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BetacommandBot 02:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
The current chat over whether Carew should be described as English, British or Cornish is interesting. I looked at some of the sources. There is one which describes him as a Cornish gentlemen who is 'a lover of his country', which I would take to mean England, given the context? I looked at Carew's last work, ‘The Excellency of the English tongue,' which was written as a rebuttal and an affirmation of English, English culture/England. Halbared ( talk) 19:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
I had also made a more painful than perfect collection of most of the Cornish gentlemen's names and arms, but because the publishing thereof might perhaps go accompanied with divers wrongs, to my much reverenced friends the heralds by thrusting my sickle into their harvest, to a great many [of] my countrymen whom my want of information should be forced to pass over unmentionedcountry may refer to
district, region, [or] quarterrather than a nation. See https://www.shakespeareswords.com/Public/Glossary.aspx as Carew was a contemporary of Shakespeare. TSventon ( talk) 19:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Cornish gentlemenand describing them as
my countrymen, or at least this is how I interpret it. I have no idea whether this means Carew 'thought of himself as Cornish', which is why I prefer to base this sort of thing on (the majority of) modern-ish reliable sources. Perhaps I can yet find a more explicit quotation from Carew himself. Tewdar 19:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
[Charles to all] O that I were some other countryman! [i.e. a citizen of some other country]🤔 Tewdar 19:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Carew was orginally described in the lead without any nationality/ethnicity, merely noting he was from Cornwall. However in this edit [1], GrindtXX changed that to say he is Cornish. This was February 2018. This was changed boldly 4 and a half years later by an editor I won't ping in as they are banned [2] (November 2022). Two edits, but a year an a half later an IP put it back to Cornish. This was reverted. Tewdar more recently tried the same and was reverted despite mentioning sources. Then, today, Smasongarrison boldly changed it to English, with an edsum "fixed lead".
Now, MOS:NATIONALITY AKA WP:ETHNICITY addresses UK nationalities in note a. It reads:
There is no categorical preference between describing a person as British rather than as English, Scottish, or Welsh. Decisions on which label to use should be determined through discussions and consensus. The label must not be changed arbitrarily. To come to a consensus, editors should consider how reliable sources refer to the subject, particularly UK reliable sources, and whether the subject has a preferred nationality by which they identify.
The status quo for the longest period was clearly "Cornish", but the note above does not specifically mention Cornish. The change to British was bold on a low traffic page, and went unchallenged for some time but just 2 edits later was reverted. So I have reverted to the status quo, and now I think we need to do as the note says and come to a decision on which is best. I note some discussion above. I don't see a consensus for British, English or Cornish. And Cornish is acceptable if that is what the sources say. Although not being listed in our note, there are claims to Cornish nationality based on linguistic and cultural factors that would be just as appropriate as for Welsh or Scottish. So MOS:NATIONALITY applies and now we need to review the sources. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 08:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot 02:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
The current chat over whether Carew should be described as English, British or Cornish is interesting. I looked at some of the sources. There is one which describes him as a Cornish gentlemen who is 'a lover of his country', which I would take to mean England, given the context? I looked at Carew's last work, ‘The Excellency of the English tongue,' which was written as a rebuttal and an affirmation of English, English culture/England. Halbared ( talk) 19:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
I had also made a more painful than perfect collection of most of the Cornish gentlemen's names and arms, but because the publishing thereof might perhaps go accompanied with divers wrongs, to my much reverenced friends the heralds by thrusting my sickle into their harvest, to a great many [of] my countrymen whom my want of information should be forced to pass over unmentionedcountry may refer to
district, region, [or] quarterrather than a nation. See https://www.shakespeareswords.com/Public/Glossary.aspx as Carew was a contemporary of Shakespeare. TSventon ( talk) 19:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Cornish gentlemenand describing them as
my countrymen, or at least this is how I interpret it. I have no idea whether this means Carew 'thought of himself as Cornish', which is why I prefer to base this sort of thing on (the majority of) modern-ish reliable sources. Perhaps I can yet find a more explicit quotation from Carew himself. Tewdar 19:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
[Charles to all] O that I were some other countryman! [i.e. a citizen of some other country]🤔 Tewdar 19:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Carew was orginally described in the lead without any nationality/ethnicity, merely noting he was from Cornwall. However in this edit [1], GrindtXX changed that to say he is Cornish. This was February 2018. This was changed boldly 4 and a half years later by an editor I won't ping in as they are banned [2] (November 2022). Two edits, but a year an a half later an IP put it back to Cornish. This was reverted. Tewdar more recently tried the same and was reverted despite mentioning sources. Then, today, Smasongarrison boldly changed it to English, with an edsum "fixed lead".
Now, MOS:NATIONALITY AKA WP:ETHNICITY addresses UK nationalities in note a. It reads:
There is no categorical preference between describing a person as British rather than as English, Scottish, or Welsh. Decisions on which label to use should be determined through discussions and consensus. The label must not be changed arbitrarily. To come to a consensus, editors should consider how reliable sources refer to the subject, particularly UK reliable sources, and whether the subject has a preferred nationality by which they identify.
The status quo for the longest period was clearly "Cornish", but the note above does not specifically mention Cornish. The change to British was bold on a low traffic page, and went unchallenged for some time but just 2 edits later was reverted. So I have reverted to the status quo, and now I think we need to do as the note says and come to a decision on which is best. I note some discussion above. I don't see a consensus for British, English or Cornish. And Cornish is acceptable if that is what the sources say. Although not being listed in our note, there are claims to Cornish nationality based on linguistic and cultural factors that would be just as appropriate as for Welsh or Scottish. So MOS:NATIONALITY applies and now we need to review the sources. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 08:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)