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The article France says there are 23 regions, whereas this one says 22: what is the actual number? Why is there this difference? - User:Oliver
the explanation for the regions is confusing. Also, I have recently learned that France has 22, NOT' 26 regions. Which one is right? plz let me know @ my page!'-- The lil lady with the hat 22:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)--
Has the 23rd region the exact same status as the other ones? "with conseil regional"? where is the capital/seat of the conseil regional of this region? -
User:Olivier
The map is wrong there is 2 regions for PACA : Provence Alpes Côte d'Azur
I remove this map : File:FDepartments.JPG
oops, we have 4 overseas regions, that makes a total of 26 regions !!! It's a very big issue, we always forget them... the 4 regions are la Guadeloupe, la Guyane, la Martinique, la Réunion, these are regions made of only one department.
Here's an interesting link [1]
linking to these one also
and, the map is wrong in more than one place... - User:Anthere
Any link to an official government page? -
User:Oliver
and this one [4] --ant
Government websites are talking of 26 regions. -
User:Olivier
Here is an interesting link (in French): 1999 census, including population of regions, departements and cities of more 100,000 inhabitants. Caution: "Aires urbaines de plus de 50,000 habitants" doesn't give the population of the cities, but the population of the "urban area", the city and its surroundings. http://www.dgcl.interieur.gouv.fr/publications/CL_en_chiffres/CL2001_ch01.pdf - User:Olivier
A good map here would be very helpful. I have an official government of France map showing the regions (22 + 4) and it seems to be the same as the one you removed. Perhaps someone could: 1) explain the map errors and 2) replace it with a good one? Thanks... Christine G.
I put up this map. It is politically correct and for foreigners in that it does not break Normandie into 2 but conversely shows the 3 distinct areas making the 1 region of Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur. (See Peter Mayle's book) There should be a map here, if someone doesn't like mine, put up something else but don't delete it because you don't understand.
can someone add more info about that supposed special status for Corse please. Izwalito
move request withdrawn, User:Mzajac showed me that this is an larger issue than I thought before. Too many French terms have no equivalent, so producing consistency in respect to worldwide subdivision naming produces inconsistency in the French subdivision series. Thanks Mzajac for your patience and your friendly arguing. Tobias Conradi 08:20, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Discussion
almost 100 pages for other countries are named like Counties of X, Provinces of X, or Regions of X. This is english wikipedia. After moving, a lot of re-redirects and even re-re-redirects have to be solved. see also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Subnational_entities/Naming. No other wikipedia except the french one uses the french word in the page title. Tobias Conradi 21:52, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I moved back to Région in France. The person who had moved to Régions of France did not even change the redirect pages, so that hundreds of article links were screwed up!! In tune with the other articles about French administrative divisions, the article should be named Région in France. There may be other countries with régions (with accent), such as French speaking countries from Africa for instance. Region without an accent is not a precise term, it refers to a geographical area, not to an administrative area. Hardouin 13:04, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
@Hardouin The person who had moved to Régions of France did not even change the redirect pages, so that hundreds of article links were screwed up!! so did you by your backmove Tobias Conradi 06:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I'm in favor of moving the article to " Regions of France", possibly " Régions of France" as plural seems to be the standard for subnational entity articles (with "of" rather than "in"; "in" may be the better choice for singular). If we can't agree on that, I prefer it to be placed back where it used to be (" List of regions in France" or " Regions of France"?). -- User:Docu
Why are the régions d'outre-mer numbered 971 to 974? — Insta ntnood 14:37, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
In the names of French regions and departments, the morphemes "Basse" and "Haute" seem to occur frequently. At first, I thought there was some place called "Haute" that got divided up. But further investigation indicate that these translate to "low" and "high", respectively. Would it be appropriate to translate them to "Lower" and "Upper" when they appear in these names? Either that or the more literal translations would be very helpful to English readers who don't speak much or any French. Thanks, Beland 05:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was reading the page on Corsica, and it mentions that it is one of the 26 régions of France. The term région redirects to region. Previously, it redirected to Régions of France, but the person who changed the redirect made this note: "amending redirect; France not the only country to use "région")." I think the redirect should go to this artcicle, Régions of France, and not to region. Anyone else agree? -- Hecktor 16:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This is really screwed up. Why the hell on earth are the French administrative divisions not translated? Région?!! It should be moved to region. It is pretty obvious. Nearly all other country articles' regions translate as such. Otherwise, it is plain stupid. There is no logical rationale to keep it at "région". I had this discussion at some place else, and I see it as the product of a really arrogant outlook on the world. When I am in the French wiki, I see no such article "States des USA".. The lack of logic is astounding. This article should be moved to "Regions of France" per et al, it doesn't matter if they refer to an administrative structure or something else. The precision of them being/not being an administrative structure should be given in the intro. That way, the uninformed readers will know what they are up against. This is called COMMON SENSE. This attitude is really bad encyclopedic behavior, and this is exactly the reason why the France article has not even been able to reach GA status whereas Belgium, Bangladesh, Australia and Nepal have become Featured Articles. The France article is not any better than a cheap tourism brochure. Baristarim 12:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Can someone clean up the maps at the bottom? They seem to be placed incorrectly on the page. I am not so hot at doing stuff like that, so if someone who is good at all the syntax could take care of it, that would be helpful...-- Dmz5 03:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
To Do: Add Appropriate Stub Markings to the Sub Aricles of this page.
hi,
i need to know about il-de-france for a school project i have most of my information but i need to know what regions surround it and something about it????help?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.29.67.53 ( talk) 20:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The General characteristics section compares the median land area of a French region to political divisions in various other countries. For the US, it's "about 25% of the median land area of an Alaskan county." One of many problems with that comparison is that Alaska has no counties.
Alaska's similar political unit is the borough, but an Alaskan borough is very much different from a county in other states, particularly in the range of sizes, which is enormous. Comparing anything to the median land area of an Alaskan borough is about as useful as comparing it to the median land area of all the countries on earth: nobody has a ready idea what a statement like that means, and it would take a huge amount of research to make it meaningful even to an Alaskan, much less anybody else. The whole point of making comparisons like this is to give the reader a quick idea of the scale of the thing by comparing it to something they're already familiar with, which this particular example fails miserably to do.
Several months ago, someone tried to change the comparison to "just a bit larger than the state of Vermont," which is a very much more useful example, but it was shot down immediately and replaced again with the absurd "Alaskan county" example. For one thing, the state of Vermont actually exists, while Alaskan counties don't. Second, most Americans already have at least some vague idea how big Vermont is (small for a state, but very big for a county), and anybody who doesn't can find out very easily by just looking at any map of the United States. Although the state of Maryland is even closer in area to the median French region than Vermont is, Maryland's highly irregular outline makes it much harder to visualize, whereas Vermont's near-trapezoidal outline makes it ideal for this purpose (and it even has a French name!).
For these reasons, I'm going to change it back to Vermont. If Rockybiggs (who shot down Vermont the last time) or anybody else feels compelled to resurrect the mythical Alaskan county again, I hope they will at least read this explanation before they do so and consider how unhelpful they're being, not to mention wrong.-- Jim10701 ( talk) 01:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
What about Mayotte? Is Mayotte a region in and of itself, just like the other Overseas Regions/Departments? Inkan1969 ( talk) 05:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm puzzled. This says the regions were created in 1982. Lower Normandy says the region of Normandy was divided in 1956. Did the regions, or something like them, have any legal existence before 1982 or not? — Tamfang ( talk) 05:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
All the flags below are fake flags only created and added on Wikimedia Commons by SiBr4 by combinations of old flags. Those regions don't even have their defenitives names. You really should have a look on Nouvelle-Aquitaine. Please remove those fake flags.
Thank you. -- Mattho69 ( talk) 23:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't we mention La Porte Ouverte Chrétienne and their gathering in Mulhouse as it kicked off the Grand Est cluster? -- Pjacobi ( talk) 19:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
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I’d like to start a discussion on the use of English exonyms and translations in this article, especially in the table list of administrative region, which has some problematic or archaic English translations. While some of the regions/provinces of French do have specific English exonyms (for example Brittany, Normandy instead of Bretagne, Normandie), there are some literal English translations listed here that are never actually used in English. I.e., Franche-Comté is never referred to as “Free County” by historians or geographers, nor is Île-de-France referred to as “Island of France.” English exonyms should only be used when they are still in common parlance. See this page: /info/en/?search=English_exonyms.
I recommend the following modifications for the archaic, literal English translations. If we want to provide a literal translation in addition, that needs to be indicated with a note that they’re not in common usage.
Franche-Comté should be used instead of “Free County”
Grand Est should be used instead of “Great East”
Hauts-de-France should be used instead of “Upper France”
Île-de-France should be used instead of “Island of France”
Nouvelle-Aquitaine should be used instead of “New Aquitaine”
Pays de la Loire should be used instead of “Loire Countries”
Côte d’Azur should be used instead of “Azure Coast”
-- Mole2 ( talk) 18:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
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While this page has much information, it doesn't actually say what these regions do? Police? Schools? roads, public transport, courts, fire services?? i think explaining this would be very useful Foxdown ( talk) 17:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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The article France says there are 23 regions, whereas this one says 22: what is the actual number? Why is there this difference? - User:Oliver
the explanation for the regions is confusing. Also, I have recently learned that France has 22, NOT' 26 regions. Which one is right? plz let me know @ my page!'-- The lil lady with the hat 22:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)--
Has the 23rd region the exact same status as the other ones? "with conseil regional"? where is the capital/seat of the conseil regional of this region? -
User:Olivier
The map is wrong there is 2 regions for PACA : Provence Alpes Côte d'Azur
I remove this map : File:FDepartments.JPG
oops, we have 4 overseas regions, that makes a total of 26 regions !!! It's a very big issue, we always forget them... the 4 regions are la Guadeloupe, la Guyane, la Martinique, la Réunion, these are regions made of only one department.
Here's an interesting link [1]
linking to these one also
and, the map is wrong in more than one place... - User:Anthere
Any link to an official government page? -
User:Oliver
and this one [4] --ant
Government websites are talking of 26 regions. -
User:Olivier
Here is an interesting link (in French): 1999 census, including population of regions, departements and cities of more 100,000 inhabitants. Caution: "Aires urbaines de plus de 50,000 habitants" doesn't give the population of the cities, but the population of the "urban area", the city and its surroundings. http://www.dgcl.interieur.gouv.fr/publications/CL_en_chiffres/CL2001_ch01.pdf - User:Olivier
A good map here would be very helpful. I have an official government of France map showing the regions (22 + 4) and it seems to be the same as the one you removed. Perhaps someone could: 1) explain the map errors and 2) replace it with a good one? Thanks... Christine G.
I put up this map. It is politically correct and for foreigners in that it does not break Normandie into 2 but conversely shows the 3 distinct areas making the 1 region of Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur. (See Peter Mayle's book) There should be a map here, if someone doesn't like mine, put up something else but don't delete it because you don't understand.
can someone add more info about that supposed special status for Corse please. Izwalito
move request withdrawn, User:Mzajac showed me that this is an larger issue than I thought before. Too many French terms have no equivalent, so producing consistency in respect to worldwide subdivision naming produces inconsistency in the French subdivision series. Thanks Mzajac for your patience and your friendly arguing. Tobias Conradi 08:20, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Discussion
almost 100 pages for other countries are named like Counties of X, Provinces of X, or Regions of X. This is english wikipedia. After moving, a lot of re-redirects and even re-re-redirects have to be solved. see also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Subnational_entities/Naming. No other wikipedia except the french one uses the french word in the page title. Tobias Conradi 21:52, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I moved back to Région in France. The person who had moved to Régions of France did not even change the redirect pages, so that hundreds of article links were screwed up!! In tune with the other articles about French administrative divisions, the article should be named Région in France. There may be other countries with régions (with accent), such as French speaking countries from Africa for instance. Region without an accent is not a precise term, it refers to a geographical area, not to an administrative area. Hardouin 13:04, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
@Hardouin The person who had moved to Régions of France did not even change the redirect pages, so that hundreds of article links were screwed up!! so did you by your backmove Tobias Conradi 06:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I'm in favor of moving the article to " Regions of France", possibly " Régions of France" as plural seems to be the standard for subnational entity articles (with "of" rather than "in"; "in" may be the better choice for singular). If we can't agree on that, I prefer it to be placed back where it used to be (" List of regions in France" or " Regions of France"?). -- User:Docu
Why are the régions d'outre-mer numbered 971 to 974? — Insta ntnood 14:37, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
In the names of French regions and departments, the morphemes "Basse" and "Haute" seem to occur frequently. At first, I thought there was some place called "Haute" that got divided up. But further investigation indicate that these translate to "low" and "high", respectively. Would it be appropriate to translate them to "Lower" and "Upper" when they appear in these names? Either that or the more literal translations would be very helpful to English readers who don't speak much or any French. Thanks, Beland 05:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was reading the page on Corsica, and it mentions that it is one of the 26 régions of France. The term région redirects to region. Previously, it redirected to Régions of France, but the person who changed the redirect made this note: "amending redirect; France not the only country to use "région")." I think the redirect should go to this artcicle, Régions of France, and not to region. Anyone else agree? -- Hecktor 16:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This is really screwed up. Why the hell on earth are the French administrative divisions not translated? Région?!! It should be moved to region. It is pretty obvious. Nearly all other country articles' regions translate as such. Otherwise, it is plain stupid. There is no logical rationale to keep it at "région". I had this discussion at some place else, and I see it as the product of a really arrogant outlook on the world. When I am in the French wiki, I see no such article "States des USA".. The lack of logic is astounding. This article should be moved to "Regions of France" per et al, it doesn't matter if they refer to an administrative structure or something else. The precision of them being/not being an administrative structure should be given in the intro. That way, the uninformed readers will know what they are up against. This is called COMMON SENSE. This attitude is really bad encyclopedic behavior, and this is exactly the reason why the France article has not even been able to reach GA status whereas Belgium, Bangladesh, Australia and Nepal have become Featured Articles. The France article is not any better than a cheap tourism brochure. Baristarim 12:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Can someone clean up the maps at the bottom? They seem to be placed incorrectly on the page. I am not so hot at doing stuff like that, so if someone who is good at all the syntax could take care of it, that would be helpful...-- Dmz5 03:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
To Do: Add Appropriate Stub Markings to the Sub Aricles of this page.
hi,
i need to know about il-de-france for a school project i have most of my information but i need to know what regions surround it and something about it????help?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.29.67.53 ( talk) 20:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The General characteristics section compares the median land area of a French region to political divisions in various other countries. For the US, it's "about 25% of the median land area of an Alaskan county." One of many problems with that comparison is that Alaska has no counties.
Alaska's similar political unit is the borough, but an Alaskan borough is very much different from a county in other states, particularly in the range of sizes, which is enormous. Comparing anything to the median land area of an Alaskan borough is about as useful as comparing it to the median land area of all the countries on earth: nobody has a ready idea what a statement like that means, and it would take a huge amount of research to make it meaningful even to an Alaskan, much less anybody else. The whole point of making comparisons like this is to give the reader a quick idea of the scale of the thing by comparing it to something they're already familiar with, which this particular example fails miserably to do.
Several months ago, someone tried to change the comparison to "just a bit larger than the state of Vermont," which is a very much more useful example, but it was shot down immediately and replaced again with the absurd "Alaskan county" example. For one thing, the state of Vermont actually exists, while Alaskan counties don't. Second, most Americans already have at least some vague idea how big Vermont is (small for a state, but very big for a county), and anybody who doesn't can find out very easily by just looking at any map of the United States. Although the state of Maryland is even closer in area to the median French region than Vermont is, Maryland's highly irregular outline makes it much harder to visualize, whereas Vermont's near-trapezoidal outline makes it ideal for this purpose (and it even has a French name!).
For these reasons, I'm going to change it back to Vermont. If Rockybiggs (who shot down Vermont the last time) or anybody else feels compelled to resurrect the mythical Alaskan county again, I hope they will at least read this explanation before they do so and consider how unhelpful they're being, not to mention wrong.-- Jim10701 ( talk) 01:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
What about Mayotte? Is Mayotte a region in and of itself, just like the other Overseas Regions/Departments? Inkan1969 ( talk) 05:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm puzzled. This says the regions were created in 1982. Lower Normandy says the region of Normandy was divided in 1956. Did the regions, or something like them, have any legal existence before 1982 or not? — Tamfang ( talk) 05:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
All the flags below are fake flags only created and added on Wikimedia Commons by SiBr4 by combinations of old flags. Those regions don't even have their defenitives names. You really should have a look on Nouvelle-Aquitaine. Please remove those fake flags.
Thank you. -- Mattho69 ( talk) 23:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't we mention La Porte Ouverte Chrétienne and their gathering in Mulhouse as it kicked off the Grand Est cluster? -- Pjacobi ( talk) 19:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
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I’d like to start a discussion on the use of English exonyms and translations in this article, especially in the table list of administrative region, which has some problematic or archaic English translations. While some of the regions/provinces of French do have specific English exonyms (for example Brittany, Normandy instead of Bretagne, Normandie), there are some literal English translations listed here that are never actually used in English. I.e., Franche-Comté is never referred to as “Free County” by historians or geographers, nor is Île-de-France referred to as “Island of France.” English exonyms should only be used when they are still in common parlance. See this page: /info/en/?search=English_exonyms.
I recommend the following modifications for the archaic, literal English translations. If we want to provide a literal translation in addition, that needs to be indicated with a note that they’re not in common usage.
Franche-Comté should be used instead of “Free County”
Grand Est should be used instead of “Great East”
Hauts-de-France should be used instead of “Upper France”
Île-de-France should be used instead of “Island of France”
Nouvelle-Aquitaine should be used instead of “New Aquitaine”
Pays de la Loire should be used instead of “Loire Countries”
Côte d’Azur should be used instead of “Azure Coast”
-- Mole2 ( talk) 18:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
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While this page has much information, it doesn't actually say what these regions do? Police? Schools? roads, public transport, courts, fire services?? i think explaining this would be very useful Foxdown ( talk) 17:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)