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dogman15 02:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Earlier versions of this article have suggested that Red resembles an American LaFrance, but close comparisons with American LaFrance photos from that general era (as well as before and after, ALF Series 700, 800 and 900) shows only a passing general similarity in that many North American fire apparatus from that time have a relatively flat front, round headlights and a siren in the middle. However, a comparison with photos of a 1960s-era cabover Pirsch reveals his true design source. Pirsch had the center siren just under the windshield well above the headlights (most American LaFrance models mounted the siren on the driver's side of the front bumper), had single red flashers on the sides just under the windshield (American LaFrance placed them on the roof corners or had them integrated with turn signals above the headlights), and a "lip" around the roof of the cab (American LaFrance roofs are rounded off smooth). When I turn up a good picture of a Pirsch again for independent verification, I will post a link to it here. Fjbfour 14:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC) reply

• The best photo I could find after a short search (made more difficult by the severe number of sites filtered by my employer) is here, though this model did not have the roof lip: http://www.massmetrofire.org/images/BrooklineE3Pirsch.jpg Fjbfour 16:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC) reply