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A constitutional referendum was held yesterday. The approved changes included a rename of the country to Artsakh (formally 'Republic of Artsakh'). Artsakh is already taken by another article. Just wondering when and where we should move this article? Number 5 7 10:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
The title of this page is here due to the common term of "Nagorno-Karabakh" needing disambiguation. Constitutional changes do not affect the common name. Instead, news over the next few months should be watched to see if "Artsakh", which was already in use, becomes the more common standard. (And also to see if the formal name in English will be "Republic of Artsakh" or "Artsakh Republic", both of which I've seen.) CMD ( talk) 05:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
The Republic of Artsakh (formerly Nagorno-Karabakh Republic recently voted for an official name change.
http://armenianweekly.com/2017/02/21/artsakh-votes-for-new-constitution-officially-renames-the-republic/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shant03 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Yesterday people of Artsakh voted for name-changing. Now the official name of the country is Republic of Artsakh.: Republic of Artsakh! -- Harut ( talk) 05:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Clear and valid consensus, but see closing comment below. Andrewa ( talk) 20:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Nagorno-Karabakh Republic → Republic of Artsakh – The new name. I see it in a few places in English and altho it's not common yet, it is their name (which can also be translated Artsakh Republic. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 19:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Some ... enterprising chap has decided to undo pretty much every rename from NKR to Artsakh. I've told them this was bad and unhelpful, maybe they'll explain themselves! But until then we should probably start fixing their mess. Or, we could wait and make sure they won't simply undo it. Or, we do it anyway so that when they do undo it, they're blocked for edit warring. Either way. -- Golbez ( talk) 13:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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I wanted to start a discussion regarding a number of articles relating to the Republic of Artsakh. I think it's easier to have a joint discussion regarding all of the articles rather than having separate ones as the issue is the same for all of them. Once I saw that this article was moved, I began moving the articles that use the name "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic to "Republic of Artsakh" and "Nagorno-Karabakh" to "Artsakh". However, after I moved certain articles, that move was reversed. Those articles include, History of Nagorno-Karabakh, Culture of Artsakh, Music of Artsakh, Religion in Nagorno-Karabakh and List of mosques in Nagorno-Karabakh. I am sure that there are more types of articles that would relate to this issue. Culture of Artsakh and Music of Artsakh were both reverted back by me after the user and I both left comments here. It is very clear that Artsakh should be used for the name of those two articles as they clearly refer to the cultures and music of the self-declared republic. The user's argument for reverting the other articles was that "Nagorno-Karabakh" is the neutral term for the region while "Artsakh" is solely the Armenian name, however from what I got from the discussion to move this page and the actual articles of Republic of Artsakh and Nagorno-Karabakh the areas currently controlled by the de facto independent republic are referred to as "Republic of Artsakh" or simply "Artsakh" and the territory of the former Nagorno-Karabakh AO are referred to as "Nagorno-Karabakh".
With that being said, my personal opinion is that the following articles should also be renamed to reflect the name move that occurred here, as articles such as History of Nagorno-Karabakh refer to the areas currently controlled by the self-proclaimed republic rather than just the territories of the former Nagorno-Karabakh AO. It also makes all of the articles relating to this topic a lot more consistent and less confusing. Please share your opinion about this issue so that we can come to a consensus. Thank you. -- Growupon ( talk) 15:54, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
The "|country_code NKR" isn't working and displaying properly because:
Replacing "|country_code= NKR" with "|iso3166code= omit" fixes the problem. Feel free to make the edit. 2001:569:79AE:3200:A028:B373:8CF:68CA ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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pronunciation of Artsakh is given in IPA code as (/ɑːrtsɑːk/), but actually last consonant should be "x", which is valid IPA letter. See Help:IPA, Voiceless_velar_fricative.
Any other opinions? Darwwin ( talk) 06:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't notice the comment about it, so I'll just report it here for discussion afterwards: I added the name of the capital, Stepanakert, to the intro. – gpvos (talk) 17:59, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
The lead is self-contradictory. It says that Artsakh is de facto independent and de facto part of Armenia. So which state of affairs is actually more factual? — Kpalion (talk) 12:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
is a de facto independent country in the South Caucasus, internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan.would be a confusing introduction for someone who has never heard of Artsakh. Seraphim System ( talk) 15:45, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Artsakh is a self-proclaimed independent country, which is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan and functions de facto as part of Armenia.— Kpalion (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
In geopolitics, everything is someone's opinion.is an incredibly problematic thing to say on Wikipedia. It's an opinion that Artsakh is actually part of Armenia. It's not an opinion that it does in fact exist (de facto). It's not an opinion that the international community recognizes it as being within the borders of Azerbaijan (to state that it's not recognized by the international community is simply saying that they said what they said they said, not using Wikipedia's voice to offer an opinionated perspective on it). Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
I want to change
{{lang-hy|Արցախի Հանրապետություն}}, ''{{lang|hy-Latn|Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun}}''; [[Azerbaijani language|Azerbaijani]]: Artsax Respublikası),
Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun; Azerbaijani: Artsax Respublikası),
To:
{{lang-hy|Արցախի Հանրապետություն}}, {{lang|hy-Latn|Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun}}; {{lang-az|Artsax Respublikası}}),
Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun; Azerbaijani: Artsax Respublikası),
This really should not be controversial. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 20:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Seems as if there should be some mention of Christianity around this point in the History section. - Snori ( talk) 23:04, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
The below sentence looks like POV as it doesn't shows any reference or doesn't state after which year and which war between Persians and Romans. Can someone give more information?
Following wars with the Romans and Persians, Armenia was partitioned between the two empires. Artsakh was removed from Persian Armenia and included into the neighbouring satrapy of Arran.
Mirhasanov ( talk) 14:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I updated the unsourced figures given for the area of the Republic of Artsakh, according to Encyclopedia Britannica's entry covering the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, which the Wikipedia article states is a synonym for it, and which redirects to the article. Britannica's entry begins:
Nagorno-Karabakh, also spelled Nagorno-Karabach, Azerbaijani Dağlıq Qarabağ, Armenian Artsakh, region of southwestern Azerbaijan. The name is also used to refer to an autonomous oblast (province) of the former Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (S.S.R.) and to the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, a self-declared country whose independence is not internationally recognized. The old autonomous region occupied an area of about 1,700 square miles (4,400 square km), while the forces of the self-proclaimed Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh presently occupy some 2,700 square miles (7,000 square km). [1]
It was reverted, and the citation was removed, by
Darwwin, with the explanation: "the citation provided does not refer to Republik of Artsakh, but rather to the Nagorno-Karabakh region, which implies old Soviet-age boundaries, which are not more valid
". Darwwin, you are mistaken about that. The first figures given (1700/4400) are for the former region, while the second set (2700/7000) are clearly for the Republic. Therefore I have reinstated the edit. --
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Gents,
I thing below statement regarding Nagorno-Karabakh Republic being second official name is not correct and also the sentence doesn't clearly shows that it is de facto state.
The Republic of Artsakh (/ˈɑːrtsɑːx/; Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun),[3][4] or simply Artsakh, also known by its second official name, the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (/nəˌɡɔːrnoʊ kɑːrəˈbɑːk/), is a breakaway state in the South Caucasus that is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan.
Hence I purpose below:
The Republic of Artsakh (/ˈɑːrtsɑːx/; Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun),[3][4] or simply Artsakh, mainly known as the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (/nəˌɡɔːrnoʊ kɑːrəˈbɑːk/), is a breakaway de facto state in the South Caucasus that is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan.
Looking forward for your comments.
Mirhasanov ( talk) 14:17, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
As of 2020, does the Republic want to be independent for ever, or does it want to merge with Armenia? This should be included. -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 11:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Note 3 says that the Constitution reads "The names 'Republic of Artsakh' and 'Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh' are identical". Something must be wrong with the translation. They obviously mean "synonymous" or "interchangeable", as the names are obviously not identical (i.e., not the same name), otherwise there would we no reason for the clarification. -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 00:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone have to add the Azerbaijani language to this de facto state regardless of whether its official or not? It's de jure part of Azerbaijan actually. - 69.157.126.206 ( talk) 04:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
The de-facto language is all that should be noted in this article. We've already determined that politically-driven "it's de-jure part of Azerbaijan" style edits have no place in this article since they don't respect the neutral POV pillar of Wikipedia. Furthermore the Azerbaijani POV is already provided at length in the Nagorno-Karabakh article. HyeProfile ( talk) 13:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I changed the infobox to the one used by dependencies since it is not a sovereign state of its own. - 70.49.10.194 ( talk) 01:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Artsakh is not a part of Azerbaijan and the population is Armenian people thus it is a part of Armenia Peaceloveandstrength ( talk) 21:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please edit the Republic of Artsakh page. It should say that it is "internationally recognized as a part of Armenia" Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.157.124 ( talk) 22:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
"Internationally recognised as a part of Armenia" means that the majority of UN members recognise the claim of Armenia for the republic. Now, however, Armenia does not claim the state as its own territory and recognises (?) this as a sovereign state. All other UN members either support Azerbaijan's claim to the state or are neutral. kostya_nad ( talk) 05:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
On 5 May 2016, the Government of Armenia approved the bill on recognition of the independence of the Republic of Artsakh. [1] right in the 5.2, second last point. Does not that mean that the Republic of Armenia recognises the Republic of Artsakh and the state has at least some UN-member states recognition? kostya_nad ( talk) 05:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
[Prime Minister] Pashinyan also said that Armenia may recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as independent, a move that could further interfere with a potential settlement of the dispute.[7]. Armenia's ambassador to Russia has made similar comments recently [8]. signed, Rosguill talk 16:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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I have wp:boldly used the term "country" as it is consistent with how the ROC and Kosovo is also described as a country, despite being either entirely, or partially, unrecognized internationally. From what I can tell, the cases are fairly similar, and I'd like to see what the consensus on this topic is.
I support the term "Country" as it better describes the nature of the territory, whilst being consistent with the descriptions of other non-UN de-facto states used on WP. Furthermore, the state is recognized in reliable sources as behaving as a de-facto independent state, with the chief issue being territorial claims by another state. BrxBrx( talk)(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}}) 21:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the abbreviation "NKR" to the first sentence of the lead, using one of the following:
or whatever you deem suitable. The abbreviation is not used in the article but does appear in several of the refs and also in the External links section, and NKR redirects here. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:F079:9A84:A5E9:D0EA ( talk) 13:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
"Armenia and Azerbaijan have agreed a temporary ceasefire in the conflict in the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.
Russia's foreign minister announced the agreement just before 03:00 Moscow time (midnight GMT), following 10 hours of talks in the Russian capital.
Sergey Lavrov said the two countries would now begin "substantive" talks.
More than 300 people have died and thousands displaced since the latest violence in the long-running conflict broke out on 27 September.
The hostilities will be halted from midday local time (08:00 GMT) on Saturday, to allow an exchange of prisoners and the recovery of dead bodies." Current article does not include any info on ceasefire. (Source for info: bbc news) Mr anonymous username ( talk) 07:43, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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There is no such concept as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Azerbaijan is a region it claims as its territory, that name is not a republic. There is the Republic of Artsakh. The changes made on this subject should be canceled. The NKR record, which is not based on any source, must be deleted.
Sorry but No . That way this discussion will not end. If the name of this republic is the Republic of Artsakh in this article, someone cannot change it in their opinion. One should not confuse the concepts and the region names. The name of a region and the state that defines itself as a republic are not the same concept. Being the majority does not mean being right. The title of the article cannot be confused with the claims of Azerbaijan or supporters.Also, the source you provide is not objective and cannot be regarded as a wikipedia resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk • contribs)
This phrase at the beginning of the article is invalid. It needs to be deleted. ....or the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh (/nəˌɡɔːrnoʊ kærəˈbæk/; Armenian: Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետություն, romanized: Lerrnayin Gharabaghi Hanrapetut’yun; sometimes abbreviated NKR),[3][4][5] is a self-proclaimed South Caucasian state situated within internationally recognized borders of Azerbaijan.[6][3].... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 22:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry but,This was not objective. What do you mean by widely usage? If this is the title of this article and it is called Republic of Artsakh as a definition, it is ridiculous to change it to common opinion. With this logic, we should use the US with the same names as the Native American lands, or add the names given by the Indians to the American lands Identification is important to the article. If this article bears this name, it should not contain different and non-objective content. If there is any other claim, a NEW ARTICLE should be opened. Baseless definitions should not be made in this article. It is clear that there is no such republic as NKR. The place called Nagorno Karabakh is a region and not a republic. Maybe if Azerbaijanis give that name to there, it will not change its name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 22:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC) Also, this NKR addition was added to the item very recently (on October 4) for non-objective reasons, there was no such addition before. Therefore, it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 23:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
No. You have no knowledge of legal information. As I have repeatedly stated, the name given to a region by others and the official name of that area are different concepts. Whether a state is recognized or not, the name of the rate should be expressed in whatever way it is used. If the content in the article is the Republic of Artsakh, it should not be given another name. The Native American example I gave above proves this very clearly. What you do will only be valid if it is included in another article.So I request you to create another article based on the claim named NKR or remove the phrases I mentioned.
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The lead says that it's also known as the "Republic of Negorno Karabakh". Says who? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 16:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The information you provide from news sites is not correct. The name of the republic is the Republic of Artsakh. A synonym for the region and the republic / state are not the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 09:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
A 2019 Republic Of Artsakh stamp appears on this link. https://www.reddit.com/r/EveryPassportStamp/comments/g6eezs/artsakh_visa_in_old_passport_this_is_the/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 22:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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@ Chipmunkdavis: "The country is reliant on and closely integrated with Armenia, in many ways functioning de facto as part of Armenia." does not come to the point. It should rather be "Artsakh is a de facto Armenian protectorate" Artsakh has handed over all of its foreign affairs issues to Armenia. Artsakh has only foreign relationships to Armenia. Otherwise, Artsakh has own passports and a president. Armenia is the voice and the will of Artsakh in the negotiations with Azerbaijan. Eurasianet, The Independent, the book "Genocide and Human Rights" by Mark Lattimer, at least 34 Papers and many other sources label the relationship right away as "Armenian protectorate". The current wording is misleading and does not reflect the actual reality.-- Geysirhead ( talk) 19:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Is there a consensus on which spelling conventions should be used on this page? I was about to change all the -ize words to -ise words, or vice versa, but the usage is so inconsistent that I can't tell which way to go. Thoughts? Fried Gold ( talk) 01:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
The title of this article, as far as I can tell, is specific and unambiguous. The primary topic ' Artsakh' (a DAB) links to here, or people have to specifically search for the nation-state in Artsakh or Nagorno-Karabakh—it is reasonable to assume the people coming here are coming specifically for the unrecognised state not mistakenly for any of the other topics disambiguated at the DAB (I think ' Nagorno-Karabakh' might be an exception and be within the purview of this page). I have also just edited three redirects which were variations of the spelling of the primary topic but redirected here ( Artsah, Artzakh, and Artsakh's) to point to the primary topic, the DAB.
So now, we can remove the "For other uses, see Artsakh." from the hatnote for this article, can't we? Didn't get why we needed to put a hatnote for our DAB page when our title is disambiguated already (and now those redirects have been fixed).
I think the guideline the status quo is a violation of is WP:NOTAMB, which I think we fulfill now and which says the part of the hatnote I quoted in particular is an improper use of hatnotes. — I'llbeyourbeach ( talk) 14:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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During the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, the Ministry of Defence of Artsakh stated that on 30 October the Azerbaijani side has used phosphorus weapons to burn forests near Shushi.[58] The next day, Armenia's human rights defender, Arman Tatoyan, stated that civilians were hiding in the forest. Aavetisyan24 ( talk) 13:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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add: dissolved: November 10, 2020. 202.133.209.187 ( talk) 08:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
This country has been disestablished. Must be add. Deniz.Sulay ( talk) 04:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Artsakh is now both de jure and de facto part of azerbaijan.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nar 2608 ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello. In my opinion, the status of the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh article is incorrect. If the state does not recognize it, the country to which it belongs must also be written in its status. For example, unrecognized Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are not like Arsakh in the article. Arsakh's status was written by three non- UN member states. Sorry, is this important? Does it matter? However, they are unrecognized separatist organizations. Even four countries have recognized the independence of those separatist organizations. But Arsakh was not recognized by any state. Excuse me, why isn't the Republic of Artsakh article the same as the 3 unrecognized states article? Don't you think this is a double standard? Sword313 ( talk) 04:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Political_status_of_Nagorno-Karabakh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.16.217 ( talk) 22:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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The caption below the map is unclear; it clarifies that Artsakh's territory is represented in green, but it does not clearly differentiate which territory is claimed and which is controlled. Similar to the articles for other states with claimed but uncontrolled territory (i.e. Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, People's Republic of China), the caption should read "Land controlled by the Republic of Artsakh shown in dark green, land claimed but uncontrolled shown in light green". ShockedCurve453 ( talk) 17:08, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Mount Mrav has just been removed from the article text. Has NK lost this mountain in 2020? Then the photo needs to be removed as well. If not: reinstate in text. Either - or. For now I have "saved" the altitude (3,340 metres (10,958 ft)), which was removed from the text, and placed it inside the caption. Arminden ( talk) 08:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, Gandzasar, Amaras, and St. Nerses (Martuni) remain in Artsakh. What about Saint Yeghishe Arakyal Monastery and Bri Yeghtze Monastery in the Martuni District? These two still need to be clarified.
Once the two have been clarified and placed either under "In Artsakh after 2020" or "In Azerbaijan after 2020", a short general presentation should be written under the heading "Historic Armenian monasteries and churches". Arminden ( talk) 23:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey! I've recently opened a discussion regarding page moves for the articles concerning Nagorno-Karabakh towns and villages here: Talk:Qarakənd and I would appreciate feedback from other editors that are familiar with the issue. AntonSamuel ( talk) 16:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Old land area for the claimed breakaway ‘Republic of Artsakh’: Total 11,458 km2 (4,424 sq mi) That was what the article claimed also of July 2020. Does anyone have a source for the current stated area of the territory: 3,170 km2 (1,220 sq mi) Both the then and now area totals were tagged as requiring a source. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 18:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
As the result of ceasefire the unrecognised state of Artsakh government collapsed. And since the Nogorno-Karabakh territories are officially recognised as territory of Azerbaijan, so the question is shouldn't we add something to article like: "Collapsed: 10 November 2020" ? EntityRrr ( talk) 09:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
There is time limits. So,They have to go out from Lacin, Kalbajar, Agdam till 1st December. So, they may live only Khankendi, Xocavend and Xocalı but only some small part of these cities. And armenians can live there but they have to accept Azerbaijan passport, and they have to live under Azerbaijan flag. What kind of country are we talking about? Artsax doesn't exist anymore. NikoFeyzi ( talk) 22:40, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I think we should wait and see if they continue to act independently. If it's established that the area is under Russian or Azari control then this "de facto state" no longer exists and a former country infobox should be added. 3bdulelah ( talk) 20:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Artsakh never existed as a de jure country so we can not mention the date 10 November 2020. Also, there is not any term in the ceasefire agreement that indicates the status of Khankendi, Khodjaly and Khodjavend (or the remaining parts of artsakh, in other words). So we can't say that the land is not de facto ruled by Artsakh. It will cease to exist surely, but we must wait for the peace deal. After that, all the pages that contain the word "Artsakh" will be edited. I understand, we all are excited because of the triumph but there's no hurry. Tulparus ( talk) 03:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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109.205.166.111 ( talk) 11:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Artsakh has collapsed. There is no need for so much information about a country that no longer exists. The President of Azerbaijan said that no autonomy would be granted, all the lands of Karabakh are in the hands of Azerbaijan. Yes, Armenians will be able to live here. However, not an inch of Karabakh will be given to the Armenians. Let's not deny the facts. Clean up the article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.253.228.155 ( talk) 12:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Maybe I am ever so blind, but looking between note a and note c in the initial information boxes, I can't locate what note b refers to. The information is there but where is the actually section with this b note?
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Since the remaining territory of the Republic of Artsakh is under the de facto control of the Russian Peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh, this should be mentioned in the intro and elsewhere in the article. Currently only Russian peacekeeping in the Lachin corridor is mentioned. Revolution Saga ( talk) 06:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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I doubt many people searching Artsakh are looking for the ancient armenian region, after all it's not like we use "Syrian Arab Republic" to differentiate the modern country from the roman region
so basically Republic of Artsakh -> Artsakh Artsakh -> Artsakh (disambiguation) — Preceding unsigned comment added by H. Iristine ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The population is 99,7% "clean" and no mention of ethnic cleansing? -- Geysirhead ( talk) 12:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a better map that can be used for the info box? That tiny square is a bit ridiculous. Wikipedia article maps are often hit or miss. Sometimes there are great maps and even additional zoomed in and zoomed out ones with nearby countries, borders, bodies of water, and even disputed areas clearly marked. Then, other times you get a tiny square that barely shows the territory at all and no labeled areas whatsoever. 66.91.36.8 ( talk) 03:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
When I went to Hadrut Province article and saw that this "de jure part of Republic of Azerbaijan' sentence ended with a citation needed template, first I removed it because it is the lede/lead and lead can be left like that, without that template. But several times it got reverted, because apparently, any claim or sentence in wikipedia needs to have a citation and uncited materials may be removed. Okay, I understand that and added two citations.
Then I passed by to the article of Republic of Artsakh, eventhough the same sentence doesn't have citation needed with them, I decided to put and utilise those two citations I used in Hadrut Province article. Those works aren't bias as far as I am concerned and I avoided using Azerbaijani sources because they're deemed as highly provocative and part of Azerbaijani Government's propaganda.
ChipmunksDavid, sorry for misspelling, said that those two citations don't contain anything unique and not an improvement. How come putting a citations can't be seen as an improvement. I don't have a comment regarding uniqueness that citations need to have/bring/deliver. But I still argue that those two works are more than eligible to be added into the lede of Republic of Artsakh article, because it is not disrupting and vandalising the article.
Or to put a citation also need a consensus from other editors? My edits that tried to put Azerbaijani/Turkic name for several articles got reverted because other experienced editors said what I did doesn't meet the consensus. Mfikriansori ( talk) 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 20:19, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
– The article can serve as the primary page for the title. DownTownRich ( talk) 18:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
@Laurel this is by no way politically motivated every nations article does reflect its official name and I myself do support these articles as I am part of the WikiProject that maintains and expands them. DownTownRich ( talk) 21:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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Manta18382 ( talk) 06:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Local names for holidays in Republic of Artsakh are missing. Manta18382 ( talk) 06:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
A demonym of inhabitans of the Republic of Artsakh is Artsakhtsi in Armenian language. Not is Artsakhi! Artem Pogosian ( talk) 11:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Արցախցիներ(~Artsakhtsi people) vs
Արցախի Հանրապետություն(~Artsakhi Republic) or
Արցախյան հող(~Artsakhian land), English just uses a single term across all contexts. Artsakh is obscure enough in the English-speaking world that we do see some variation in English sources, but unless you can provide stronger evidence than what I've listed above, there seems to be a clear front-runner: Artsakhi. signed, Rosguill talk 17:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The article in current stable version describes Artsakh as "breakaway" republic. When I amended it to "breakaway" in Azerbaijan article for congruency purposes and in order to use a less loaded term, Golden hurried to revert it to "self-proclaimed", commenting that it is " not "loaded" in any way" and that "it's the most commonly used word to describe the republic. User Golden, 1) can you prove that "it's the most commonly used" term, and 2) do you think there is academic consensus to support the use of that (apparently loaded) term for Artsakh? Thanks. --Armatura ( talk) 14:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
"Artsakh" "breakaway" 126,000 results "Artsakh" "self-proclaimed" 89,600 results "Nagorno-karabakh" "breakaway" 107,000 results "Nagorno-Karabakh" "self-proclaimed" 63,800 results
Beyond this, there are a number of other terms that have been used. For example, the terms partially and unrecognized states have found a place in the literature, but these are also unsatisfactory for immediately apparent reasons. For a start, not all de facto states are wholly unrecognized. Many enjoy partial recognition to a great or lesser extent. Northern Cyprus is recognized by Turkey. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are recognized by Russia and a handful of other countries. Likewise, calling them partially recognized states is equally wrong as a substantial number have yet to be recognized by a single UN member state.(emphasis again mine). Bests, Seryo93 ( talk) 19:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
To The term "self-proclaimed" is used more than twice as frequently as "breakaway" in reliable sources to describe the Republic of Artsakh.
- I'm dumbfounded how your search revealed only 5 sources for breakaway and 14 for self-proclaimed. Seems like you've missed a good chunk of sources that use the former, I'll add though no worries. Here are 25 sources for "breakaway";
International Crisis Group, [11] Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, [12] The Hindu, [13] National Geographic, [14] Deutsche Welle, [15] The Jerusalem Post, [16] U.S. News & World Report, [17] Arab News, [18], Euractiv, [19] Vox Media, [20] Human Rights Foundation, [21] NBC, [22] The Washington Post, [23] The National Interest, [24] Eurasianet (this source in particular demonstrates why "breakaway" is a neutral POV term), [25] The Guardian, [26] Time Magazine, [27] NPR, [28] Los Angeles Times, [29] Yahoo! News, [30] BBC News, [31] Financial Times, [32] Haaretz, [33] The Moscow Times, [34] and Euronews. [35].
These should be enough to settle the debate: both in web searches and sources "breakaway" is more common hence it should be used in this article and related articles. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 04:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
A “quick Google search” is meaningless. Please read WP:SET and search reliable sources., and I provided 25 reliable sources for "breakaway". Breakaway is a perfectly fine and neutral term, it's used in a dozen RS, more than self-proclaimed. Hence it warrants more of a reason for inclusion than self-proclaimed. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 17:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks all for opinions. As no clear consensus emerged from the discussion above, I created RfC to allow the wider community to comment. Everybody who commented here is welcome to comment, too, but please keep it brief, you can refer to chunks of text already posted above instead of reposting them to RfC. Best wishes, --Armatura ( talk) 14:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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A constitutional referendum was held yesterday. The approved changes included a rename of the country to Artsakh (formally 'Republic of Artsakh'). Artsakh is already taken by another article. Just wondering when and where we should move this article? Number 5 7 10:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
The title of this page is here due to the common term of "Nagorno-Karabakh" needing disambiguation. Constitutional changes do not affect the common name. Instead, news over the next few months should be watched to see if "Artsakh", which was already in use, becomes the more common standard. (And also to see if the formal name in English will be "Republic of Artsakh" or "Artsakh Republic", both of which I've seen.) CMD ( talk) 05:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
The Republic of Artsakh (formerly Nagorno-Karabakh Republic recently voted for an official name change.
http://armenianweekly.com/2017/02/21/artsakh-votes-for-new-constitution-officially-renames-the-republic/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shant03 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Yesterday people of Artsakh voted for name-changing. Now the official name of the country is Republic of Artsakh.: Republic of Artsakh! -- Harut ( talk) 05:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Clear and valid consensus, but see closing comment below. Andrewa ( talk) 20:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Nagorno-Karabakh Republic → Republic of Artsakh – The new name. I see it in a few places in English and altho it's not common yet, it is their name (which can also be translated Artsakh Republic. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 19:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Some ... enterprising chap has decided to undo pretty much every rename from NKR to Artsakh. I've told them this was bad and unhelpful, maybe they'll explain themselves! But until then we should probably start fixing their mess. Or, we could wait and make sure they won't simply undo it. Or, we do it anyway so that when they do undo it, they're blocked for edit warring. Either way. -- Golbez ( talk) 13:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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I wanted to start a discussion regarding a number of articles relating to the Republic of Artsakh. I think it's easier to have a joint discussion regarding all of the articles rather than having separate ones as the issue is the same for all of them. Once I saw that this article was moved, I began moving the articles that use the name "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic to "Republic of Artsakh" and "Nagorno-Karabakh" to "Artsakh". However, after I moved certain articles, that move was reversed. Those articles include, History of Nagorno-Karabakh, Culture of Artsakh, Music of Artsakh, Religion in Nagorno-Karabakh and List of mosques in Nagorno-Karabakh. I am sure that there are more types of articles that would relate to this issue. Culture of Artsakh and Music of Artsakh were both reverted back by me after the user and I both left comments here. It is very clear that Artsakh should be used for the name of those two articles as they clearly refer to the cultures and music of the self-declared republic. The user's argument for reverting the other articles was that "Nagorno-Karabakh" is the neutral term for the region while "Artsakh" is solely the Armenian name, however from what I got from the discussion to move this page and the actual articles of Republic of Artsakh and Nagorno-Karabakh the areas currently controlled by the de facto independent republic are referred to as "Republic of Artsakh" or simply "Artsakh" and the territory of the former Nagorno-Karabakh AO are referred to as "Nagorno-Karabakh".
With that being said, my personal opinion is that the following articles should also be renamed to reflect the name move that occurred here, as articles such as History of Nagorno-Karabakh refer to the areas currently controlled by the self-proclaimed republic rather than just the territories of the former Nagorno-Karabakh AO. It also makes all of the articles relating to this topic a lot more consistent and less confusing. Please share your opinion about this issue so that we can come to a consensus. Thank you. -- Growupon ( talk) 15:54, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
The "|country_code NKR" isn't working and displaying properly because:
Replacing "|country_code= NKR" with "|iso3166code= omit" fixes the problem. Feel free to make the edit. 2001:569:79AE:3200:A028:B373:8CF:68CA ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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pronunciation of Artsakh is given in IPA code as (/ɑːrtsɑːk/), but actually last consonant should be "x", which is valid IPA letter. See Help:IPA, Voiceless_velar_fricative.
Any other opinions? Darwwin ( talk) 06:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't notice the comment about it, so I'll just report it here for discussion afterwards: I added the name of the capital, Stepanakert, to the intro. – gpvos (talk) 17:59, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
The lead is self-contradictory. It says that Artsakh is de facto independent and de facto part of Armenia. So which state of affairs is actually more factual? — Kpalion (talk) 12:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
is a de facto independent country in the South Caucasus, internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan.would be a confusing introduction for someone who has never heard of Artsakh. Seraphim System ( talk) 15:45, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Artsakh is a self-proclaimed independent country, which is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan and functions de facto as part of Armenia.— Kpalion (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
In geopolitics, everything is someone's opinion.is an incredibly problematic thing to say on Wikipedia. It's an opinion that Artsakh is actually part of Armenia. It's not an opinion that it does in fact exist (de facto). It's not an opinion that the international community recognizes it as being within the borders of Azerbaijan (to state that it's not recognized by the international community is simply saying that they said what they said they said, not using Wikipedia's voice to offer an opinionated perspective on it). Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
I want to change
{{lang-hy|Արցախի Հանրապետություն}}, ''{{lang|hy-Latn|Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun}}''; [[Azerbaijani language|Azerbaijani]]: Artsax Respublikası),
Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun; Azerbaijani: Artsax Respublikası),
To:
{{lang-hy|Արցախի Հանրապետություն}}, {{lang|hy-Latn|Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun}}; {{lang-az|Artsax Respublikası}}),
Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun; Azerbaijani: Artsax Respublikası),
This really should not be controversial. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 20:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Seems as if there should be some mention of Christianity around this point in the History section. - Snori ( talk) 23:04, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
The below sentence looks like POV as it doesn't shows any reference or doesn't state after which year and which war between Persians and Romans. Can someone give more information?
Following wars with the Romans and Persians, Armenia was partitioned between the two empires. Artsakh was removed from Persian Armenia and included into the neighbouring satrapy of Arran.
Mirhasanov ( talk) 14:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I updated the unsourced figures given for the area of the Republic of Artsakh, according to Encyclopedia Britannica's entry covering the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, which the Wikipedia article states is a synonym for it, and which redirects to the article. Britannica's entry begins:
Nagorno-Karabakh, also spelled Nagorno-Karabach, Azerbaijani Dağlıq Qarabağ, Armenian Artsakh, region of southwestern Azerbaijan. The name is also used to refer to an autonomous oblast (province) of the former Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (S.S.R.) and to the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, a self-declared country whose independence is not internationally recognized. The old autonomous region occupied an area of about 1,700 square miles (4,400 square km), while the forces of the self-proclaimed Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh presently occupy some 2,700 square miles (7,000 square km). [1]
It was reverted, and the citation was removed, by
Darwwin, with the explanation: "the citation provided does not refer to Republik of Artsakh, but rather to the Nagorno-Karabakh region, which implies old Soviet-age boundaries, which are not more valid
". Darwwin, you are mistaken about that. The first figures given (1700/4400) are for the former region, while the second set (2700/7000) are clearly for the Republic. Therefore I have reinstated the edit. --
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Gents,
I thing below statement regarding Nagorno-Karabakh Republic being second official name is not correct and also the sentence doesn't clearly shows that it is de facto state.
The Republic of Artsakh (/ˈɑːrtsɑːx/; Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun),[3][4] or simply Artsakh, also known by its second official name, the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (/nəˌɡɔːrnoʊ kɑːrəˈbɑːk/), is a breakaway state in the South Caucasus that is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan.
Hence I purpose below:
The Republic of Artsakh (/ˈɑːrtsɑːx/; Armenian: Արցախի Հանրապետություն, Artsakhi Hanrapetut'yun),[3][4] or simply Artsakh, mainly known as the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (/nəˌɡɔːrnoʊ kɑːrəˈbɑːk/), is a breakaway de facto state in the South Caucasus that is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan.
Looking forward for your comments.
Mirhasanov ( talk) 14:17, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
As of 2020, does the Republic want to be independent for ever, or does it want to merge with Armenia? This should be included. -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 11:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Note 3 says that the Constitution reads "The names 'Republic of Artsakh' and 'Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh' are identical". Something must be wrong with the translation. They obviously mean "synonymous" or "interchangeable", as the names are obviously not identical (i.e., not the same name), otherwise there would we no reason for the clarification. -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 00:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone have to add the Azerbaijani language to this de facto state regardless of whether its official or not? It's de jure part of Azerbaijan actually. - 69.157.126.206 ( talk) 04:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
The de-facto language is all that should be noted in this article. We've already determined that politically-driven "it's de-jure part of Azerbaijan" style edits have no place in this article since they don't respect the neutral POV pillar of Wikipedia. Furthermore the Azerbaijani POV is already provided at length in the Nagorno-Karabakh article. HyeProfile ( talk) 13:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I changed the infobox to the one used by dependencies since it is not a sovereign state of its own. - 70.49.10.194 ( talk) 01:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Artsakh is not a part of Azerbaijan and the population is Armenian people thus it is a part of Armenia Peaceloveandstrength ( talk) 21:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please edit the Republic of Artsakh page. It should say that it is "internationally recognized as a part of Armenia" Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.157.124 ( talk) 22:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
"Internationally recognised as a part of Armenia" means that the majority of UN members recognise the claim of Armenia for the republic. Now, however, Armenia does not claim the state as its own territory and recognises (?) this as a sovereign state. All other UN members either support Azerbaijan's claim to the state or are neutral. kostya_nad ( talk) 05:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
On 5 May 2016, the Government of Armenia approved the bill on recognition of the independence of the Republic of Artsakh. [1] right in the 5.2, second last point. Does not that mean that the Republic of Armenia recognises the Republic of Artsakh and the state has at least some UN-member states recognition? kostya_nad ( talk) 05:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
[Prime Minister] Pashinyan also said that Armenia may recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as independent, a move that could further interfere with a potential settlement of the dispute.[7]. Armenia's ambassador to Russia has made similar comments recently [8]. signed, Rosguill talk 16:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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I have wp:boldly used the term "country" as it is consistent with how the ROC and Kosovo is also described as a country, despite being either entirely, or partially, unrecognized internationally. From what I can tell, the cases are fairly similar, and I'd like to see what the consensus on this topic is.
I support the term "Country" as it better describes the nature of the territory, whilst being consistent with the descriptions of other non-UN de-facto states used on WP. Furthermore, the state is recognized in reliable sources as behaving as a de-facto independent state, with the chief issue being territorial claims by another state. BrxBrx( talk)(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}}) 21:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the abbreviation "NKR" to the first sentence of the lead, using one of the following:
or whatever you deem suitable. The abbreviation is not used in the article but does appear in several of the refs and also in the External links section, and NKR redirects here. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:F079:9A84:A5E9:D0EA ( talk) 13:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
"Armenia and Azerbaijan have agreed a temporary ceasefire in the conflict in the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.
Russia's foreign minister announced the agreement just before 03:00 Moscow time (midnight GMT), following 10 hours of talks in the Russian capital.
Sergey Lavrov said the two countries would now begin "substantive" talks.
More than 300 people have died and thousands displaced since the latest violence in the long-running conflict broke out on 27 September.
The hostilities will be halted from midday local time (08:00 GMT) on Saturday, to allow an exchange of prisoners and the recovery of dead bodies." Current article does not include any info on ceasefire. (Source for info: bbc news) Mr anonymous username ( talk) 07:43, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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There is no such concept as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Azerbaijan is a region it claims as its territory, that name is not a republic. There is the Republic of Artsakh. The changes made on this subject should be canceled. The NKR record, which is not based on any source, must be deleted.
Sorry but No . That way this discussion will not end. If the name of this republic is the Republic of Artsakh in this article, someone cannot change it in their opinion. One should not confuse the concepts and the region names. The name of a region and the state that defines itself as a republic are not the same concept. Being the majority does not mean being right. The title of the article cannot be confused with the claims of Azerbaijan or supporters.Also, the source you provide is not objective and cannot be regarded as a wikipedia resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk • contribs)
This phrase at the beginning of the article is invalid. It needs to be deleted. ....or the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh (/nəˌɡɔːrnoʊ kærəˈbæk/; Armenian: Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետություն, romanized: Lerrnayin Gharabaghi Hanrapetut’yun; sometimes abbreviated NKR),[3][4][5] is a self-proclaimed South Caucasian state situated within internationally recognized borders of Azerbaijan.[6][3].... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 22:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry but,This was not objective. What do you mean by widely usage? If this is the title of this article and it is called Republic of Artsakh as a definition, it is ridiculous to change it to common opinion. With this logic, we should use the US with the same names as the Native American lands, or add the names given by the Indians to the American lands Identification is important to the article. If this article bears this name, it should not contain different and non-objective content. If there is any other claim, a NEW ARTICLE should be opened. Baseless definitions should not be made in this article. It is clear that there is no such republic as NKR. The place called Nagorno Karabakh is a region and not a republic. Maybe if Azerbaijanis give that name to there, it will not change its name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 22:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC) Also, this NKR addition was added to the item very recently (on October 4) for non-objective reasons, there was no such addition before. Therefore, it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 23:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
No. You have no knowledge of legal information. As I have repeatedly stated, the name given to a region by others and the official name of that area are different concepts. Whether a state is recognized or not, the name of the rate should be expressed in whatever way it is used. If the content in the article is the Republic of Artsakh, it should not be given another name. The Native American example I gave above proves this very clearly. What you do will only be valid if it is included in another article.So I request you to create another article based on the claim named NKR or remove the phrases I mentioned.
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The lead says that it's also known as the "Republic of Negorno Karabakh". Says who? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 16:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The information you provide from news sites is not correct. The name of the republic is the Republic of Artsakh. A synonym for the region and the republic / state are not the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 09:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
A 2019 Republic Of Artsakh stamp appears on this link. https://www.reddit.com/r/EveryPassportStamp/comments/g6eezs/artsakh_visa_in_old_passport_this_is_the/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.185 ( talk) 22:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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@ Chipmunkdavis: "The country is reliant on and closely integrated with Armenia, in many ways functioning de facto as part of Armenia." does not come to the point. It should rather be "Artsakh is a de facto Armenian protectorate" Artsakh has handed over all of its foreign affairs issues to Armenia. Artsakh has only foreign relationships to Armenia. Otherwise, Artsakh has own passports and a president. Armenia is the voice and the will of Artsakh in the negotiations with Azerbaijan. Eurasianet, The Independent, the book "Genocide and Human Rights" by Mark Lattimer, at least 34 Papers and many other sources label the relationship right away as "Armenian protectorate". The current wording is misleading and does not reflect the actual reality.-- Geysirhead ( talk) 19:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Is there a consensus on which spelling conventions should be used on this page? I was about to change all the -ize words to -ise words, or vice versa, but the usage is so inconsistent that I can't tell which way to go. Thoughts? Fried Gold ( talk) 01:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
The title of this article, as far as I can tell, is specific and unambiguous. The primary topic ' Artsakh' (a DAB) links to here, or people have to specifically search for the nation-state in Artsakh or Nagorno-Karabakh—it is reasonable to assume the people coming here are coming specifically for the unrecognised state not mistakenly for any of the other topics disambiguated at the DAB (I think ' Nagorno-Karabakh' might be an exception and be within the purview of this page). I have also just edited three redirects which were variations of the spelling of the primary topic but redirected here ( Artsah, Artzakh, and Artsakh's) to point to the primary topic, the DAB.
So now, we can remove the "For other uses, see Artsakh." from the hatnote for this article, can't we? Didn't get why we needed to put a hatnote for our DAB page when our title is disambiguated already (and now those redirects have been fixed).
I think the guideline the status quo is a violation of is WP:NOTAMB, which I think we fulfill now and which says the part of the hatnote I quoted in particular is an improper use of hatnotes. — I'llbeyourbeach ( talk) 14:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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During the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, the Ministry of Defence of Artsakh stated that on 30 October the Azerbaijani side has used phosphorus weapons to burn forests near Shushi.[58] The next day, Armenia's human rights defender, Arman Tatoyan, stated that civilians were hiding in the forest. Aavetisyan24 ( talk) 13:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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add: dissolved: November 10, 2020. 202.133.209.187 ( talk) 08:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
This country has been disestablished. Must be add. Deniz.Sulay ( talk) 04:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Artsakh is now both de jure and de facto part of azerbaijan.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nar 2608 ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello. In my opinion, the status of the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh article is incorrect. If the state does not recognize it, the country to which it belongs must also be written in its status. For example, unrecognized Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are not like Arsakh in the article. Arsakh's status was written by three non- UN member states. Sorry, is this important? Does it matter? However, they are unrecognized separatist organizations. Even four countries have recognized the independence of those separatist organizations. But Arsakh was not recognized by any state. Excuse me, why isn't the Republic of Artsakh article the same as the 3 unrecognized states article? Don't you think this is a double standard? Sword313 ( talk) 04:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Political_status_of_Nagorno-Karabakh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.16.217 ( talk) 22:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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The caption below the map is unclear; it clarifies that Artsakh's territory is represented in green, but it does not clearly differentiate which territory is claimed and which is controlled. Similar to the articles for other states with claimed but uncontrolled territory (i.e. Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, People's Republic of China), the caption should read "Land controlled by the Republic of Artsakh shown in dark green, land claimed but uncontrolled shown in light green". ShockedCurve453 ( talk) 17:08, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Mount Mrav has just been removed from the article text. Has NK lost this mountain in 2020? Then the photo needs to be removed as well. If not: reinstate in text. Either - or. For now I have "saved" the altitude (3,340 metres (10,958 ft)), which was removed from the text, and placed it inside the caption. Arminden ( talk) 08:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, Gandzasar, Amaras, and St. Nerses (Martuni) remain in Artsakh. What about Saint Yeghishe Arakyal Monastery and Bri Yeghtze Monastery in the Martuni District? These two still need to be clarified.
Once the two have been clarified and placed either under "In Artsakh after 2020" or "In Azerbaijan after 2020", a short general presentation should be written under the heading "Historic Armenian monasteries and churches". Arminden ( talk) 23:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey! I've recently opened a discussion regarding page moves for the articles concerning Nagorno-Karabakh towns and villages here: Talk:Qarakənd and I would appreciate feedback from other editors that are familiar with the issue. AntonSamuel ( talk) 16:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Old land area for the claimed breakaway ‘Republic of Artsakh’: Total 11,458 km2 (4,424 sq mi) That was what the article claimed also of July 2020. Does anyone have a source for the current stated area of the territory: 3,170 km2 (1,220 sq mi) Both the then and now area totals were tagged as requiring a source. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 18:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
As the result of ceasefire the unrecognised state of Artsakh government collapsed. And since the Nogorno-Karabakh territories are officially recognised as territory of Azerbaijan, so the question is shouldn't we add something to article like: "Collapsed: 10 November 2020" ? EntityRrr ( talk) 09:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
There is time limits. So,They have to go out from Lacin, Kalbajar, Agdam till 1st December. So, they may live only Khankendi, Xocavend and Xocalı but only some small part of these cities. And armenians can live there but they have to accept Azerbaijan passport, and they have to live under Azerbaijan flag. What kind of country are we talking about? Artsax doesn't exist anymore. NikoFeyzi ( talk) 22:40, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I think we should wait and see if they continue to act independently. If it's established that the area is under Russian or Azari control then this "de facto state" no longer exists and a former country infobox should be added. 3bdulelah ( talk) 20:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Artsakh never existed as a de jure country so we can not mention the date 10 November 2020. Also, there is not any term in the ceasefire agreement that indicates the status of Khankendi, Khodjaly and Khodjavend (or the remaining parts of artsakh, in other words). So we can't say that the land is not de facto ruled by Artsakh. It will cease to exist surely, but we must wait for the peace deal. After that, all the pages that contain the word "Artsakh" will be edited. I understand, we all are excited because of the triumph but there's no hurry. Tulparus ( talk) 03:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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109.205.166.111 ( talk) 11:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Artsakh has collapsed. There is no need for so much information about a country that no longer exists. The President of Azerbaijan said that no autonomy would be granted, all the lands of Karabakh are in the hands of Azerbaijan. Yes, Armenians will be able to live here. However, not an inch of Karabakh will be given to the Armenians. Let's not deny the facts. Clean up the article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.253.228.155 ( talk) 12:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Maybe I am ever so blind, but looking between note a and note c in the initial information boxes, I can't locate what note b refers to. The information is there but where is the actually section with this b note?
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Since the remaining territory of the Republic of Artsakh is under the de facto control of the Russian Peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh, this should be mentioned in the intro and elsewhere in the article. Currently only Russian peacekeeping in the Lachin corridor is mentioned. Revolution Saga ( talk) 06:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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I doubt many people searching Artsakh are looking for the ancient armenian region, after all it's not like we use "Syrian Arab Republic" to differentiate the modern country from the roman region
so basically Republic of Artsakh -> Artsakh Artsakh -> Artsakh (disambiguation) — Preceding unsigned comment added by H. Iristine ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The population is 99,7% "clean" and no mention of ethnic cleansing? -- Geysirhead ( talk) 12:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a better map that can be used for the info box? That tiny square is a bit ridiculous. Wikipedia article maps are often hit or miss. Sometimes there are great maps and even additional zoomed in and zoomed out ones with nearby countries, borders, bodies of water, and even disputed areas clearly marked. Then, other times you get a tiny square that barely shows the territory at all and no labeled areas whatsoever. 66.91.36.8 ( talk) 03:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
When I went to Hadrut Province article and saw that this "de jure part of Republic of Azerbaijan' sentence ended with a citation needed template, first I removed it because it is the lede/lead and lead can be left like that, without that template. But several times it got reverted, because apparently, any claim or sentence in wikipedia needs to have a citation and uncited materials may be removed. Okay, I understand that and added two citations.
Then I passed by to the article of Republic of Artsakh, eventhough the same sentence doesn't have citation needed with them, I decided to put and utilise those two citations I used in Hadrut Province article. Those works aren't bias as far as I am concerned and I avoided using Azerbaijani sources because they're deemed as highly provocative and part of Azerbaijani Government's propaganda.
ChipmunksDavid, sorry for misspelling, said that those two citations don't contain anything unique and not an improvement. How come putting a citations can't be seen as an improvement. I don't have a comment regarding uniqueness that citations need to have/bring/deliver. But I still argue that those two works are more than eligible to be added into the lede of Republic of Artsakh article, because it is not disrupting and vandalising the article.
Or to put a citation also need a consensus from other editors? My edits that tried to put Azerbaijani/Turkic name for several articles got reverted because other experienced editors said what I did doesn't meet the consensus. Mfikriansori ( talk) 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 20:19, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
– The article can serve as the primary page for the title. DownTownRich ( talk) 18:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
@Laurel this is by no way politically motivated every nations article does reflect its official name and I myself do support these articles as I am part of the WikiProject that maintains and expands them. DownTownRich ( talk) 21:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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Manta18382 ( talk) 06:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Local names for holidays in Republic of Artsakh are missing. Manta18382 ( talk) 06:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
A demonym of inhabitans of the Republic of Artsakh is Artsakhtsi in Armenian language. Not is Artsakhi! Artem Pogosian ( talk) 11:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Արցախցիներ(~Artsakhtsi people) vs
Արցախի Հանրապետություն(~Artsakhi Republic) or
Արցախյան հող(~Artsakhian land), English just uses a single term across all contexts. Artsakh is obscure enough in the English-speaking world that we do see some variation in English sources, but unless you can provide stronger evidence than what I've listed above, there seems to be a clear front-runner: Artsakhi. signed, Rosguill talk 17:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The article in current stable version describes Artsakh as "breakaway" republic. When I amended it to "breakaway" in Azerbaijan article for congruency purposes and in order to use a less loaded term, Golden hurried to revert it to "self-proclaimed", commenting that it is " not "loaded" in any way" and that "it's the most commonly used word to describe the republic. User Golden, 1) can you prove that "it's the most commonly used" term, and 2) do you think there is academic consensus to support the use of that (apparently loaded) term for Artsakh? Thanks. --Armatura ( talk) 14:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
"Artsakh" "breakaway" 126,000 results "Artsakh" "self-proclaimed" 89,600 results "Nagorno-karabakh" "breakaway" 107,000 results "Nagorno-Karabakh" "self-proclaimed" 63,800 results
Beyond this, there are a number of other terms that have been used. For example, the terms partially and unrecognized states have found a place in the literature, but these are also unsatisfactory for immediately apparent reasons. For a start, not all de facto states are wholly unrecognized. Many enjoy partial recognition to a great or lesser extent. Northern Cyprus is recognized by Turkey. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are recognized by Russia and a handful of other countries. Likewise, calling them partially recognized states is equally wrong as a substantial number have yet to be recognized by a single UN member state.(emphasis again mine). Bests, Seryo93 ( talk) 19:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
To The term "self-proclaimed" is used more than twice as frequently as "breakaway" in reliable sources to describe the Republic of Artsakh.
- I'm dumbfounded how your search revealed only 5 sources for breakaway and 14 for self-proclaimed. Seems like you've missed a good chunk of sources that use the former, I'll add though no worries. Here are 25 sources for "breakaway";
International Crisis Group, [11] Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, [12] The Hindu, [13] National Geographic, [14] Deutsche Welle, [15] The Jerusalem Post, [16] U.S. News & World Report, [17] Arab News, [18], Euractiv, [19] Vox Media, [20] Human Rights Foundation, [21] NBC, [22] The Washington Post, [23] The National Interest, [24] Eurasianet (this source in particular demonstrates why "breakaway" is a neutral POV term), [25] The Guardian, [26] Time Magazine, [27] NPR, [28] Los Angeles Times, [29] Yahoo! News, [30] BBC News, [31] Financial Times, [32] Haaretz, [33] The Moscow Times, [34] and Euronews. [35].
These should be enough to settle the debate: both in web searches and sources "breakaway" is more common hence it should be used in this article and related articles. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 04:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
A “quick Google search” is meaningless. Please read WP:SET and search reliable sources., and I provided 25 reliable sources for "breakaway". Breakaway is a perfectly fine and neutral term, it's used in a dozen RS, more than self-proclaimed. Hence it warrants more of a reason for inclusion than self-proclaimed. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 17:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks all for opinions. As no clear consensus emerged from the discussion above, I created RfC to allow the wider community to comment. Everybody who commented here is welcome to comment, too, but please keep it brief, you can refer to chunks of text already posted above instead of reposting them to RfC. Best wishes, --Armatura ( talk) 14:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)