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@Molobo: You said that "Buttiglione's views are not subject of debate here". I fully agree, I was also wondering what this was doing here when Roman Giertych is not even an MEP - it should be moved to the main party article. That said, no matter where we put it, as long as we have this piece, it should at least be accurate. Now, you modified my phrase "beliefs that many considered sexist and homophobic", stating the reason for Rocco Buttiglione's rejection, to "Catholic beliefs". This is inaccurate: He was rejected because many people in Italy and elsewhere considered them sexist and homophobic, and the majority of MEPs evidently adopted this view. (At least, to the best of my knowledge, no other reasons have been put forward). That Buttiglione's views coincide with certain Catholic values was certainly not a factor, given the large proportion of Catholic MEPs. Further, you stated that "claiming their are homophobic is POV". Obviously - but then it was properly labeled as such: Nobody said his views "are sexist and homophobic", but "many considered [them] sexist and homophobic". The first phrase is a POV, the second merely reports that such a POV exists. Can you see the difference? As a student of journalism and communication you should be able to, actually. But wait, I forget that at your university (?) fides comes first, and ratio second... ;-) -- Thorsten1 18:28, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I haven's seen a poll conducted among MP that show a majority believing views of Rocco sexists or homophobic.If you can provide them I will gladly see them.Furthermore Buttiglione did nothing more then presententing doctrine of catholic church.-- Molobo 18:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
You can argue about his views somewhere else.This is not the suitable page.Buttiglione didn't use the word "Catholic views" to defend themself, he presented his Catholic views during the interview.-- Molobo 20:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC) "Sorry Molobo, but - do you ever read papers other than, say, Nasz Dziennik? " I don't read it at all.But perhaps you should stay away from wiki if personell exchanges are all you care about.-- Molobo 20:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC) Still waiting for the poll of course.-- Molobo 20:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC) But I do thank you for providing sources which confirm that Rocco was attacked after presenting catholic views.-- Molobo 20:52, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for showing your personal bias.Your edits can be regarded from now as extremely POV and put under scrutiny.-- Molobo 22:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
My belief in its existance or not is of no importance to the article.However if you want to claim that they are no organisations serving to represent sexual minorites which were called homosexual lobby by LPR be my guest-- Molobo 23:27, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Are you able to post without personal remarks ? -- Molobo 23:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I have doubts about the so-called humiliation of Giertych. It was a minor incident, featured during one of interviews Tymek 04:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
More POV problems with this article. In the section "Attitude towards homosexuality", it lists an incident where he yelled something in Polish.
First of all, what was the march about? Was it "opposed to homosexuality" or was it opposed to the legalization of homosexual marriage? This needs to be clarified and sourced. It then says that this word he used is also offensive. The only citations given are to two dictionary definitions (one doesn't even work). This is WP:OR, and the section needs to be removed until someone gets an actual source for this incident and what he meant. Ostap 21:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture needs to be changed. 2A02:3030:810:6245:1:0:39E4:9FEF ( talk) 10:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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@Molobo: You said that "Buttiglione's views are not subject of debate here". I fully agree, I was also wondering what this was doing here when Roman Giertych is not even an MEP - it should be moved to the main party article. That said, no matter where we put it, as long as we have this piece, it should at least be accurate. Now, you modified my phrase "beliefs that many considered sexist and homophobic", stating the reason for Rocco Buttiglione's rejection, to "Catholic beliefs". This is inaccurate: He was rejected because many people in Italy and elsewhere considered them sexist and homophobic, and the majority of MEPs evidently adopted this view. (At least, to the best of my knowledge, no other reasons have been put forward). That Buttiglione's views coincide with certain Catholic values was certainly not a factor, given the large proportion of Catholic MEPs. Further, you stated that "claiming their are homophobic is POV". Obviously - but then it was properly labeled as such: Nobody said his views "are sexist and homophobic", but "many considered [them] sexist and homophobic". The first phrase is a POV, the second merely reports that such a POV exists. Can you see the difference? As a student of journalism and communication you should be able to, actually. But wait, I forget that at your university (?) fides comes first, and ratio second... ;-) -- Thorsten1 18:28, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I haven's seen a poll conducted among MP that show a majority believing views of Rocco sexists or homophobic.If you can provide them I will gladly see them.Furthermore Buttiglione did nothing more then presententing doctrine of catholic church.-- Molobo 18:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
You can argue about his views somewhere else.This is not the suitable page.Buttiglione didn't use the word "Catholic views" to defend themself, he presented his Catholic views during the interview.-- Molobo 20:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC) "Sorry Molobo, but - do you ever read papers other than, say, Nasz Dziennik? " I don't read it at all.But perhaps you should stay away from wiki if personell exchanges are all you care about.-- Molobo 20:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC) Still waiting for the poll of course.-- Molobo 20:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC) But I do thank you for providing sources which confirm that Rocco was attacked after presenting catholic views.-- Molobo 20:52, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for showing your personal bias.Your edits can be regarded from now as extremely POV and put under scrutiny.-- Molobo 22:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
My belief in its existance or not is of no importance to the article.However if you want to claim that they are no organisations serving to represent sexual minorites which were called homosexual lobby by LPR be my guest-- Molobo 23:27, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Are you able to post without personal remarks ? -- Molobo 23:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I have doubts about the so-called humiliation of Giertych. It was a minor incident, featured during one of interviews Tymek 04:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
More POV problems with this article. In the section "Attitude towards homosexuality", it lists an incident where he yelled something in Polish.
First of all, what was the march about? Was it "opposed to homosexuality" or was it opposed to the legalization of homosexual marriage? This needs to be clarified and sourced. It then says that this word he used is also offensive. The only citations given are to two dictionary definitions (one doesn't even work). This is WP:OR, and the section needs to be removed until someone gets an actual source for this incident and what he meant. Ostap 21:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture needs to be changed. 2A02:3030:810:6245:1:0:39E4:9FEF ( talk) 10:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)