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I'm curious to know about the assertion here that a Guardian article discussing Eastell was retracted. The article is still available ( here), which is hard to reconcile with the idea that it has been retracted. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 14:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
We have received a submission to extend the article, which is licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 only and can be found here. I will be adding appropriate sections from it into the article. Stifle ( talk) 13:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Eastell's autobiography is at [1]
And reads as follows:
"I joined the Department of Human Metabolism and Clinical Biochemistry at the University of Sheffield in 1989 as a Senior Research Fellow. I set up a metabolic bone service at the Northern General Hospital and am an Honorary NHS Consultant. I became Professor of Bone Metabolism in 1995 and received funding from the Arthritis Research Campaign to use biochemical tests of bone turnover to better understand the way in which older men and women develop osteoporosis and propensity to fracture.
Material in bold is precisely and exactly duplicated in this BLP. The source is cited, but exact copying of wording seems worse than problematic here - Collect ( talk) 15:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Note: this was added with a cc-by-sa claim by [2] in 2010, but that does not mean we can quote it verbatim without making it absolutely clear that the source is auto-biographical with only "I" being changed at all. The current site asserts simple copyright, so the cc-by-sa claim is not shown on the site given. Alas. Collect ( talk) 15:57, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Professional Life section rewritten - hopefully this should now resolve any copyright issues flagged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.167.109.154 ( talk) 07:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm being dumber than usual, but this seems to be a right muddle. There's an OTRS ticket about this article, 2016051910015053, but no OTRS permission template on this page, the talk-page of the article. Nihonjoe, Mdann, can you cast any light on this? Does either of you see a clear statement of permission from Eastell there? I ask because I don't. But if there is one, perhaps we could log it here and that would tie this up.
Stifle, can you help me understand what you meant when you wrote "submission from Prof. Eastell; CC-BY-SA3.0" as your edit summary when you made this edit (which on the face of it appears to be just a massive copyvio), and what you meant when you wrote above "We have received a submission to extend the article, which is licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 only". Why did you believe the text was useable here (obviously you did, I'm not questioning your good faith), and where did it come from? The page you linked to is a subpage that you yourself created (and which I've now nominated for deletion, btw). Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 00:40, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
143.167.109.154 ( talk) 13:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC) Institution consent given via email to Wikipedia licensing team on 01 March 2017 to allow for biographical information from the University of Sheffield website (originally written by Eastell) to be used on the wikipedia page.
143.167.109.154 ( talk) 15:16, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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Please could you explain why the most recent edit was undone. This is biographical information of a living person?
Anyone who wants to discuss the material repeatedly deleted (by @ Babdk63:) -- please use this section. It's evident to me that it belongs in the article, on the basis of the sources being used. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 06:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned in the latest comment when deleting the Controversies Section, Eastell was not found guilty, and as per Wikipedia's rules on 'guilty unless proven innocent'. this has no place being here (
):
"A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured."
@ Nomoskedasticity created this page with the sole purpose of highlighting the "Controversy" (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Richard_Eastell&oldid=319492232), which contravenes Wikipedia's rules.
If @ Nomoskedasticity is going to insist on reverting back to previous versions without any explanation, it feels that we need to get an
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involved. AFrozenCookieMonster ( talk) 12:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, as I have explained before, I am Richard Eastell's son - just want to admit/remind of this upfront.
I am just making some clear cut neutral changes initially (adding a link, fixing a misspell, adding in awards - purely factually), but am hoping to make/suggest some other additions in the coming weeks / months. Would I be OK to post these in this section (within the talk page) and see if anyone can help add them in (as I wouldn't feel comfortable doing this myself), or would there be a more appropriate way to suggest updates?
Many thanks. AFrozenCookieMonster ( talk) 15:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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I'm curious to know about the assertion here that a Guardian article discussing Eastell was retracted. The article is still available ( here), which is hard to reconcile with the idea that it has been retracted. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 14:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
We have received a submission to extend the article, which is licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 only and can be found here. I will be adding appropriate sections from it into the article. Stifle ( talk) 13:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Eastell's autobiography is at [1]
And reads as follows:
"I joined the Department of Human Metabolism and Clinical Biochemistry at the University of Sheffield in 1989 as a Senior Research Fellow. I set up a metabolic bone service at the Northern General Hospital and am an Honorary NHS Consultant. I became Professor of Bone Metabolism in 1995 and received funding from the Arthritis Research Campaign to use biochemical tests of bone turnover to better understand the way in which older men and women develop osteoporosis and propensity to fracture.
Material in bold is precisely and exactly duplicated in this BLP. The source is cited, but exact copying of wording seems worse than problematic here - Collect ( talk) 15:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Note: this was added with a cc-by-sa claim by [2] in 2010, but that does not mean we can quote it verbatim without making it absolutely clear that the source is auto-biographical with only "I" being changed at all. The current site asserts simple copyright, so the cc-by-sa claim is not shown on the site given. Alas. Collect ( talk) 15:57, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Professional Life section rewritten - hopefully this should now resolve any copyright issues flagged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.167.109.154 ( talk) 07:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm being dumber than usual, but this seems to be a right muddle. There's an OTRS ticket about this article, 2016051910015053, but no OTRS permission template on this page, the talk-page of the article. Nihonjoe, Mdann, can you cast any light on this? Does either of you see a clear statement of permission from Eastell there? I ask because I don't. But if there is one, perhaps we could log it here and that would tie this up.
Stifle, can you help me understand what you meant when you wrote "submission from Prof. Eastell; CC-BY-SA3.0" as your edit summary when you made this edit (which on the face of it appears to be just a massive copyvio), and what you meant when you wrote above "We have received a submission to extend the article, which is licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 only". Why did you believe the text was useable here (obviously you did, I'm not questioning your good faith), and where did it come from? The page you linked to is a subpage that you yourself created (and which I've now nominated for deletion, btw). Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 00:40, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
143.167.109.154 ( talk) 13:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC) Institution consent given via email to Wikipedia licensing team on 01 March 2017 to allow for biographical information from the University of Sheffield website (originally written by Eastell) to be used on the wikipedia page.
143.167.109.154 ( talk) 15:16, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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Please could you explain why the most recent edit was undone. This is biographical information of a living person?
Anyone who wants to discuss the material repeatedly deleted (by @ Babdk63:) -- please use this section. It's evident to me that it belongs in the article, on the basis of the sources being used. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 06:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned in the latest comment when deleting the Controversies Section, Eastell was not found guilty, and as per Wikipedia's rules on 'guilty unless proven innocent'. this has no place being here (
):
"A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured."
@ Nomoskedasticity created this page with the sole purpose of highlighting the "Controversy" (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Richard_Eastell&oldid=319492232), which contravenes Wikipedia's rules.
If @ Nomoskedasticity is going to insist on reverting back to previous versions without any explanation, it feels that we need to get an
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involved. AFrozenCookieMonster ( talk) 12:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, as I have explained before, I am Richard Eastell's son - just want to admit/remind of this upfront.
I am just making some clear cut neutral changes initially (adding a link, fixing a misspell, adding in awards - purely factually), but am hoping to make/suggest some other additions in the coming weeks / months. Would I be OK to post these in this section (within the talk page) and see if anyone can help add them in (as I wouldn't feel comfortable doing this myself), or would there be a more appropriate way to suggest updates?
Many thanks. AFrozenCookieMonster ( talk) 15:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)