a more important tournament than the PGA Championship.
This proposed change of course isn't limited to just Rory McIlory, but all professional golfers who have competed in one of the game's MAJOR Tournaments.
Thanks - DeepFriedEgg
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I am removing "{{NIR}}<!--NOTE TO EDITORS. Northern Ireland does not have a flag BUT the Ulster Banner is used in golf competition as is Northern Ireland as the nationality. Please do not change this as this is the way WP represents Sporting nationalities.-->" from the Nationality section of the infobox for the following reasons:
1) Despite the claim, this is not "the way WP represents Sporting (sic) nationalities" - the 'nationality' parameter, in a person infobox, is to represent the nationality of the person, not who they represent in a sporting context, (I can't believe that needs to be said, but apparently it does).
2) 'Northern Irish' is not a nationality; people born in Northern Ireland can hold Irish or British nationality, or both, per the Good Friday Agreement. (And no, despite what's written in an earlier section here, they are not automatically both).
3) Seeing as it's to do with a person's nationality, the Ulster Banner - which isn't the flag of Northern Ireland - can't apply.
4) If the nationality parameter were taken to mean who he represents in a sporting context, then per the article text, "McIlroy has represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."; and "If I could and there was a Northern Irish team I'd play for Northern Ireland. Play for one side or the other – or not play at all because I may upset too many people… Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014." Seeing as golf is run on an all-island basis by the
Golfing Union of Ireland, it's be Irish we'd be using.
I am not proposing replacing the 'nationality' parameter with either Irish or British, at this time, because we don't know which nationality he holds. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
we should be reflecting reliable sources and Rory McIlroy represents Northern Ireland in golf: He does not represent NI in golf, as, being from NI and all, his sport's governing body is the Golfing Union of Ireland. Like the IRFU, Cricket Ireland, Swim Ireland, Hockey Ireland, and pretty much every sports governing body with the exception of association football, the GUI is organised on an all-island basis. Not Republic of Ireland. Not Northern Ireland. But all Ireland. His PGA Tour profile says he's from Northern Ireland (correct) and shows an Ulster Banner - that's their mistake, and we don't need to repeat it. Golfers compete as individuals in both the the PGA Tour and European Tour as individuals, not as representatives of countries. And we are reflecting reliable sources in the body of the article when we quote him:
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014."And again - the parameter represents the person; not the nation they represent. The American thing is unsourced speculation. Regards, Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
a lot of the time politics and sports don’t intertwine very well and this seems like a good example of that.PRECISELY!!! Now you're getting it! We should not try to shoehorn WP:FLAGCRUFT and an assumed, unreferenced nationality onto someone when the very text of the article states something contrary, not once, but twice:
"McIlroy has represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."and
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014.". Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
"... represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."and
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014."(Incidentally, if you maintain that 'nationality' represents who he represents and that that's Northern Ireland, then per point 3 above still applies: the Ulster Banner is not the flag of Northern Ireland. and hasn't been since 1972. It doesn't have one. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at WT:GOLF#"Nationality" parameter in Infobox golfer about changing the "nationality" text used in the infobox. Nigej ( talk) 07:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
"... represented Europe, Great Britain & Ireland, and Ireland as both an amateur and a professional."and
"Those are my three options I'm considering very carefully", before choosing Ireland in 2014."
Ooggly, appreciate your contributions but please don’t fuel this debate or else it will become an argument and we’ll end up going around in circles! This may be a more touchy subject for some here so let’s just leave it as it is. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 05:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm not clear. Is the issue with the labelling of the nationality field (i.e. it need clarification as to what is meant) or with the use of the Ulster banner? If it's the former, this is the wrong venue to be having the discussion. If it's simply the latter, then it's very obvious that a POV is being pushed that is contrary the vast majority of coverage. wjemather please leave a message... 09:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
The author was a bit premature 😉 24.115.171.246 ( talk) 17:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Is it 38 or 47? The total by various tours is 47 Billsmith60 ( talk) 00:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)