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I propose that the stars in the logo get removed. Is this okay? ( LAz17 ( talk) 23:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)).
To be more precise it´s one European and one Intercontinental, but anyway, thanx a lot Theirrulez, and the link about the Star (football crest) was very usefull here :) FkpCascais ( talk) 18:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome, I'm a football lover too. ;) Theirrulez ( talk) 18:10, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Each star means that the club won 10 tittles in the domestic competition. The stars are a part of the logo. The thing about this logo is that it is not the official one, this logo is the old logo that in the last 4 years the marketing department is trying to promote. It will be officially adopted in the next GA. The actual logo (u can find it on the UEFA site) was incorporated more than 10 years ago. The rumors were that there was pressure to put blue color in the logo so it can remind people of the Serbian flag (red blue white). One more thing, from this season the official 2nd jersey is blue. I dont know how to change things here, I am just trying to help you.
As FkpCascais has mentioned, the name Crvena zvezda is pretty hard to pronounce for the people not coming from the former Yugoslavia. That's when I've noticed we don't have IPA pronunciation here, and it would be very useful. I believe it should be something like [tsrvænʌ zvæzdʌ], but, unfortunately, I am not sure if I am right, and I don't want to write something I am not sure of. Is there anyone willing to put up a correct IPA pronunciation of the Serbian name here?-- Vitriden ( talk) 22:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
How can I help?
As can be seen, Real Madrid is not the english name. Hence, we need it to be english, not spanish, at least that is what certain people say here. Hence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Real_Madrid_C.F.#Requested_move_2 is available for you to try to ruin that page too. Cheers. ( LAz17 ( talk) 03:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)).
Can someone please give a warning to Laz about the kind of language and attitude he has been having here. He already said profanities on my talk page, and now he does it here with all people that disagrees with him. He has been disruptive and doesn´t even bother to check which participants are senior wikipedians, or... well, actually, he doesn´t respect nobody! Discussing this way is very unpleasent. FkpCascais ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
You´re being funny with me? So, I lied? I was the one that said that I never want to see you again, remember? I harass you... I´ll just report you, and never wanna have contact with you, understand? FkpCascais ( talk) 16:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Once more a consensus was not reached about the title of the article and the discussion was archived without any proposal or further resolution. The point here is not to close the discussion after the deadline has passed. A 6th or even a 10th move request will be asked in the future. The administrator or any editor who archives the discussion should take this into account. - Sthenel ( talk) 14:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected it as misleading. But the whole thing is gonna come up again and again, and more fights will take place like those above. I think that mediation would be a good tool in this case. - Sthenel ( talk) 20:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus for move. Ucucha 18:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Red Star Belgrade →
FC Red Star Belgrade — Seeing how there is much opposition to move the page back to the Serbian name of Crvena Zvezda... the least that can be done is to at least correctly portray it in its english name. In particular, there are many Red Star Belgrade clubs in many different sports. Adding FC in front would differentiate this page from those.
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What the??? What is the next step? To turn KHK Crvena Zvezda into HC Red Star Belgrade, and so forth?? a-ya-yaiy... ( LAz17 ( talk) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)).
Dodat grafički prikaz moguće prve postave. Predlažem da je ne čačkamo svaki čas, s obzirom da je tim tek otišao na pripreme i da je prelazni rok u toku. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulian ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
We could put it there as well, but I'd like to keep it here, too. I know it's always biased because starting eleven is constantly changing, but this graphics should represent usual picks in those positions, as well as formation we're employing. I agree there are 5 foreign players in it now, but it's going to change during the transfer window, and it's still not clear whether "4 foreigners rule" is going to apply in 2011/2012 season at all (FC Red Star and FC Partizan want to keep things the way they were this season). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulian ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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OK, after partially cleaning up the youth sections of FK Partizan and FK Vojvodina (and there is still work with Vojvodina as it is unsourced and still with promotional tone), I have decided that here on Red Star there was so much work to do that it was not even worth having it for time being. To start with, the youth section I removed it was almost a copy/paste promotional tone from the one I partially, not to say entirely, cleaned up at FK Partizan article. Now, lets see what was wrong:
Red Star was never formed out of its youth players, and only ocassionally had a few players in the starting line-up coming from their youth sqaud.
Some may like it or not, but Red Star mostly brough good players from other teams, first in Yugoslavia, and now in Serbia and some parts of the region. And these clubs the players were brought from were not at all necessarilly "smaller clubs", but mostly quite the opposite, Red Star usually brings to their squad players from regional medium size clubs, not to mention that during Yugoslavia it was not rare to see the big two (CZ and FKP) bringing the best players from the other best Yugoslav clubs (Zeljeznicar, Vardar, Velez, Vojvodina, Rijeka, Osijek, etc.). Basically only Dinamo Zagreb and Hajduk Split had any chance of breaking this tendency and keeping their best players, and even so, numerous players from those two clubs were brought to both, Red Star and Partizan. So, "smaller Serbian clubs"? Leaves a totally wrong idea. Then, can we look at List of Red Star Belgrade footballers and can anyone tell me how many are from its own youth team? Can anyone number me 20 among all? And how many players are on the list? Houndreds, over 1.000 perhaps!
Now, why this exaggeration about the youth schools? What is wrong about bringing players from other clubs? Ah, is it because of the sudden propaganda in Serbia about the glorius "omladinski pogoni" which are going to save the bank accounts of local managers and convince the fans that is better not to buy real professional footballers, but bring instead a bunch of kinds from the school spending 0 euros? Certainly is. And now we have to present in an online encyclopedia a lie how that is the "club tradition" and happend allways? No.
Also, who added lists of players from which half of them were never even players of the youth schools of mentioned clubs? With what purpose? Sinisa Mihajlovic a Vojvodina school product? He was already a senior for 2 entire years before coming to Vojvodina, and he came straight to the senior squad. Well, at least he was not added at Red Star school as well... maybe Lazio could then claim he played in their youth school as well!
Now please, lets be serious. Lets separate what is trouth and what is imagination and current pure propaganda. During Yugoslavia, the biggest Serbian clubs almost allways brought their players from other the top league clubs to their teams, and the players which came from the youth team were basically rare, and even those were mostly brought there from somewhere else. And recently, yes, Partizan did relied on its youth school, but lets not exagerate. Only a hand full of players had really good careers and now because of them the entire subject of the youth academies is exagerated. Yes, because of Jovetic and Nastasic now Partizan academy is suddently a factory of Messi´s and Maradona´s, yes right... And now Red Star wants to copy the system as they don´t have money to buy real players, so they hope some new Vidic or Stankovic will come out of the kinder-garden such as happend with Nastasic in Partizan, but because of that now saying that that is a traditional way Red Star functioned? No. Talking about Partizan, even "Partizanove bebe" from the 1960s were many scouted and broguht from all over Yugoslavia.
Vojvodina as well got their school on feet only recently, and they can only basically say that Krasic was their big name from the recent past, but beside him, it is really the current players that we are mostly talking about when refering to their academy, and most of them are really still building their careers (Aleksic, Medojevic, Katai, etc.) hardly worth glorifiying the club school because of them...
And about Partizan being the second best school after Ajax? That is the joke of the century (and notece I am Partizan fan). I can count you right away at least 20 European clubs with much better academy results and that don´t even mention it in the article...
So, lets not exagerate, OK? And lets see the thing from the real perspective, as the entire histeria at the Serbian FA about football schools will only cost Serbian clubs to loose their professional perspective, and make them simple factories of (mostly mediocre) young players, so the Karadzic-friendly managers get new meat to sell. And also for the old racist chaps ruling Serbian football to convince that foreigners are bad, and that the "school" and "naša deca" is the way... And while club direction boards end up accepting this policy because of convenience (as I said, they convince the fans that is not worth spending money on real pro players when we have self-proclaimed Maradona´s in our schools who will cost us nothing and which we will sell soon and fullfill our pockets), that is not reason enough for us to write here on English Wikipedia unsourced essays about the glorious Serbian football schools... And then old school Serbian self-proclaimed journalists make essays about "Why our petit Maradona´s lost against clubs from Cyprus" not ever even trying to see the reality, but even further making wrong excuses and digging themselfs in further lies and further bullshit, but that is another story...
I made an effort at FK Partizan article to bring it to some sourced encyclopedic level. Now, either we have sourced untendentious texts, or then it is better to have nothing on the youth school subject. FkpCascais ( talk) 04:11, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
The name Crvena zvezda is the official name of the club, is registered under that name and its a trademark. Its basically a company name and those are usually written in its native language. Furthermore, the governing body of European football, the UEFA, clearly uses the name Crvena zvezda for this club (see: [5]). Regards, Ratipok ( talk) 14:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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The article about Red Star contains some inaccuracies:
Gojko Zec was only a coach in period 1976-1978. Branko Stankovic
/info/en/?search=Branko_Stankovi%C4%87 was the coach 1979-1982 who has brought Red Star to Uefa Cup Final in season 1978/79. During period of 1978-1982, Red Star also won Yugoslav Championship 2 times and 1 national cup. It was also a period of consistent participation in Uefa Cups with some classsic games agest Bayern Munchen in 1978/79, Inter Milan in 1980/81 (quaterfinal of Champions Cup) and Anderlecht in 1981/82 (quaterfinal of Champions Cup).
It is also worth mentioning that Read Star was in the semifinal of European Chmapions Cup 1956/57 losing on single goal by Firoentina scored in last minute.
Article also does not mention extremely successful 1970/71 when unfortunate defeat against Panathenaicos in smeifinal fo Europen Champions Cup prevented Red Star reaching final of the competition.
Also, in season 1974/75 Red Star beat Real madrid in quaterfinal of Cup Winners cup 1975/75 after penalties, which led to the semifinal game versus Ferenzvaros with highest ever official attendance on Red Star Marakana Stadioum (96,095 spectators). Tie was eventually lost with late penalty which prevented going into the extra-time. Mladence ( talk) 18:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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03:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)@ Nightfall87: why have you put Adam Mitchell back in the list of the first team? I know he has been signed by Red Star, but that is not the same as being in their first team. The team is listed on the Red Star website here and he is not on it. Do you have a reliable source that says he is? JohnCD ( talk) 14:56, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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OK gentleman, we have a problem here. We need to see how to correctly present this title. Right at start the issue becomes controversial. The Red Star managment wants to have recognised that title as national, but that is not possible. "National" would have meant Yugoslav, and that league was just one of seven qualificational leagues played that season in Yugoslavia. Since in 1945 many pre-WWII clubs were disbanded and new clubs were formed, there was a total break in continuity and qualificational tournaments had to be played in order to find the participants of the first por-WWII edition of national championship, the 1946–47 Yugoslav First League. So, the league Red Star won in 1945–46 was just a qualificational league to find participants for the national championship. Those qualifier tournaments were played by geographically formed leagues. However, this league Red Star played and won is not even SR Serbian league because the territory of SR Serbia included two of these seven leagues: Vojvodina one, and "Serbia" (meaning Central Serbia) one. So in order for Red Star to be "champion of SR Serbia" a final between Red Star and Vojvodina league champion should have been played. But it wasnt. And it wasnt because those leagues were not intended to find any champions, but just qualify teams for national championship.
So, having in mind all this, we can call it "title" because it was a league, but it was not a "national title" (regional at most) and was not even a SR Serbia republic title because included just Central Serbia. And what Red Star direction is totally ignoring is the historical context that back then no one considered that to be a championship of Serbia, and the winner, Serbian champion, but just a qualifiying tournament to see which clubs from Central Serbia would play at national level the following season. Red Star won. Congratulations. But lets not make up things now and rewrite history, we should describe that title as what it really was. FkpCascais ( talk) 21:18, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
The Croatian Football Federation recognized the title Hajduk from 1946 because Hajduk became the champion of the Republic of Croatia. Only the next season started the Yugoslav championship. Since Croatia is an independent and championship is called the Croatian championship, then all the titles of Croatian champions are counted. As for Spartak, he played the championship of Vojvodina and not Serbia. The championship of Serbia has won by Red Star. Since Serbia is an independent country today, all the titles of Serbian champions in football should be counted. Spartak can get a title if Vojvodina is once an independent state(God, forbid) in the future as the first champion of the Vojvodina of 1946. Red Star iz winner of Serbian championship 1946 and must get the title like Hajduk Split in Croatia as republic cahampions of Serbia and Croatia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar ( talk • contribs) 10:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
You're not right. The competition was the Republican Championship of Serbia. The Croat Football Federation recognized the title Hajduka Split, who then became the champion of Croatia and Red Star champion of Serbia. Today these countries are independent and the republican champions are official champions. So Hajduk was officially awarded the title and Red Star did not, how is that possible? "In the 1946 season (which was played in the spring), the first since the end of the Second World War, Hajduk won the National Championship of the Republic of Croatia and was placed in the newly established Federal League of Yugoslavia. By the decision of HNS this championship is recognized as the official Croatian championship. The team was led by Ljubomir Benčić". http://www.crvenazvezdafk.com/upload/Pdf/titula1946.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar ( talk • contribs) 18:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Greeting. What will we do with the trophies in the Super Cup Cup and the Summer League of Champions of FK Crvena Zvezda and Partizan and Vojvodina: "Crvena Zvezda twice triumphed in the Super Cup of Yugoslavia in 1969 when she beat Dinamo Cup Winner and two years later in 1971 when she beat Hajduk then the champion of the country. FK Red Star also won the League Cup in 1973 and the Summer League of Champions 1971 " http://www.strategija.org/red-star-roter-stern-stella-rossa-etoile-rouge-crvena-zvezda/ And here's the link to the Summer League champions: http://www.strategija.org/fudbalski-turniri-letnja-liga-sampiona/ And this is picture from "Tempo" magazine 1991.
Why is the placement among the 32 best teams in the Europa League is a greater success than the placement among the 16 teams in the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup? I think that if Zvezda biggest successes after 1992 are the group stage of the Champions League and the knockout phase among 32 teams in the Europa League, it must also be in the round of 16 of the Cup Winners' Cup 1996/97. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Welcome plauers: Omri Glazer, Zan Filip Kraso, Stefan Bukinac,Emanuel Late Lat,Luka Milivojevic. Tank you ❤️ 188.120.117.71 ( talk) 07:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that on " Red Star Belgrade - Record goal scorers | Transfermarkt" and on Top ten scorers of all-time on Red Star Belgrade wiki page have conflicting lists, for example Katai is 1st on Transfermarkt with 105 goals, whereas he is 9th on the Wiki list with 106 goals, first place on Wiki is Bora Kostić with 230 goals, whereas on Transfermarkt he only has 27 goals and is 13th. Why is that? CallOfPavle ( talk) 12:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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I propose that the stars in the logo get removed. Is this okay? ( LAz17 ( talk) 23:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)).
To be more precise it´s one European and one Intercontinental, but anyway, thanx a lot Theirrulez, and the link about the Star (football crest) was very usefull here :) FkpCascais ( talk) 18:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome, I'm a football lover too. ;) Theirrulez ( talk) 18:10, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Each star means that the club won 10 tittles in the domestic competition. The stars are a part of the logo. The thing about this logo is that it is not the official one, this logo is the old logo that in the last 4 years the marketing department is trying to promote. It will be officially adopted in the next GA. The actual logo (u can find it on the UEFA site) was incorporated more than 10 years ago. The rumors were that there was pressure to put blue color in the logo so it can remind people of the Serbian flag (red blue white). One more thing, from this season the official 2nd jersey is blue. I dont know how to change things here, I am just trying to help you.
As FkpCascais has mentioned, the name Crvena zvezda is pretty hard to pronounce for the people not coming from the former Yugoslavia. That's when I've noticed we don't have IPA pronunciation here, and it would be very useful. I believe it should be something like [tsrvænʌ zvæzdʌ], but, unfortunately, I am not sure if I am right, and I don't want to write something I am not sure of. Is there anyone willing to put up a correct IPA pronunciation of the Serbian name here?-- Vitriden ( talk) 22:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
How can I help?
As can be seen, Real Madrid is not the english name. Hence, we need it to be english, not spanish, at least that is what certain people say here. Hence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Real_Madrid_C.F.#Requested_move_2 is available for you to try to ruin that page too. Cheers. ( LAz17 ( talk) 03:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)).
Can someone please give a warning to Laz about the kind of language and attitude he has been having here. He already said profanities on my talk page, and now he does it here with all people that disagrees with him. He has been disruptive and doesn´t even bother to check which participants are senior wikipedians, or... well, actually, he doesn´t respect nobody! Discussing this way is very unpleasent. FkpCascais ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
You´re being funny with me? So, I lied? I was the one that said that I never want to see you again, remember? I harass you... I´ll just report you, and never wanna have contact with you, understand? FkpCascais ( talk) 16:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Once more a consensus was not reached about the title of the article and the discussion was archived without any proposal or further resolution. The point here is not to close the discussion after the deadline has passed. A 6th or even a 10th move request will be asked in the future. The administrator or any editor who archives the discussion should take this into account. - Sthenel ( talk) 14:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected it as misleading. But the whole thing is gonna come up again and again, and more fights will take place like those above. I think that mediation would be a good tool in this case. - Sthenel ( talk) 20:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus for move. Ucucha 18:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Red Star Belgrade →
FC Red Star Belgrade — Seeing how there is much opposition to move the page back to the Serbian name of Crvena Zvezda... the least that can be done is to at least correctly portray it in its english name. In particular, there are many Red Star Belgrade clubs in many different sports. Adding FC in front would differentiate this page from those.
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What the??? What is the next step? To turn KHK Crvena Zvezda into HC Red Star Belgrade, and so forth?? a-ya-yaiy... ( LAz17 ( talk) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)).
Dodat grafički prikaz moguće prve postave. Predlažem da je ne čačkamo svaki čas, s obzirom da je tim tek otišao na pripreme i da je prelazni rok u toku. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulian ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
We could put it there as well, but I'd like to keep it here, too. I know it's always biased because starting eleven is constantly changing, but this graphics should represent usual picks in those positions, as well as formation we're employing. I agree there are 5 foreign players in it now, but it's going to change during the transfer window, and it's still not clear whether "4 foreigners rule" is going to apply in 2011/2012 season at all (FC Red Star and FC Partizan want to keep things the way they were this season). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulian ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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OK, after partially cleaning up the youth sections of FK Partizan and FK Vojvodina (and there is still work with Vojvodina as it is unsourced and still with promotional tone), I have decided that here on Red Star there was so much work to do that it was not even worth having it for time being. To start with, the youth section I removed it was almost a copy/paste promotional tone from the one I partially, not to say entirely, cleaned up at FK Partizan article. Now, lets see what was wrong:
Red Star was never formed out of its youth players, and only ocassionally had a few players in the starting line-up coming from their youth sqaud.
Some may like it or not, but Red Star mostly brough good players from other teams, first in Yugoslavia, and now in Serbia and some parts of the region. And these clubs the players were brought from were not at all necessarilly "smaller clubs", but mostly quite the opposite, Red Star usually brings to their squad players from regional medium size clubs, not to mention that during Yugoslavia it was not rare to see the big two (CZ and FKP) bringing the best players from the other best Yugoslav clubs (Zeljeznicar, Vardar, Velez, Vojvodina, Rijeka, Osijek, etc.). Basically only Dinamo Zagreb and Hajduk Split had any chance of breaking this tendency and keeping their best players, and even so, numerous players from those two clubs were brought to both, Red Star and Partizan. So, "smaller Serbian clubs"? Leaves a totally wrong idea. Then, can we look at List of Red Star Belgrade footballers and can anyone tell me how many are from its own youth team? Can anyone number me 20 among all? And how many players are on the list? Houndreds, over 1.000 perhaps!
Now, why this exaggeration about the youth schools? What is wrong about bringing players from other clubs? Ah, is it because of the sudden propaganda in Serbia about the glorius "omladinski pogoni" which are going to save the bank accounts of local managers and convince the fans that is better not to buy real professional footballers, but bring instead a bunch of kinds from the school spending 0 euros? Certainly is. And now we have to present in an online encyclopedia a lie how that is the "club tradition" and happend allways? No.
Also, who added lists of players from which half of them were never even players of the youth schools of mentioned clubs? With what purpose? Sinisa Mihajlovic a Vojvodina school product? He was already a senior for 2 entire years before coming to Vojvodina, and he came straight to the senior squad. Well, at least he was not added at Red Star school as well... maybe Lazio could then claim he played in their youth school as well!
Now please, lets be serious. Lets separate what is trouth and what is imagination and current pure propaganda. During Yugoslavia, the biggest Serbian clubs almost allways brought their players from other the top league clubs to their teams, and the players which came from the youth team were basically rare, and even those were mostly brought there from somewhere else. And recently, yes, Partizan did relied on its youth school, but lets not exagerate. Only a hand full of players had really good careers and now because of them the entire subject of the youth academies is exagerated. Yes, because of Jovetic and Nastasic now Partizan academy is suddently a factory of Messi´s and Maradona´s, yes right... And now Red Star wants to copy the system as they don´t have money to buy real players, so they hope some new Vidic or Stankovic will come out of the kinder-garden such as happend with Nastasic in Partizan, but because of that now saying that that is a traditional way Red Star functioned? No. Talking about Partizan, even "Partizanove bebe" from the 1960s were many scouted and broguht from all over Yugoslavia.
Vojvodina as well got their school on feet only recently, and they can only basically say that Krasic was their big name from the recent past, but beside him, it is really the current players that we are mostly talking about when refering to their academy, and most of them are really still building their careers (Aleksic, Medojevic, Katai, etc.) hardly worth glorifiying the club school because of them...
And about Partizan being the second best school after Ajax? That is the joke of the century (and notece I am Partizan fan). I can count you right away at least 20 European clubs with much better academy results and that don´t even mention it in the article...
So, lets not exagerate, OK? And lets see the thing from the real perspective, as the entire histeria at the Serbian FA about football schools will only cost Serbian clubs to loose their professional perspective, and make them simple factories of (mostly mediocre) young players, so the Karadzic-friendly managers get new meat to sell. And also for the old racist chaps ruling Serbian football to convince that foreigners are bad, and that the "school" and "naša deca" is the way... And while club direction boards end up accepting this policy because of convenience (as I said, they convince the fans that is not worth spending money on real pro players when we have self-proclaimed Maradona´s in our schools who will cost us nothing and which we will sell soon and fullfill our pockets), that is not reason enough for us to write here on English Wikipedia unsourced essays about the glorious Serbian football schools... And then old school Serbian self-proclaimed journalists make essays about "Why our petit Maradona´s lost against clubs from Cyprus" not ever even trying to see the reality, but even further making wrong excuses and digging themselfs in further lies and further bullshit, but that is another story...
I made an effort at FK Partizan article to bring it to some sourced encyclopedic level. Now, either we have sourced untendentious texts, or then it is better to have nothing on the youth school subject. FkpCascais ( talk) 04:11, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
The name Crvena zvezda is the official name of the club, is registered under that name and its a trademark. Its basically a company name and those are usually written in its native language. Furthermore, the governing body of European football, the UEFA, clearly uses the name Crvena zvezda for this club (see: [5]). Regards, Ratipok ( talk) 14:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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The article about Red Star contains some inaccuracies:
Gojko Zec was only a coach in period 1976-1978. Branko Stankovic
/info/en/?search=Branko_Stankovi%C4%87 was the coach 1979-1982 who has brought Red Star to Uefa Cup Final in season 1978/79. During period of 1978-1982, Red Star also won Yugoslav Championship 2 times and 1 national cup. It was also a period of consistent participation in Uefa Cups with some classsic games agest Bayern Munchen in 1978/79, Inter Milan in 1980/81 (quaterfinal of Champions Cup) and Anderlecht in 1981/82 (quaterfinal of Champions Cup).
It is also worth mentioning that Read Star was in the semifinal of European Chmapions Cup 1956/57 losing on single goal by Firoentina scored in last minute.
Article also does not mention extremely successful 1970/71 when unfortunate defeat against Panathenaicos in smeifinal fo Europen Champions Cup prevented Red Star reaching final of the competition.
Also, in season 1974/75 Red Star beat Real madrid in quaterfinal of Cup Winners cup 1975/75 after penalties, which led to the semifinal game versus Ferenzvaros with highest ever official attendance on Red Star Marakana Stadioum (96,095 spectators). Tie was eventually lost with late penalty which prevented going into the extra-time. Mladence ( talk) 18:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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OK gentleman, we have a problem here. We need to see how to correctly present this title. Right at start the issue becomes controversial. The Red Star managment wants to have recognised that title as national, but that is not possible. "National" would have meant Yugoslav, and that league was just one of seven qualificational leagues played that season in Yugoslavia. Since in 1945 many pre-WWII clubs were disbanded and new clubs were formed, there was a total break in continuity and qualificational tournaments had to be played in order to find the participants of the first por-WWII edition of national championship, the 1946–47 Yugoslav First League. So, the league Red Star won in 1945–46 was just a qualificational league to find participants for the national championship. Those qualifier tournaments were played by geographically formed leagues. However, this league Red Star played and won is not even SR Serbian league because the territory of SR Serbia included two of these seven leagues: Vojvodina one, and "Serbia" (meaning Central Serbia) one. So in order for Red Star to be "champion of SR Serbia" a final between Red Star and Vojvodina league champion should have been played. But it wasnt. And it wasnt because those leagues were not intended to find any champions, but just qualify teams for national championship.
So, having in mind all this, we can call it "title" because it was a league, but it was not a "national title" (regional at most) and was not even a SR Serbia republic title because included just Central Serbia. And what Red Star direction is totally ignoring is the historical context that back then no one considered that to be a championship of Serbia, and the winner, Serbian champion, but just a qualifiying tournament to see which clubs from Central Serbia would play at national level the following season. Red Star won. Congratulations. But lets not make up things now and rewrite history, we should describe that title as what it really was. FkpCascais ( talk) 21:18, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
The Croatian Football Federation recognized the title Hajduk from 1946 because Hajduk became the champion of the Republic of Croatia. Only the next season started the Yugoslav championship. Since Croatia is an independent and championship is called the Croatian championship, then all the titles of Croatian champions are counted. As for Spartak, he played the championship of Vojvodina and not Serbia. The championship of Serbia has won by Red Star. Since Serbia is an independent country today, all the titles of Serbian champions in football should be counted. Spartak can get a title if Vojvodina is once an independent state(God, forbid) in the future as the first champion of the Vojvodina of 1946. Red Star iz winner of Serbian championship 1946 and must get the title like Hajduk Split in Croatia as republic cahampions of Serbia and Croatia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar ( talk • contribs) 10:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
You're not right. The competition was the Republican Championship of Serbia. The Croat Football Federation recognized the title Hajduka Split, who then became the champion of Croatia and Red Star champion of Serbia. Today these countries are independent and the republican champions are official champions. So Hajduk was officially awarded the title and Red Star did not, how is that possible? "In the 1946 season (which was played in the spring), the first since the end of the Second World War, Hajduk won the National Championship of the Republic of Croatia and was placed in the newly established Federal League of Yugoslavia. By the decision of HNS this championship is recognized as the official Croatian championship. The team was led by Ljubomir Benčić". http://www.crvenazvezdafk.com/upload/Pdf/titula1946.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar ( talk • contribs) 18:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Greeting. What will we do with the trophies in the Super Cup Cup and the Summer League of Champions of FK Crvena Zvezda and Partizan and Vojvodina: "Crvena Zvezda twice triumphed in the Super Cup of Yugoslavia in 1969 when she beat Dinamo Cup Winner and two years later in 1971 when she beat Hajduk then the champion of the country. FK Red Star also won the League Cup in 1973 and the Summer League of Champions 1971 " http://www.strategija.org/red-star-roter-stern-stella-rossa-etoile-rouge-crvena-zvezda/ And here's the link to the Summer League champions: http://www.strategija.org/fudbalski-turniri-letnja-liga-sampiona/ And this is picture from "Tempo" magazine 1991.
Why is the placement among the 32 best teams in the Europa League is a greater success than the placement among the 16 teams in the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup? I think that if Zvezda biggest successes after 1992 are the group stage of the Champions League and the knockout phase among 32 teams in the Europa League, it must also be in the round of 16 of the Cup Winners' Cup 1996/97. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VucoCar ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Welcome plauers: Omri Glazer, Zan Filip Kraso, Stefan Bukinac,Emanuel Late Lat,Luka Milivojevic. Tank you ❤️ 188.120.117.71 ( talk) 07:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that on " Red Star Belgrade - Record goal scorers | Transfermarkt" and on Top ten scorers of all-time on Red Star Belgrade wiki page have conflicting lists, for example Katai is 1st on Transfermarkt with 105 goals, whereas he is 9th on the Wiki list with 106 goals, first place on Wiki is Bora Kostić with 230 goals, whereas on Transfermarkt he only has 27 goals and is 13th. Why is that? CallOfPavle ( talk) 12:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)