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Thus it is viewed as racist and derogatory by some Caucasians.
I'm white European, and I find the term "Caucasian" insulting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.148.225 ( talk) 02:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I live in Britain and never have I heard a reference to "red hair" nor "redheads" - rather the word "ginger" is used almost exclusively. I think that it is widely-used enough to have some reference to it in the opening paragraph. SaintDaveUK ( talk) 00:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
In these following articles, ginger hair is used on its own as a synonym for red hair with not a single mention of the latter; Telegraph Daily Mirror Glamour Magazine Metro. A simple google search of "ginger hair" -red highlights this. I'm going to add a reference to "ginger" in the opening paragraph. SaintDaveUK ( talk) 17:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
One question though - why "ginger"? Ginger root is pale green/yellow, really more blonde when it's dried. What is the etymology of "Ginger" as a colour? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.170.27 ( talk) 02:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Would it be an idea to add this into the mythology section, the source is http://www.purgatory.net/kornelia/1603/red_hair_facts.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by SubaruImpreza2.0 ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It's all over the internet though that's the problem, I also even emailed them asking why they are putting this even on a site, it would be good to possibly add this and say it is a myth as quite frankly there is quite a lot of myths about red haired people, I myself are red haired and find it insulting so many of them even exist, Hitler though never discriminated against people on their hair colour.-- SubaruImpreza2.0 ( talk) 01:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the topless image recently added to the article per WP:ASTONISH. Anyone looking at my contributions will see I have a deep appreciation for WP:NOTCENSORED but there needs to be a suitable balance. -- NeilN talk to me 18:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
It seems another semi-nude image was added again by the same user as before - NCSR11 - who it appears, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ncsr11 , as of today - is retired and no longer active. I believe it should be reverted again. -- User:rigelan —Preceding undated comment added 20:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC).
The discussion on the suitability of a topless image in the article is moot. See the licence info on the poster image. "Fair use" only applies when it is being used to discuss the film or the poster themselves. It cannot be used for illustration on other articles. I have therefore removed it. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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It's not in citation for it. It states: As many as 10% of Scots and Irish people have ginger or strawberry blond hair, while it is thought that up to 35% carry a recessive "ginger gene". Time to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.59.99 ( talk) 21:30, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Some people have been saying that they have never heard of the word "redhead". I'm Irish & and I have red hair and I more often get called a "redhead" than a "ginger", so I think the article is fine as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.137.198.177 ( talk) 17:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I deleted "In Spain the prejudice is extended to so-colored cats and dogs." in the article because not is true. The book "Red Hair" was wrote by Trow Leavitt in 1851, and this man didn't understand the meaning of the original Spanish words "De tu pelo ni gato ni perro", not is about prejudice against redhead or cats and dogs, is only a joke!. I think that Trow Leavitt found this phrase in the book " Diccionario Castellano con las voces de ciencias y artes y sus correspondientes 3 lenguas" writed in 1788!. Actually in Spain nobody remember this strange phrase, and doesn't exist prejudice against redhead. It is fair to say that a country is prejudiced against redheads, because it says a book of more than two centuries ago. -- Kuronokoneko ( talk) 03:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
please add the insulting comments on The New Normal about redheads to examples — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.26.9 ( talk) 06:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone add a genetic explanation of why unrelated redheads appear to resemble each other more than people with other hair colors do? IanHistor ( talk) 11:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Instead it turns "buff" (a dull metallic color) and then later turns white. There are many sources on this fact that redheads never turn grey. This should be added to the article. 184.183.173.20 ( talk) 22:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I remember hearing some stories where early on people questioned the quarterback's ability to be an NFL starter because of his red hair (an uncommon trait for NFL playser). If there is a source for it, I would think that would be a worthwhile addition to the modern discrimination section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.118.120 ( talk) 06:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
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Please change paragraph one by adding, from New SCientist Jan 19-25 2013 . Last Word section (last page), paragraph 4 : Add : 13% of Scots are redhead and about 40%carry red head gene. Samoffat ( talk) 21:29, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Can someone change the wording of this line: (In December 2009 British supermarket chain Tesco was forced to withdraw a Christmas card which had the image of a child with red hair sitting on the lap of Santa Claus, and the words: "Santa loves all kids. Even ginger ones" after customers complained the card was offensive.[69])
to read "... Tesco decided to withdraw..." or simply 'Tesco withdrew'? The term 'forced' implies that Tesco did not have a choice, which is not reflected in the source article. The sentence would still explain that they removed the card under pressure using either alternative wording.
Any chance the picture of the grimacing woman could be replaced with this picture of my friend Mat? Available here: http://fitboost.co.uk/images/red_head.jpg
I confirm that I own the picture and all rights etc. and give permission.
Thanks guys
2.28.70.158 ( talk) 21:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I like the idea of having a wide variety of images showing different ages, genders and cultures. That being said the images still should be of good quality and should primarily be about red hair instead of just some photo that happens to have someone with red hair in it somewhere.
The rest are fine. The main one at the top is a great photo.
I've been editing this article off and on (mostly off) for years. I could have sworn we had a bunch of high quality ones in the past. If those still exist somewhere we should bring some of them back. If not, it seems likely we could find better photos than some of the current ones without too much effort. DreamGuy ( talk) 23:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
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this is an outright lie "In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish"i want to see proof not some guy who wrote a book in 1990,this bit "In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait" so Scots in scotland saw red hair as a Jewish trait? what about Scandinavian red heads Jews too? lol this is a joke 125.209.164.203 ( talk) 09:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Discussion on sourcing for percentages of redheads worldwide, move from ANI. Paul B ( talk) 16:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
As for the Red Hair article, I would appreciate feedback. The percentage of the world with red hair is not known and the citations for the statement do not go anywhere. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 16:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
I see the links has been changed now, the article actually states up to 2%, not "1-2%". I personally do not think this is an appropriate source but if you want an inaccurate statement left in the article I'll just leave that up to you guys then. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 16:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
The link in the citation says "Less than 1 percent of the human race may be redheads -- at most, 2.", how does that translate to 1-2%? ( Durham.bug ( talk) 18:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
Just for future reference; WP:DEADLINK - "Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer." Dead links show a requirement to repair the cite, or find another, not remove the content. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 19:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
In the Red Hair article I have read the link for citation 28 and it does not back up the statement in the wiki page. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 16:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
Abstract says, "Functional analyses show that this variant reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in pigmentation levels, potentially on the scale observed in modern humans."
Wiki article read “A DNA study has concluded that some Neanderthals also had red hair”. The abstract does not state Neanderthals had red hair, it just says they may have had differing levels of pigmentation in their skin and hair. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 18:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
So if it's got the word "science" in it, it's a reliable source? No, the study is the science part. Not sure if I can trust a website which can't spell "Neanderthals" correctly either. The citation doesn't even link directly to the study. And I have a decent understanding of what's it's talking about since I have a degree in biology. Let's read the abstract shall we:
"The melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) regulates pigmentation in humans and other vertebrates. Variants of MC1R with reduced function are associated with pale skin color and red hair in humans of primarily European origin. We amplified and sequenced a fragment of the MC1R gene (mc1r) from two Neanderthal remains. Both specimens have a mutation that was not found in ∼3700 modern humans analyzed. Functional analyses show that this variant reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in pigmentation levels, potentially on the scale observed in modern humans. Our data suggest that inactive MC1R variants evolved independently in both modern humans and Neanderthals."
Here's another news story citing the said study: Ancient DNA Reveals That Some Neanderthals Were Redheads. Search GoogleBooks for Moyra Smith's 2011 "Phenotypic Variation: Exploration and Functional Genomics", published by Oxford University Press. Here's her faculty page at the University of California, Irvine: [6]. Anyway, on page 32 of her book, Smith mentions the said study and states: "On the basis of these experiments, they propose that the Neanderthal individuals were red-haired and light-skinned". So I think it's clear that we can use the said study and the secondary sources which cite it.-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 11:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
"Ancient DNA retrieved from the bones of two Neanderthals suggests that at least some of them had red hair and pale skin". If you want to use secondary sources instead of the primary source just to keep a false statement in an article then I'll leave that up to yous because obviously you all know what you're talking about. Durham.bug ( talk) 14:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Me, I'd say. They have not claimed to have read it, and I'd doubt they have anyway because they are simply reporting a study being published. I can't read the paper because I can't get access to it. The abstract summaries it enough, if you bother to read it. Durham.bug ( talk) 23:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested that the Papuan women are not real redheads because they have dark roots. I've had a quick look at other images, and it seems that light hair with dark roots is not uncommon. I don't know why that is - whether it's a local genetic quirk or something to do with bleaching effects of sunlight. I don't think it's dye, as it seems to manifest itself in young children as well as adults, but I guess it's possible that it is some sort of local custom. All I can say is that it does not look like the kind of pattern normally created by growing out dyed hair. Here are the images I found: [7]. Paul B ( talk) 17:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
There is a known gene for blonde hair among Polynesians, which evolved separately from European blonde hair. Maybe you guys need your eyes checked but the woman in the image has dark roots coming through which means she has dyed her hair, simple as. If you read other parts of the wiki page you'll find it is very common in a lot of cultures to dye hair red (usually using natural products). Dying one's hair red does not mean you have red hair naturally. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 19:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
If there's zero evidence that's it been dyed, then surely there is zero evidence that it is natural? I'm also intrigued as to why they have these dark roots, what are they then? ( Durham.bug ( talk) 20:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
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Please add to the Fashion and art subsection of the Culture section:
On March 16, 2013, the world's first ever beauty and fashion event for redheads, Rock It Like A Redhead, was held in New York City. Comedian/podcaster Julie Klausner and musician Ted Leo covered the event for How Was Your Week with Julie Klausner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cY_UENY3vvs
http://howtobearedhead.com/rock-it-like-a-redhead/
199.167.126.152 ( talk) 17:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The statement about redheads having altered pain perception and associated low levels of vitamin K has no evidence. The cited article is about pain perception but never mentions vitamin K. Furthermore, I believe this has been included due to sloppy research. A brief search shows the food ginger has low levels of vitamin K, it is possible the term ginger was confused since it is also a pejorative for red heads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.205.173 ( talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Redhaired people have no soul. I wonder why this isn't mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilya-42 ( talk • contribs) 07:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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I request that the first red-headed man picture be removed as it was a recent addition and there already is a red-headed man picture further down the page. This new addition is likely a vanity project and is redundant. Kydo986 ( talk) 05:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
174.62.89.0 ( talk) 22:52, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree that it's good to have both a man and woman on the page. The new image has been added to reflect a different shade of red hair. The hair colour of the old 'smiley man' image was too similar to the woman in the following picture so the new image has been added to reflect that red hair does not mean just one hue; and in fact ginger, strawberry blonde, auburn etc. are all valid tones. -- SnollyPheasant ( talk) 01:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
SnollyPheasant continues to replace the picture with his own. Anyone change their mind and agree with his edit? -- NeilN talk to me 16:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree with SnollyPheasant's edit. I think the picture captures a different hue of red hair than the woman picture and it is nice to showcase both a man and woman at the top of the page. Remember to Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I have no evidence to suspect that SnollyPheasant is making a "vanity edit" and therefore, I don't assume that they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.61.213.48 ( talk) 07:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Lucille Ball and most of the other actresses you mentioned are not, in fact, redheads. Christina Hendricks, Emma Stone etc....I would love to see true red haired actresses names used. Dye ones hair red does not make a red head as your article proves.
Also love the mention of Vit. K deficiency and issues with pain and anesthetic. As a natural red head I can assure you the article is correct. I have had to deal with a lot anesthesia problems and bleeding issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testarossa686 ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Under geographic location for redheads please add Iraq within the "Asia" paragraph. It is quite common for the Iraqi polpulation located north and west of Baghdad to have a high incidence of redheads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CommanderKnight ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Muslim dye their hair red NOT BECAUSE MUHAMMAD (pbuoh) HAD RED HAIR! They dye grey hair with henna so they are distinguished from people of other beliefs who do not dye gray hair! I can't believe people write here without knowledge, by just making their assumptions! Shame on you, guys, who wrote the article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.173.45 ( talk) 14:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
This page has long needed a distribution map, like the one on the blond hair page. A report has appeared in the Guardian with some maps, although there is uncertainty about the source for the data. Could someone with some time please add them? Fig ( talk) 22:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to add a picture of redhead fraternal twins. This is my own work, uploaded to wikimedia commons as Red Hair Siblings.jpg. Dpulitzer ( talk) 04:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC) Dpulitzer ( talk) 04:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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06:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)http://www.scotlandsdna.com/app/webroot/files/press-release/ (go to the results of the Red-Head Project)
Would this research be authoritive enough to be included in Wikipedia? Their findings upset the old consensus by putting Scotland's percentage of red heads at just 6% rather than 13 (and England's at 4%), whilst also claiming that Yorkshire has more red hair gene carriers than either northern Scotland or northern and western Ireland. ProJared ( talk) 15:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to insert the following into the article:
"Genetic studies of dizygotic (fraternal) twins indicate that the M1CR gene is not solely responsible for the red hair phenotype; unidentified modifier genes exist, making variance in the M1CR gene necessary, but not always sufficient, for red hair production. (ref)"
Ref: Box NF, Wyeth JR, et al (October 1997). “Characterization of melanocyte stimulating hormone receptor variant alleles in twins with red hair.” Human Molecular Genetics 6(11):1891-1897.
(Suggested area for insertion: new paragraph at the end of the Biochemistry and genetics section.) Donald R. Pulitzer, M.D. Dpulitzer ( talk) 02:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
I come from Dagestan, ethnically Lak people. I have red hair. Some members of my family are red haired too. I also know other natural red haired lak (Russian лакцы) men. Neighbor people living there is dargins (Russian; даргинцы). Many of them have natural red hair. I also know that avar people have redheads. I found almost no information describing red haired northern caucasus men. I'm not saying northern caucasus men are extremely redhaired but it's not uncommon here. Peoples here are not of Celtic or Germanic or Slav heritage, So I believe this article should contain more information. I cannot write it for myself because of poor language skills.
Why is this page locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.41.184 ( talk) 21:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Gillian Anderson more notable as a redhead than the lasses off how I met your mother, or desperate housewives? given the character of Scully on the X-files drove a massive boost in red hair dye sales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.196 ( talk) 12:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Scully is THE redhead, I know loads of women who went red back in the 90s, because of Scully, definitely the most notable redhead! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.41.184 ( talk) 21:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I thought it'd be worth adding a pic of Canelo, a Mexican boxer who is pretty literally becoming world famous for being a white Mexican with ginger hair. His nickname "Canelo" is Mexican for "Cinnamon" in reference to his ginger hair. I mean the first pic of the ginger pretty much looks like him anyway so why not add something about him?
This currently redirects here. While I am not sure of orange hair is encyclopedic - see Template:Hair colors - I've created a commons:Category:Orange hair for hair that is clearly orange, not red (dyed, or in art). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I find this sentence quite doubtful --> "In 2000, Harding et al. concluded that red hair was not the result of positive selection and instead proposed that it occurs because of a lack of negative selection. In Africa, for example, red hair is selected against because high levels of sun would be harmful to untanned skin. However, in Northern Europe this does not happen, so redheads come about through genetic drift.[28]"
I think it's highly unlikely that a genetic trait so macroscopically visible could not be brought about by sheer genetic drift. There is some cause here. I have a few guesses, such as color-contrast to increase visibility or indirect result of other genetic advantages, but there is a lot more research that needs to be done there. I'd appreciate it if anyone was interested in reading a bit more on the literature already out there. I find it incredibly doubtful the common consensus is there is no genetic underpinnings. No All Who Wander Are Lost ( talk) 17:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it popular for red hair people to have brown eyes?
Why it is missing "brown eyes" for the "Red hair" article?
Is "Ginger" derogatory? I read in a few places that it was. It's really a British term, I know that. I'm American and we say "red-hair" which is not derogatory. 2602:306:BDA0:97A0:466D:57FF:FE90:AC45 ( talk) 12:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
It now seems to be a fact that Europeans have about 3-5 per cent Neanderthal genes. What is most interesting is that it has been found out that Neanderthals had the gene for red hair. In fact European red hair and blond hair may be a Neanderthal trait. Look at this clip. The red hair gene comes in about minute 40: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uRCVyJ7-0c Pipo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.73.132.74 ( talk) 17:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Refer to "Jeffrey Mogil and colleagues at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, recently discovered that some variants of the MC1R gene make people and mice more sensitive to pain and to pain relief mediated through the kappa-opioid receptor in the brain. Clinically, though, pain relief mediated through the mu-opioid receptor is more important. Now, the McGill team has found that mice lacking a functional MC1R gene, as well as human redheads, are also less sensitive to painful stimuli and more responsive to a morphine-like compound that acts through the mu-opioid receptor."
http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX031151.html
Current section is contradictory and confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by No All Who Wander Are Lost ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Weird enough, the MythBusters seem to have busted this (at least with thermal pain). Pain tolerances are more of an individualistic trait (it even can be trained) that a hair color-associated trait.-- 83.40.73.52 ( talk) 16:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
On another related topic (see my comment on orange hair above), I do wonder about the stand-alone notability of separate articles on Auburn hair and Titian hair, neither of which seems to even have a Commons category... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I've added the Mirror article; as with the previous round of hoax articles there's no science behind this. I can't think of any "leading scientists" who wouldn't want to give their names to experimental work. On further investigation, it would seem the person quoted in the article a) doesn't seem to have a doctorate, and b) has been criticised before for using the media to push commercial interests. So I add that not to denigrate Mr Moffat, but to highlight the hoaxy nature of the Mirror article.
I should declare that I work for the same institution as some of the scientists that have criticised ScotlandsDNA and Mr Moffat. However, I work in a completely different subject and department and had not been aware of this before researching for this post. Am actually quite proud that they stand up against pseudoscience and commercial peddling masquerading as journalism, but in the interests of neutrality, I thought I'd mention it. -- Davoloid ( talk) 14:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
And lo: there are a couple of articles in the last few days: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/10/redheads-die-out-extinction-ginger-gene-bad-science-red-hair
-- Davoloid ( talk) 11:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
What about Pippi Longstocking,why she is not mentioned in culture fashion and art subtitle? Kamuran Ötükenli ( talk) 20:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
You are welcome to add it MicroMacroMania ( talk) 12:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone with edit rights should fix all occurrences of "red haired" (without hyphen) to match "red-haired" in the rest of the article.
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References like this makes Wikipedia laughable. I mean really, a newspaper article as proof of a statistic? I'm taking it out.
I am curating this article because it is overwhelmingly unreferenced. Using newspaper articles about red heads is also amateurish. I believe all writing and editing has been done in good faith, but...WOW, this is bad.
Redheads constitute 1-2% of the USA population prior to the 1960's immigration reform. As people of European descent officially constitute no more then 13% of the world population such a high number would have resulted in every 7th European descended person being a redhead, something that we do not observe. -Dany
March 10:55 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.247.192.141 ( talk) 09:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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The reference for the claim that the Scottish population has 13% red hair and 40% carrying the gene, points to an article that says Scots have 10% red hair and 35% carrying the gene. This statement is therefore wrong and should be changed to reflect it's source. 109.232.83.50 ( talk) 12:39, 2 April 2015 (UTC) STEPH 109.232.83.50 ( talk) 12:39, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Done - well spotted -
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Thanks Arjayay, I'm not quite sure if you get this as a response because I'm unsure of how it works. But Further to that request, surely now it cannot be claimed that Scotland has the most people with red hair? That false figure of 13% that was on here for so long has now made its way around the internet as gospel. Surely if the % is the same but far more Irish people carry the gene, the article should be changed to reflect this. Also a reference for this is the Oxford University study "People of the British Isles": http://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/press/nl1.pdf 109.232.83.50 ( talk) 12:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC) STEPH 2A00:1DD0:5B1:4100:5CEB:DD1C:A7C5:2112 ( talk) 19:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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There were two edits by a new user in April that:
Since the article already had a serviceable picture, I request these two changes be reverted.
Kydo986 ( talk) 03:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Homer, in The Odyssey, describes Menelaus as a "red-haired king" and "king with flaming hair". Menelaus was king of Sparta, husband of the famous "Helen of Troy", brother of Agamemnon. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.51.16 ( talk) 14:40, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I reverted your edit @ SStephens13: because of multiple reasons. @ Liz: had some good points, but I also would say that the uncited claim that South Park was what introduced the term "Ginger" is an outrageous claim at best. It * might* have increased awareness of the term, or increased its usage, but that will still require sourcing. Jcmcc ( Talk) 14:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Take a close look to the left picture. How is this considered red hair? This is obviously dark blonde hair. And for the most part the same is the beard of the man, only the sideburns could be hardly considered red, but they do not look convincingly red to say so, the sideburns rather look darker brown, while the rest of the hair and beard lighter brown/golden brown. The sideburns of Caucasoids are usually darker than the rest of the hair and beard, so even the sideburns of the man are just a darker shade of brown.
This is the color that mostly resembles the left man, that his hair appears red from distance is an optical illusion but if you look close there are only traces to blondism to be found. Compare the left and the right picture Evropariver ( talk) 13:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
The left doesn't look like red hair to me,(probably beard partially) what I see is blond/brown hair, That's why I changed it, otherwise I would not use an image of myself, to use my hair to correct the inappropriate image was the first thought that came to my mind. The image of the man should be replaced by any suitable image because the shade is at least controversial, preferably with more intense shade if it will be in the lead. Maybe the man on the left is red-haired but the camera did not capture his shade red, this often happens to my photos. Evropariver ( talk) 15:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Let's compare with celebrities, for example the Irish wrestling superstar Sheamus.
His hair is
. I notice a contrast between him and the man in the article with the
color. Evropariver ( talk) 18:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
There are better images of course, the more important thing is that the current image may be not a redhead and actually out of place in this article. Find a better image than mine, it is with what I show the contrast between golden brown and red hair color, I don't insist that it should necessarily be pushed in the article. The hair of the man on left still looks like golden brown to me. That's a basic assumption of mine, I am not an expert on colors. I had expected that everybody was going to agree that the hair of this man is obviously blonde/brown, but it did not happen actually. I hope more people will take part in the discussion, especially experts on colors should take part. Somebody who understands well the colors should better define these hair colors. -- Evropariver ( talk) 23:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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In this text, Israel is written, and considered as a country. However, it's called Palestine. I hope you would change Israel to Palestine Thank you 78.40.176.181 ( talk) 14:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Since there's no Edit function in the main article (why not?) I'm making this comment here in the hope someone with better access can fix it. "Redheadday" (one word) is a typical Dutch spelling mistake when writing English (words are often combined in Dutch, and Dutch-speakers mistakenly carry the same habit over into English, writing things like "hotelreservation" and "salesmanager"). The title of the English article on the Dutch festival appears correctly as "Redhead Day". 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 13:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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Thus it is viewed as racist and derogatory by some Caucasians.
I'm white European, and I find the term "Caucasian" insulting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.148.225 ( talk) 02:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I live in Britain and never have I heard a reference to "red hair" nor "redheads" - rather the word "ginger" is used almost exclusively. I think that it is widely-used enough to have some reference to it in the opening paragraph. SaintDaveUK ( talk) 00:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
In these following articles, ginger hair is used on its own as a synonym for red hair with not a single mention of the latter; Telegraph Daily Mirror Glamour Magazine Metro. A simple google search of "ginger hair" -red highlights this. I'm going to add a reference to "ginger" in the opening paragraph. SaintDaveUK ( talk) 17:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
One question though - why "ginger"? Ginger root is pale green/yellow, really more blonde when it's dried. What is the etymology of "Ginger" as a colour? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.170.27 ( talk) 02:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Would it be an idea to add this into the mythology section, the source is http://www.purgatory.net/kornelia/1603/red_hair_facts.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by SubaruImpreza2.0 ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It's all over the internet though that's the problem, I also even emailed them asking why they are putting this even on a site, it would be good to possibly add this and say it is a myth as quite frankly there is quite a lot of myths about red haired people, I myself are red haired and find it insulting so many of them even exist, Hitler though never discriminated against people on their hair colour.-- SubaruImpreza2.0 ( talk) 01:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the topless image recently added to the article per WP:ASTONISH. Anyone looking at my contributions will see I have a deep appreciation for WP:NOTCENSORED but there needs to be a suitable balance. -- NeilN talk to me 18:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
It seems another semi-nude image was added again by the same user as before - NCSR11 - who it appears, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ncsr11 , as of today - is retired and no longer active. I believe it should be reverted again. -- User:rigelan —Preceding undated comment added 20:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC).
The discussion on the suitability of a topless image in the article is moot. See the licence info on the poster image. "Fair use" only applies when it is being used to discuss the film or the poster themselves. It cannot be used for illustration on other articles. I have therefore removed it. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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It's not in citation for it. It states: As many as 10% of Scots and Irish people have ginger or strawberry blond hair, while it is thought that up to 35% carry a recessive "ginger gene". Time to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.59.99 ( talk) 21:30, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Some people have been saying that they have never heard of the word "redhead". I'm Irish & and I have red hair and I more often get called a "redhead" than a "ginger", so I think the article is fine as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.137.198.177 ( talk) 17:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I deleted "In Spain the prejudice is extended to so-colored cats and dogs." in the article because not is true. The book "Red Hair" was wrote by Trow Leavitt in 1851, and this man didn't understand the meaning of the original Spanish words "De tu pelo ni gato ni perro", not is about prejudice against redhead or cats and dogs, is only a joke!. I think that Trow Leavitt found this phrase in the book " Diccionario Castellano con las voces de ciencias y artes y sus correspondientes 3 lenguas" writed in 1788!. Actually in Spain nobody remember this strange phrase, and doesn't exist prejudice against redhead. It is fair to say that a country is prejudiced against redheads, because it says a book of more than two centuries ago. -- Kuronokoneko ( talk) 03:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
please add the insulting comments on The New Normal about redheads to examples — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.26.9 ( talk) 06:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone add a genetic explanation of why unrelated redheads appear to resemble each other more than people with other hair colors do? IanHistor ( talk) 11:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Instead it turns "buff" (a dull metallic color) and then later turns white. There are many sources on this fact that redheads never turn grey. This should be added to the article. 184.183.173.20 ( talk) 22:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I remember hearing some stories where early on people questioned the quarterback's ability to be an NFL starter because of his red hair (an uncommon trait for NFL playser). If there is a source for it, I would think that would be a worthwhile addition to the modern discrimination section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.118.120 ( talk) 06:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
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Please change paragraph one by adding, from New SCientist Jan 19-25 2013 . Last Word section (last page), paragraph 4 : Add : 13% of Scots are redhead and about 40%carry red head gene. Samoffat ( talk) 21:29, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Can someone change the wording of this line: (In December 2009 British supermarket chain Tesco was forced to withdraw a Christmas card which had the image of a child with red hair sitting on the lap of Santa Claus, and the words: "Santa loves all kids. Even ginger ones" after customers complained the card was offensive.[69])
to read "... Tesco decided to withdraw..." or simply 'Tesco withdrew'? The term 'forced' implies that Tesco did not have a choice, which is not reflected in the source article. The sentence would still explain that they removed the card under pressure using either alternative wording.
Any chance the picture of the grimacing woman could be replaced with this picture of my friend Mat? Available here: http://fitboost.co.uk/images/red_head.jpg
I confirm that I own the picture and all rights etc. and give permission.
Thanks guys
2.28.70.158 ( talk) 21:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I like the idea of having a wide variety of images showing different ages, genders and cultures. That being said the images still should be of good quality and should primarily be about red hair instead of just some photo that happens to have someone with red hair in it somewhere.
The rest are fine. The main one at the top is a great photo.
I've been editing this article off and on (mostly off) for years. I could have sworn we had a bunch of high quality ones in the past. If those still exist somewhere we should bring some of them back. If not, it seems likely we could find better photos than some of the current ones without too much effort. DreamGuy ( talk) 23:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
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this is an outright lie "In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish"i want to see proof not some guy who wrote a book in 1990,this bit "In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait" so Scots in scotland saw red hair as a Jewish trait? what about Scandinavian red heads Jews too? lol this is a joke 125.209.164.203 ( talk) 09:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Discussion on sourcing for percentages of redheads worldwide, move from ANI. Paul B ( talk) 16:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
As for the Red Hair article, I would appreciate feedback. The percentage of the world with red hair is not known and the citations for the statement do not go anywhere. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 16:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
I see the links has been changed now, the article actually states up to 2%, not "1-2%". I personally do not think this is an appropriate source but if you want an inaccurate statement left in the article I'll just leave that up to you guys then. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 16:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
The link in the citation says "Less than 1 percent of the human race may be redheads -- at most, 2.", how does that translate to 1-2%? ( Durham.bug ( talk) 18:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
Just for future reference; WP:DEADLINK - "Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer." Dead links show a requirement to repair the cite, or find another, not remove the content. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 19:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
In the Red Hair article I have read the link for citation 28 and it does not back up the statement in the wiki page. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 16:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
Abstract says, "Functional analyses show that this variant reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in pigmentation levels, potentially on the scale observed in modern humans."
Wiki article read “A DNA study has concluded that some Neanderthals also had red hair”. The abstract does not state Neanderthals had red hair, it just says they may have had differing levels of pigmentation in their skin and hair. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 18:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
So if it's got the word "science" in it, it's a reliable source? No, the study is the science part. Not sure if I can trust a website which can't spell "Neanderthals" correctly either. The citation doesn't even link directly to the study. And I have a decent understanding of what's it's talking about since I have a degree in biology. Let's read the abstract shall we:
"The melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) regulates pigmentation in humans and other vertebrates. Variants of MC1R with reduced function are associated with pale skin color and red hair in humans of primarily European origin. We amplified and sequenced a fragment of the MC1R gene (mc1r) from two Neanderthal remains. Both specimens have a mutation that was not found in ∼3700 modern humans analyzed. Functional analyses show that this variant reduces MC1R activity to a level that alters hair and/or skin pigmentation in humans. The impaired activity of this variant suggests that Neanderthals varied in pigmentation levels, potentially on the scale observed in modern humans. Our data suggest that inactive MC1R variants evolved independently in both modern humans and Neanderthals."
Here's another news story citing the said study: Ancient DNA Reveals That Some Neanderthals Were Redheads. Search GoogleBooks for Moyra Smith's 2011 "Phenotypic Variation: Exploration and Functional Genomics", published by Oxford University Press. Here's her faculty page at the University of California, Irvine: [6]. Anyway, on page 32 of her book, Smith mentions the said study and states: "On the basis of these experiments, they propose that the Neanderthal individuals were red-haired and light-skinned". So I think it's clear that we can use the said study and the secondary sources which cite it.-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 11:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
"Ancient DNA retrieved from the bones of two Neanderthals suggests that at least some of them had red hair and pale skin". If you want to use secondary sources instead of the primary source just to keep a false statement in an article then I'll leave that up to yous because obviously you all know what you're talking about. Durham.bug ( talk) 14:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Me, I'd say. They have not claimed to have read it, and I'd doubt they have anyway because they are simply reporting a study being published. I can't read the paper because I can't get access to it. The abstract summaries it enough, if you bother to read it. Durham.bug ( talk) 23:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested that the Papuan women are not real redheads because they have dark roots. I've had a quick look at other images, and it seems that light hair with dark roots is not uncommon. I don't know why that is - whether it's a local genetic quirk or something to do with bleaching effects of sunlight. I don't think it's dye, as it seems to manifest itself in young children as well as adults, but I guess it's possible that it is some sort of local custom. All I can say is that it does not look like the kind of pattern normally created by growing out dyed hair. Here are the images I found: [7]. Paul B ( talk) 17:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
There is a known gene for blonde hair among Polynesians, which evolved separately from European blonde hair. Maybe you guys need your eyes checked but the woman in the image has dark roots coming through which means she has dyed her hair, simple as. If you read other parts of the wiki page you'll find it is very common in a lot of cultures to dye hair red (usually using natural products). Dying one's hair red does not mean you have red hair naturally. ( Durham.bug ( talk) 19:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
If there's zero evidence that's it been dyed, then surely there is zero evidence that it is natural? I'm also intrigued as to why they have these dark roots, what are they then? ( Durham.bug ( talk) 20:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC))
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Please add to the Fashion and art subsection of the Culture section:
On March 16, 2013, the world's first ever beauty and fashion event for redheads, Rock It Like A Redhead, was held in New York City. Comedian/podcaster Julie Klausner and musician Ted Leo covered the event for How Was Your Week with Julie Klausner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cY_UENY3vvs
http://howtobearedhead.com/rock-it-like-a-redhead/
199.167.126.152 ( talk) 17:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The statement about redheads having altered pain perception and associated low levels of vitamin K has no evidence. The cited article is about pain perception but never mentions vitamin K. Furthermore, I believe this has been included due to sloppy research. A brief search shows the food ginger has low levels of vitamin K, it is possible the term ginger was confused since it is also a pejorative for red heads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.205.173 ( talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Redhaired people have no soul. I wonder why this isn't mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilya-42 ( talk • contribs) 07:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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I request that the first red-headed man picture be removed as it was a recent addition and there already is a red-headed man picture further down the page. This new addition is likely a vanity project and is redundant. Kydo986 ( talk) 05:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
174.62.89.0 ( talk) 22:52, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree that it's good to have both a man and woman on the page. The new image has been added to reflect a different shade of red hair. The hair colour of the old 'smiley man' image was too similar to the woman in the following picture so the new image has been added to reflect that red hair does not mean just one hue; and in fact ginger, strawberry blonde, auburn etc. are all valid tones. -- SnollyPheasant ( talk) 01:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
SnollyPheasant continues to replace the picture with his own. Anyone change their mind and agree with his edit? -- NeilN talk to me 16:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree with SnollyPheasant's edit. I think the picture captures a different hue of red hair than the woman picture and it is nice to showcase both a man and woman at the top of the page. Remember to Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I have no evidence to suspect that SnollyPheasant is making a "vanity edit" and therefore, I don't assume that they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.61.213.48 ( talk) 07:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Lucille Ball and most of the other actresses you mentioned are not, in fact, redheads. Christina Hendricks, Emma Stone etc....I would love to see true red haired actresses names used. Dye ones hair red does not make a red head as your article proves.
Also love the mention of Vit. K deficiency and issues with pain and anesthetic. As a natural red head I can assure you the article is correct. I have had to deal with a lot anesthesia problems and bleeding issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testarossa686 ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Under geographic location for redheads please add Iraq within the "Asia" paragraph. It is quite common for the Iraqi polpulation located north and west of Baghdad to have a high incidence of redheads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CommanderKnight ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Muslim dye their hair red NOT BECAUSE MUHAMMAD (pbuoh) HAD RED HAIR! They dye grey hair with henna so they are distinguished from people of other beliefs who do not dye gray hair! I can't believe people write here without knowledge, by just making their assumptions! Shame on you, guys, who wrote the article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.173.45 ( talk) 14:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
This page has long needed a distribution map, like the one on the blond hair page. A report has appeared in the Guardian with some maps, although there is uncertainty about the source for the data. Could someone with some time please add them? Fig ( talk) 22:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to add a picture of redhead fraternal twins. This is my own work, uploaded to wikimedia commons as Red Hair Siblings.jpg. Dpulitzer ( talk) 04:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC) Dpulitzer ( talk) 04:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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Would this research be authoritive enough to be included in Wikipedia? Their findings upset the old consensus by putting Scotland's percentage of red heads at just 6% rather than 13 (and England's at 4%), whilst also claiming that Yorkshire has more red hair gene carriers than either northern Scotland or northern and western Ireland. ProJared ( talk) 15:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to insert the following into the article:
"Genetic studies of dizygotic (fraternal) twins indicate that the M1CR gene is not solely responsible for the red hair phenotype; unidentified modifier genes exist, making variance in the M1CR gene necessary, but not always sufficient, for red hair production. (ref)"
Ref: Box NF, Wyeth JR, et al (October 1997). “Characterization of melanocyte stimulating hormone receptor variant alleles in twins with red hair.” Human Molecular Genetics 6(11):1891-1897.
(Suggested area for insertion: new paragraph at the end of the Biochemistry and genetics section.) Donald R. Pulitzer, M.D. Dpulitzer ( talk) 02:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
I come from Dagestan, ethnically Lak people. I have red hair. Some members of my family are red haired too. I also know other natural red haired lak (Russian лакцы) men. Neighbor people living there is dargins (Russian; даргинцы). Many of them have natural red hair. I also know that avar people have redheads. I found almost no information describing red haired northern caucasus men. I'm not saying northern caucasus men are extremely redhaired but it's not uncommon here. Peoples here are not of Celtic or Germanic or Slav heritage, So I believe this article should contain more information. I cannot write it for myself because of poor language skills.
Why is this page locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.41.184 ( talk) 21:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Gillian Anderson more notable as a redhead than the lasses off how I met your mother, or desperate housewives? given the character of Scully on the X-files drove a massive boost in red hair dye sales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.196 ( talk) 12:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Scully is THE redhead, I know loads of women who went red back in the 90s, because of Scully, definitely the most notable redhead! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.41.184 ( talk) 21:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I thought it'd be worth adding a pic of Canelo, a Mexican boxer who is pretty literally becoming world famous for being a white Mexican with ginger hair. His nickname "Canelo" is Mexican for "Cinnamon" in reference to his ginger hair. I mean the first pic of the ginger pretty much looks like him anyway so why not add something about him?
This currently redirects here. While I am not sure of orange hair is encyclopedic - see Template:Hair colors - I've created a commons:Category:Orange hair for hair that is clearly orange, not red (dyed, or in art). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I find this sentence quite doubtful --> "In 2000, Harding et al. concluded that red hair was not the result of positive selection and instead proposed that it occurs because of a lack of negative selection. In Africa, for example, red hair is selected against because high levels of sun would be harmful to untanned skin. However, in Northern Europe this does not happen, so redheads come about through genetic drift.[28]"
I think it's highly unlikely that a genetic trait so macroscopically visible could not be brought about by sheer genetic drift. There is some cause here. I have a few guesses, such as color-contrast to increase visibility or indirect result of other genetic advantages, but there is a lot more research that needs to be done there. I'd appreciate it if anyone was interested in reading a bit more on the literature already out there. I find it incredibly doubtful the common consensus is there is no genetic underpinnings. No All Who Wander Are Lost ( talk) 17:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it popular for red hair people to have brown eyes?
Why it is missing "brown eyes" for the "Red hair" article?
Is "Ginger" derogatory? I read in a few places that it was. It's really a British term, I know that. I'm American and we say "red-hair" which is not derogatory. 2602:306:BDA0:97A0:466D:57FF:FE90:AC45 ( talk) 12:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
It now seems to be a fact that Europeans have about 3-5 per cent Neanderthal genes. What is most interesting is that it has been found out that Neanderthals had the gene for red hair. In fact European red hair and blond hair may be a Neanderthal trait. Look at this clip. The red hair gene comes in about minute 40: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uRCVyJ7-0c Pipo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.73.132.74 ( talk) 17:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Refer to "Jeffrey Mogil and colleagues at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, recently discovered that some variants of the MC1R gene make people and mice more sensitive to pain and to pain relief mediated through the kappa-opioid receptor in the brain. Clinically, though, pain relief mediated through the mu-opioid receptor is more important. Now, the McGill team has found that mice lacking a functional MC1R gene, as well as human redheads, are also less sensitive to painful stimuli and more responsive to a morphine-like compound that acts through the mu-opioid receptor."
http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX031151.html
Current section is contradictory and confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by No All Who Wander Are Lost ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Weird enough, the MythBusters seem to have busted this (at least with thermal pain). Pain tolerances are more of an individualistic trait (it even can be trained) that a hair color-associated trait.-- 83.40.73.52 ( talk) 16:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
On another related topic (see my comment on orange hair above), I do wonder about the stand-alone notability of separate articles on Auburn hair and Titian hair, neither of which seems to even have a Commons category... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I've added the Mirror article; as with the previous round of hoax articles there's no science behind this. I can't think of any "leading scientists" who wouldn't want to give their names to experimental work. On further investigation, it would seem the person quoted in the article a) doesn't seem to have a doctorate, and b) has been criticised before for using the media to push commercial interests. So I add that not to denigrate Mr Moffat, but to highlight the hoaxy nature of the Mirror article.
I should declare that I work for the same institution as some of the scientists that have criticised ScotlandsDNA and Mr Moffat. However, I work in a completely different subject and department and had not been aware of this before researching for this post. Am actually quite proud that they stand up against pseudoscience and commercial peddling masquerading as journalism, but in the interests of neutrality, I thought I'd mention it. -- Davoloid ( talk) 14:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
And lo: there are a couple of articles in the last few days: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/10/redheads-die-out-extinction-ginger-gene-bad-science-red-hair
-- Davoloid ( talk) 11:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
What about Pippi Longstocking,why she is not mentioned in culture fashion and art subtitle? Kamuran Ötükenli ( talk) 20:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
You are welcome to add it MicroMacroMania ( talk) 12:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone with edit rights should fix all occurrences of "red haired" (without hyphen) to match "red-haired" in the rest of the article.
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References like this makes Wikipedia laughable. I mean really, a newspaper article as proof of a statistic? I'm taking it out.
I am curating this article because it is overwhelmingly unreferenced. Using newspaper articles about red heads is also amateurish. I believe all writing and editing has been done in good faith, but...WOW, this is bad.
Redheads constitute 1-2% of the USA population prior to the 1960's immigration reform. As people of European descent officially constitute no more then 13% of the world population such a high number would have resulted in every 7th European descended person being a redhead, something that we do not observe. -Dany
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Yes, as a matter of fact, the article misses one very important fact: the origin of the use of the term "redhead" for people with orange hair. On a website/podcast called "Grammar Girl", the suggestion is made that, because the term "orange", used to describe the fruit of the same name, didn't come into use until the 15th century, that orange-haired people were simply referred to as "redheads". And, by the time "orange" came into popularity, using the term "redhead" was too ingrained. 184.100.214.145 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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The reference for the claim that the Scottish population has 13% red hair and 40% carrying the gene, points to an article that says Scots have 10% red hair and 35% carrying the gene. This statement is therefore wrong and should be changed to reflect it's source. 109.232.83.50 ( talk) 12:39, 2 April 2015 (UTC) STEPH 109.232.83.50 ( talk) 12:39, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Done - well spotted -
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Thanks Arjayay, I'm not quite sure if you get this as a response because I'm unsure of how it works. But Further to that request, surely now it cannot be claimed that Scotland has the most people with red hair? That false figure of 13% that was on here for so long has now made its way around the internet as gospel. Surely if the % is the same but far more Irish people carry the gene, the article should be changed to reflect this. Also a reference for this is the Oxford University study "People of the British Isles": http://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/press/nl1.pdf 109.232.83.50 ( talk) 12:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC) STEPH 2A00:1DD0:5B1:4100:5CEB:DD1C:A7C5:2112 ( talk) 19:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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There were two edits by a new user in April that:
Since the article already had a serviceable picture, I request these two changes be reverted.
Kydo986 ( talk) 03:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Homer, in The Odyssey, describes Menelaus as a "red-haired king" and "king with flaming hair". Menelaus was king of Sparta, husband of the famous "Helen of Troy", brother of Agamemnon. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.51.16 ( talk) 14:40, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I reverted your edit @ SStephens13: because of multiple reasons. @ Liz: had some good points, but I also would say that the uncited claim that South Park was what introduced the term "Ginger" is an outrageous claim at best. It * might* have increased awareness of the term, or increased its usage, but that will still require sourcing. Jcmcc ( Talk) 14:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Take a close look to the left picture. How is this considered red hair? This is obviously dark blonde hair. And for the most part the same is the beard of the man, only the sideburns could be hardly considered red, but they do not look convincingly red to say so, the sideburns rather look darker brown, while the rest of the hair and beard lighter brown/golden brown. The sideburns of Caucasoids are usually darker than the rest of the hair and beard, so even the sideburns of the man are just a darker shade of brown.
This is the color that mostly resembles the left man, that his hair appears red from distance is an optical illusion but if you look close there are only traces to blondism to be found. Compare the left and the right picture Evropariver ( talk) 13:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
The left doesn't look like red hair to me,(probably beard partially) what I see is blond/brown hair, That's why I changed it, otherwise I would not use an image of myself, to use my hair to correct the inappropriate image was the first thought that came to my mind. The image of the man should be replaced by any suitable image because the shade is at least controversial, preferably with more intense shade if it will be in the lead. Maybe the man on the left is red-haired but the camera did not capture his shade red, this often happens to my photos. Evropariver ( talk) 15:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Let's compare with celebrities, for example the Irish wrestling superstar Sheamus.
His hair is
. I notice a contrast between him and the man in the article with the
color. Evropariver ( talk) 18:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
There are better images of course, the more important thing is that the current image may be not a redhead and actually out of place in this article. Find a better image than mine, it is with what I show the contrast between golden brown and red hair color, I don't insist that it should necessarily be pushed in the article. The hair of the man on left still looks like golden brown to me. That's a basic assumption of mine, I am not an expert on colors. I had expected that everybody was going to agree that the hair of this man is obviously blonde/brown, but it did not happen actually. I hope more people will take part in the discussion, especially experts on colors should take part. Somebody who understands well the colors should better define these hair colors. -- Evropariver ( talk) 23:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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In this text, Israel is written, and considered as a country. However, it's called Palestine. I hope you would change Israel to Palestine Thank you 78.40.176.181 ( talk) 14:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Since there's no Edit function in the main article (why not?) I'm making this comment here in the hope someone with better access can fix it. "Redheadday" (one word) is a typical Dutch spelling mistake when writing English (words are often combined in Dutch, and Dutch-speakers mistakenly carry the same habit over into English, writing things like "hotelreservation" and "salesmanager"). The title of the English article on the Dutch festival appears correctly as "Redhead Day". 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 13:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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