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It may be useful to apply conventional formatting in order to distiguish between transliterations of the runes into Latin letters and the transcription of the runes into Gothic. This is a short explanation:
For readers who are used to this convention, it may be confusing if the transcription doesn't follow this model. Transcriptions would then be in italics.-- Berig ( talk) 15:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Taylor (1879:7) renders the inscription in the Elder Futhark, as ᚷᚢᛏᚨᚾᛁᛟᚹᛁ ᚺᚨᛁᛚᚨᚷ. (I say 'renders' because of minor variations between images of the characters as they appear on the ring and the forms of the graphemes he uses to represent them.) He does not give a transliteration, presumably as he gives a transliteration table on pg. 4.
Diculescu (1923:Kiel Databank) has the "reading" gutaniowihailag and the "interpretation" Gutan[ī] Iowi hailag. I'm not sure which is to be considered the "transliteration" and which the "transcription". (Berig, help me out here.) Aryaman (Enlist!) 15:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Düwel (2001:31-32) has the "reading" (Lesung) gutaniowihailag and the "interpretation" (Deutung) Gutanī ō[þal] wī[h] hailag. Aryaman (Enlist!) 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Krause (1966:Kiel Databank) has the "reading" gutani(o) (wi)hailag and the "interpretation" Gutanī (ō)[þal] (wī)h hailag. It remains unclear to me why the parens have been put around the (wī) and not the (h), but this is essentially the same as that found in Düwel (2001). Aryaman (Enlist!) 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
These are just first development thoughts from a new pair of eyes to the article and the subject. They are here for you to just think about it. Being mentioned does not necessarily mean they need to be changed, just that they need to be thought about so if they remain they do so because the writers want them to be there; and they are in no particular order - sorry people. If I feel the article needs further GA requirements I will cover that in my next review.
1. opening lead paragraph: quite short for a article of this length. It does though contain the pertinent facts, but according to Wikipedia:Lead_section has far too many wikilinks. If the descriptions are repeated in the article it maybe worth wikilink there, to make the lead a simple statement that someone could read and go on further having found out the level of information they wanted. The use of words and phases such as unclear / seem to indicate / leading to the assumption / have been proposed / Despite the lack of consensus / etc. throughout the article reads as if there is continual vigorous scientific debate about the subject. This is fine and as it should be but I think that a paragraph in the lead saying for example there is much debate about, .. ongoing research into... etc would prepare the reader for the examples of words and phases I have given above. Therefor the article makes clear that such and such is known as facts about the ring and such and such is conjecture, and such is still being discussed.
2. wikilink gold
3. wikilink AD and maybe insert a "one off" comparison with CE for readers
4. ...with relative certainty... meaning what, it can be read or it cannot be.
5. ...indigenous origin seems unlikely... Can this not be clearly linked to the following statement about Taylor, my concern is that you "make" what could be quite a controversial statement which upon 1st reading has no referenced proof.
6. Roman Emperor Valens in 369. - No AD or CE after the date dating should be consistant, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers).
7. photograph of the Arundel Society is to be taken as a guide: why can it not be taken as a guide?
8. Inscription: I would have found a key to the layout and format of the script useful, why some words in brackets and italic and some not. I know there are conventions on such subjects but a reader looking at this out of interest or for information might like me struggle a bit. This request may actually make the section to cumbersome but I am pointing out what I experienced as a first time reader to the article and the subject. It is for discussion not a demand.
9. references: [1] and [2] not working. Maybe a good idea to say what language a website is in e.g. Looijenga, Tineke link.
An interesting and knowledgeable article about a subject I knew unaware of. It does what a wiki article should do, informs. Thanks. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 09:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
My concerns over this were the vision of a comparatively high number of blue wikilinks in what was the 1st paragraph; these have been answered in many ways by the expansion of the lead (which I will say has been very well done) therefor the section is not predominately blue wikilinks anymore.
Many thanks for the fine tuning, (which is all this article needs as far as I can see at the moment) any concerns, thoughts please let me know. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 06:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
just a few thoughts, the article is as far as I am concerned ready for the final review. These below I have listed after going through the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and re-reading it. Yet again not in order editors I am sorry but trying to work on that.
hoard is wikiliked twice: intro and origins and (votive hoard, is linked to a particular point in hoard) would using the word cache instead in one ot two places change the meaning of the sentence(s) as hoard is used many times. I know the article is about a hoard, I am asking the impossible!
Conversions to and from metric and imperial/US units should generally be provided. There are two exceptions: articles on scientific topics where there is consensus among the contributors not to convert the metric units, in which case the first occurrence of each unit should be linked; look at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Conversions and maybe do as it recommends - convert the 1st one. I agree unless it is very important it would make the article difficult to read to convert all.
what about ᛟ /o/ - [[Odal (rune)|ᛟ /o/]]. Just a thought (and quite a bit of work). Or does it not fit into a convention of sorts. It does make clear that the whole thing is different E.G. ᛟ /o/ and ᛃ /j/. That's it no more I promise (well hopefully) Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 14:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
This is an excellent piece of work.Hopefully the article is stronger for all the effort you the editors have put in.
One more thing, take a look at the GA page - see if there is an article there you would like to review. You can get assistance if necessary. More importantly: I learnt a lot from this article, some of which I will forget, but I now know a lot more about the skills and culture of these people in their times, society and place. Thank you. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 16:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
edit conflict: ::: with that I agree but it is not a rule and not a requirement for GA. It is up to the original author if all else is equal. If it is changed (and personally I do hope so) it would not affect the GA status. I would though try to do most of it in one go though, so as not to have the mixture. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 18:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
This is a "good article" and I'm not expert about en.wiki rules, and so I don't want to modify the article by myself. I think that the sections entitled "Origin" "Burial" and "Date" should be moved to Pietroasele treasure (at the moment a simple stub) 'cause they talk about the treasure in general, and not only about the ring.
In this article theese three sections should be replaced by a summary and a {{ See}} or {{ Main}} template toward the other article.
I'm translating both articles to it.wiki, and I'm doing this move there. J alo 12:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
The map shows Gotland as part of the Wielbark/Willenberg culture. This is wrong. Gotland was never part of this archaeological culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.134.254.25 ( talk) 06:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
What is the size of the ring? Diameter? Weight? Did it go around the arm or rather around the neck? The 1875 drawing says "actual size", but of course the size of the 1875 print was not preserved in the scan. -- dab (𒁳) 11:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The article says that there are two rings with inscriptions. Never heard of the other; and neither does the article say anything about it. Imerologul Valah ( talk) 16:17, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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It may be useful to apply conventional formatting in order to distiguish between transliterations of the runes into Latin letters and the transcription of the runes into Gothic. This is a short explanation:
For readers who are used to this convention, it may be confusing if the transcription doesn't follow this model. Transcriptions would then be in italics.-- Berig ( talk) 15:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Taylor (1879:7) renders the inscription in the Elder Futhark, as ᚷᚢᛏᚨᚾᛁᛟᚹᛁ ᚺᚨᛁᛚᚨᚷ. (I say 'renders' because of minor variations between images of the characters as they appear on the ring and the forms of the graphemes he uses to represent them.) He does not give a transliteration, presumably as he gives a transliteration table on pg. 4.
Diculescu (1923:Kiel Databank) has the "reading" gutaniowihailag and the "interpretation" Gutan[ī] Iowi hailag. I'm not sure which is to be considered the "transliteration" and which the "transcription". (Berig, help me out here.) Aryaman (Enlist!) 15:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Düwel (2001:31-32) has the "reading" (Lesung) gutaniowihailag and the "interpretation" (Deutung) Gutanī ō[þal] wī[h] hailag. Aryaman (Enlist!) 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Krause (1966:Kiel Databank) has the "reading" gutani(o) (wi)hailag and the "interpretation" Gutanī (ō)[þal] (wī)h hailag. It remains unclear to me why the parens have been put around the (wī) and not the (h), but this is essentially the same as that found in Düwel (2001). Aryaman (Enlist!) 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
These are just first development thoughts from a new pair of eyes to the article and the subject. They are here for you to just think about it. Being mentioned does not necessarily mean they need to be changed, just that they need to be thought about so if they remain they do so because the writers want them to be there; and they are in no particular order - sorry people. If I feel the article needs further GA requirements I will cover that in my next review.
1. opening lead paragraph: quite short for a article of this length. It does though contain the pertinent facts, but according to Wikipedia:Lead_section has far too many wikilinks. If the descriptions are repeated in the article it maybe worth wikilink there, to make the lead a simple statement that someone could read and go on further having found out the level of information they wanted. The use of words and phases such as unclear / seem to indicate / leading to the assumption / have been proposed / Despite the lack of consensus / etc. throughout the article reads as if there is continual vigorous scientific debate about the subject. This is fine and as it should be but I think that a paragraph in the lead saying for example there is much debate about, .. ongoing research into... etc would prepare the reader for the examples of words and phases I have given above. Therefor the article makes clear that such and such is known as facts about the ring and such and such is conjecture, and such is still being discussed.
2. wikilink gold
3. wikilink AD and maybe insert a "one off" comparison with CE for readers
4. ...with relative certainty... meaning what, it can be read or it cannot be.
5. ...indigenous origin seems unlikely... Can this not be clearly linked to the following statement about Taylor, my concern is that you "make" what could be quite a controversial statement which upon 1st reading has no referenced proof.
6. Roman Emperor Valens in 369. - No AD or CE after the date dating should be consistant, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers).
7. photograph of the Arundel Society is to be taken as a guide: why can it not be taken as a guide?
8. Inscription: I would have found a key to the layout and format of the script useful, why some words in brackets and italic and some not. I know there are conventions on such subjects but a reader looking at this out of interest or for information might like me struggle a bit. This request may actually make the section to cumbersome but I am pointing out what I experienced as a first time reader to the article and the subject. It is for discussion not a demand.
9. references: [1] and [2] not working. Maybe a good idea to say what language a website is in e.g. Looijenga, Tineke link.
An interesting and knowledgeable article about a subject I knew unaware of. It does what a wiki article should do, informs. Thanks. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 09:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
My concerns over this were the vision of a comparatively high number of blue wikilinks in what was the 1st paragraph; these have been answered in many ways by the expansion of the lead (which I will say has been very well done) therefor the section is not predominately blue wikilinks anymore.
Many thanks for the fine tuning, (which is all this article needs as far as I can see at the moment) any concerns, thoughts please let me know. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 06:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
just a few thoughts, the article is as far as I am concerned ready for the final review. These below I have listed after going through the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and re-reading it. Yet again not in order editors I am sorry but trying to work on that.
hoard is wikiliked twice: intro and origins and (votive hoard, is linked to a particular point in hoard) would using the word cache instead in one ot two places change the meaning of the sentence(s) as hoard is used many times. I know the article is about a hoard, I am asking the impossible!
Conversions to and from metric and imperial/US units should generally be provided. There are two exceptions: articles on scientific topics where there is consensus among the contributors not to convert the metric units, in which case the first occurrence of each unit should be linked; look at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Conversions and maybe do as it recommends - convert the 1st one. I agree unless it is very important it would make the article difficult to read to convert all.
what about ᛟ /o/ - [[Odal (rune)|ᛟ /o/]]. Just a thought (and quite a bit of work). Or does it not fit into a convention of sorts. It does make clear that the whole thing is different E.G. ᛟ /o/ and ᛃ /j/. That's it no more I promise (well hopefully) Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 14:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
This is an excellent piece of work.Hopefully the article is stronger for all the effort you the editors have put in.
One more thing, take a look at the GA page - see if there is an article there you would like to review. You can get assistance if necessary. More importantly: I learnt a lot from this article, some of which I will forget, but I now know a lot more about the skills and culture of these people in their times, society and place. Thank you. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 16:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
edit conflict: ::: with that I agree but it is not a rule and not a requirement for GA. It is up to the original author if all else is equal. If it is changed (and personally I do hope so) it would not affect the GA status. I would though try to do most of it in one go though, so as not to have the mixture. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 18:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
This is a "good article" and I'm not expert about en.wiki rules, and so I don't want to modify the article by myself. I think that the sections entitled "Origin" "Burial" and "Date" should be moved to Pietroasele treasure (at the moment a simple stub) 'cause they talk about the treasure in general, and not only about the ring.
In this article theese three sections should be replaced by a summary and a {{ See}} or {{ Main}} template toward the other article.
I'm translating both articles to it.wiki, and I'm doing this move there. J alo 12:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
The map shows Gotland as part of the Wielbark/Willenberg culture. This is wrong. Gotland was never part of this archaeological culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.134.254.25 ( talk) 06:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
What is the size of the ring? Diameter? Weight? Did it go around the arm or rather around the neck? The 1875 drawing says "actual size", but of course the size of the 1875 print was not preserved in the scan. -- dab (𒁳) 11:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
The article says that there are two rings with inscriptions. Never heard of the other; and neither does the article say anything about it. Imerologul Valah ( talk) 16:17, 6 September 2022 (UTC)